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BTHound
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get out now
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10/30/2006 7:25:13 PM
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I was just watching the network news and there was a story on the death toll in Iraq going over 100 for the month of October.
I've always tended to be conservative and vote Republican nearly all the time, but I think it's time we just got the hell out of Iraq. We are putting a lot of good young men and women in harm's way for no earthly good reason.
I'm sick of seeing Bush on tv, getting defensive when people question our presence in Iraq. I was one of those who said yeah we ought to fight them there rather than here, but in recent days I've started to change my thinking. We are in another Viet Nam and God knows how many more have to die before we come to our senses and get out.
I think we should make every effort to round up Bin Laden but he is supposedly in Afghanistan, not Iraq.
I don't recall ever getting up on a soap box like this, but I just think we need to bring them all home. Just my two cents worth.
BTH
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JIM
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get out now
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10/30/2006 7:43:46 PM
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You just figured that out? D`AM that was quoted a long time ago on this board.
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I Will Have Another ---
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10/30/2006 8:06:48 PM
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glass of kool-aid.
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PC Al
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Here we go............
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10/30/2006 8:53:48 PM
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Now I'm just waiting for Laker to jump your rear end. But, count me on your side.
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PartTimer
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get out now
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10/30/2006 10:16:50 PM
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We should never have invaded Iraq. Bin Laden was in Afghanistan when we went into Iraq. The Iraq War has interfered with the War On Terror, which included getting Bin Laden. Iraq was NOT a part of 9-11. Iraq was no threat to the U.S. at all. The Iraq War will go down in history as one of the dumbest decisions this country ever made--by one of the dumbest presidents we ever had! No wonder the polls have him in the 30% range in popularity, and the Iraq War is opposed by two-thirds of all Americans. There is a saying that doing the same thing and expecting a different result is one symptom of insanity! Well, "staying the course" is exactly that! YES, we need to get our brave soldiers out ot there ASAP!
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ChrisCraft
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get out now
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10/31/2006 2:24:48 AM
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It's so comforting to be in the midst of such great all-knowing minds on this forum! I feel so safe knowing the people here know what must(needs) to be done better than a President! Gosh! I am in awe! I am not worthy to post on here and you great ones have allowed us all to do so for such a long time! Tell me....do you get paid more than President Bush and his military staff or do you just have access to the money printers? Or...the combination to Fort Knox? Does Marilyn sing at your birthday too?
I bet your mode of transport makes Air Force 1 look like a Cessna! I'd love to hear your opinions on all other conflicts going back hundreds of years....if we'd had your great wisdom back then...who knows where we'd be now!
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Lakeman
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get out now
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10/31/2006 4:51:36 AM
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We now have an " all volunteer " armed service. This is what you " kool-aid " drinkers wanted. They know what the risks and rules are when they hire on, better than all of you. I'm not saying you are all wrong with what you are saying but you are certainly not all informed either. It won't be long before we all will be suffering from car bombs and body bombs in our own streets because the kool-aid drinkers are soon to take over. I remember 9/11 and I witnessed it " LIVE " on television. We will get nuked in most of this board members lifetime. It is better to watch it happen over there where the dictator killed 300,000 of his own people, practicing for us for later than to have it happening over here. Once it starts here it will be too late to change. Most of the kids being raised now will not even have guts enough to volunteer to fight to save us. To those kids over there it's a way of life.
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weagle89
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get out now
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10/31/2006 4:51:46 AM
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They were just expressing an opinion that I once did not share....however, I now share their opinion. I will never hold it against a soldier for being there fighting for his/her country , but for their sakes I would like it to be over....too many lives are being destroyed and for what??? I simply do not know.
Instead of your sarcasm/cynicism, explain why you think we should be there.
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jrh3
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get out now
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10/31/2006 7:01:28 AM
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nobody needs to worry.. hillary is going to save the day
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LifeTime Laker
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get out now
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10/31/2006 8:06:04 AM
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We have to be there to prevent them from being here. We also have to show the world that insane dictators can not threaten thier neighbors, invade other countries, export terror, attempt assinations of our leaders, shoot our 'peacekeepers' etc, etc., and have no consequences. Iraq was in violation of how many UN resolutions? How many of our planes did they shoot at each month? How many folks disspeared each month for speaking against Saddam?
Do you guys even remember 9/11? And don't even try to parrott the mantra that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11? Al Queda is a terror network that has tennacles running throughtout the entire region. STill Does!!!! The evidence is clear if you get your news somewhere besides network newscasts.
We are there to show the world that you don't mess with the USA and walk away anymore. We will retaliate!! We will send the best this country has to offer to hunt you down and kill you.
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rude evin
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get out now
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10/31/2006 8:34:23 AM
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Reply to BTHOUND......since you're are not running for anything or defending a policy, it's not for me to question your statement of earlier support for the war on terror....nor do I feel the need to try and convince you of what I think we should understand what the US is doing on the world stage. In fact sir, you should not feel too lonesome being against this war, I'm sure there have been millions before you who have had similiar feelings about conflicts that they did not appreciate nor understand.....why even the Republicans were vehemently against the US entry into WWII when the freedom of the entire free world was at stake.......sad to say it was all politics and the desire to gain power.
However....when I read your post, one passage came to mind that just would not go away......admitting the context is not appropriate but it did help me understand.......Isiah 44:18 "They do not understand; For he has shut their eyes, so they cannot see, and their hearts, so that they cannot understand."
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lamont
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get out now
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10/31/2006 9:18:39 AM
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I can certainly understand wanting to get out however, for those who do, when and where do you want to fight this war cause it is not going away. Almost every conflict for the past 30 years has been Muslim related. They have 1 goal and that is to eliminate everyone that is not a Muslim. So, the fact that I am no military strategist, precludes me from having an opinion on how to proceed with this type of war, I suppose I'll just leave it up to the president and his advisors.
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PC Al
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Out of Iraq, Not the region
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10/31/2006 11:14:56 AM
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I would like for someone to explain why winning a war in Iraq keeps terrorist from coming over here. No one from Iraq was involved in 9-11. Even Bush and Cheney admit to that. Why would terrorist want to train in Iraq when they can do so in Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea or many more Muslim countries. You can bet they are training right now to hit this country, but the training to hit America is not done in Iraq. They are in Iraq because we have now given them a good chance to kill Americans with ease. We have given them a recruiting bonanza. How many remember the same bullsh*t in Viet Nam that we fight them over there or Communist would be flooding across our borders. Funny thing that we pulled out, without winning by the way, and for some strange reason, Communism did not take over America. Did I mention that Bin Laden is not in Iraq. And as 37 year Marine General John Murtha is saying, “We can control that region without occupying Iraq.” We can stay in the region, but occupying Iraq only benefits the Halliburtons of the world.
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lamont
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Out of Iraq, Not the region
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10/31/2006 11:21:12 AM
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I guess I'm looking more at the big picture. Given Islam's ultimate mantra, how would you combat it? I don't have the answer, that's why I'm asking. Do we aggressively confront it or let it run rampant as it has the last couple of decades and let our grandchildren worry about it.
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PC Al
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We agree on that point
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10/31/2006 11:34:42 AM
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I don’t have the answer either. But I do believe we aggressively confront it, as we have, but occupying Iraq would not be part of my plan. Again, as John Murtha is suggesting, just pull back from our position of giving the terrorist a theatre to show the world how they can battle us on even terms. We can’t pull out of the region, but I don’t see how our soldiers can ever be safe walking the streets of Baghdad when they don’t know who the enemy is.
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jawjagal
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Better intelligence
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10/31/2006 11:46:40 AM
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Why can't our defense be a good offense?
Why can't we stealthly get rid of the trouble makers?
I just think the US is seen as a bully. We have to solve the world from itself. Why are WE the world police...I mean outwardly? Sure, everyone will KNOW the US "took out" some big namer, but who could actually prove it?
How do we get more intelligent information to carry out the plan with a few instead of so many?
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jawjagal
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Better intelligence
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10/31/2006 11:47:40 AM
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Maybe I have been watching too many undercover/ action movies.
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truthseeker
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get out now
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10/31/2006 11:58:50 AM
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I have been following this forum since buying my lake place 4 years ago but have not written in. Can't let this one go - just too important. I believe next week's election is one of the most critical we have had in many years, if not ever. I also believe no one on this forum favors war and all are very concerned about the safety of our finest and bravest. I'm certain if we could have our way, we would all get out Iraq as well as Afghanistan. But the job is not done yet and won't be until these two countries can stand on their own. If you don't believe Bush, believe the President of Iran, Bin Laden, and other wackos like them who intend to make Iraq the Babylon a la Nebuchadnezzar i.e. the center of the Islamic extremist world. From Bagdad, they intend to unite the "Arab World" and take the western world out. How do you negotiate with evil like this? You can't - you defeat it. Don't let the mainstream media win you over with their constant B.S. and defeatist position. Their agenda is to get the Dems back into power - whatever it takes. Granted, the Republicans have a far from perfect record these past few years but they really are the only game in town this time around. Pulling out of Iraq now would lead to disaster, their tax hikes will take down our economy, their judges will detract from the progress made in the courts, etc. And how could anyone in their right mind support Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House and 3rd in line for the Presidency? BTW, I sincerely hate it that over 100 of our guys were killed in Iraq this month but do you know that about 1225 people are killed in the USA each month? Guess we should pull out of here, too?
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Feb
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Our Grandchildren
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10/31/2006 12:17:42 PM
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Excellent Point. Who is going to suffer from the ever staggering National Debt? Who is going to have a Hollow Military because we have burnt it all up in Iraq without replacing the equipment? Who is going to find it hard to have a volunteer miliary to include the National Guard and Reserve Forces because of three and most likely even more trip into combat zones and away from family?
No raising of taxes. Is the politics or fighting a war? No draft. Is this politics or is this fighting a war?
Ask your local recruitiers about meeting volunteer quotas? Would you encourage your Son/Daughter or Grandson/Granddaughter to volunteer for the military in this day in time?
Ask anyone (on the side) who works for any of the Materiel Commands in the Army, Navy or Air Force if their budgets are not being cut to support the War in Iraq while the equipment is being used up. Research and Development dollars are even being pulled that provides our Grandchildren with future warfighting capabilities. How old is M-1 Tank, the Bradley Fighting Vehicle and the Humvee? How old is the M-16? The Humvee was not supposed to be an armored vehicle. It was a replacement for the jeep. How old is the two and a half ton truck? I personally bought some of the most advanced electroncs equipment the Army is using today well over 20 years ago. How old is your car in your driveway?
We want even get into how well the Veterans Administration is equiped to help our Brave ones.
I will respect the right of any of you to have opposing views since I fought for you to have that right along with my rights to my view. Many of you have also fought for me and others to have opposing views.
I will not get into a lot of politics. I will only ask for you who support the current course and administration to wait a few years until this administration is out of office for your final evaluation. I personally believe there is much hidden that will be revealed when they are no longer in power and history is written. This is my honest personal opinion, and I am basing my beliefs upon it. History may prove me wrong.
If we are going to fight the war, then lets go to it with troop, money and equipment to win and to Hell with politics. Lets not just stay the course, lets move out and move ahead. I am sick and tired of the President telling the American People that "WE MUST UNDERSTAND". I think we understand well enough.
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BTHound
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get out now
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10/31/2006 12:48:38 PM
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I know that everyone has strong feelings on this subject. I have to admit that mine is colored somewhat by the fact that my oldest son is 20 years old and boys his age are dying in Iraq. We always send our kids to fight wars. Wonder what would be happening if the Bush twins were required to be in Iraq for duty??
What is it that we are accomplishing by our presence, other than to provide targets for the enemy.
I agree with Feb that this is a political war, just like Viet Nam. If its not, then declare an objective, use whatever means to accomplish it, and then get out.
To rude evin: Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but I'm not sure what you are saying in your reference in citing Isaiah other than if I don't share your view, then God has shut my eyes and heart. Explain that one. If that is the way your God is, thank heavens I serve a different one.
I for one do not like most Democrats and their philosophies, but I wish that there were other options in this election beside the 2 parties we have to choose from. I wish Zell Miller or someone like him were president. We need someone with less arrogance and more common sense.
Just my 2 cents worth...
BTH
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Pier Pressure
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get out now
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10/31/2006 2:01:25 PM
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URL: Graduation Speech
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LifeTime Laker
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The communists are trying....
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10/31/2006 2:07:42 PM
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.... to take over. only they use a different name. We now call them DEMOCRATS!!
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Harborcon
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The communists are trying....
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10/31/2006 3:20:38 PM
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Now Laker, that's just mean!
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Harborcon
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get out now
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10/31/2006 3:22:51 PM
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Yeah, but at least when someone is killed in this country, there is at least a hope and a prayer of apprehending the individual pulling the trigger/wielding the knife, etc., and bringing them to justice.
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Harborcon
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get out now
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10/31/2006 3:27:18 PM
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Isiah 44:18 "They do not understand; For he has shut their eyes, so they cannot see, and their hearts, so that they cannot understand."
Interesting thing about the written word. With no voice inflection, the message can be construed in many ways. For instance, I took Rude Evan's Biblical quote to mean that Bush has pulled the wool over his supporters' eyes, so they can't see that their emperor is wearing no clothes; and has shut their hearts to the daily loss of our sons and daughters, husbands and wives, occurring daily in Iraq.
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FLee
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get out now
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10/31/2006 3:55:36 PM
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Actually, I remember hearing somewhere that the % rate of bringing the murderers in Iraq to justice is much higher there than in the US based on two key facts: 1) a very strong, concerted and immediate effort is made by US, Brittish and Iraqi troops when their own is attacked and 2) many are suicide terrorists!
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Harborcon
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get out now
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10/31/2006 5:46:14 PM
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I believe you are confusing justice with vengance. When I say justice, I mean due process - arrest, trial (by a jury of one's peers), verdict, sentence. A "strong, concerted and immediate effort" cuts due process kind of short, I think. And the suicide terrorists would seem to be self-justic-ing (not a word, but you understand). Maybe war negates justice for all participants. Perhaps there are only victors and vanquished. I hate war. I hate that Americans who had no quarrel with Iraqis are losing their lives and, of necessity, I suppose, killing innocent Iraqis who had no quarrel with us, but who are now just in the way of the bullets. And why? Sure Saddam was a nasty man. But so is the leader of North Korea - and he actually detonated a nuclear weapon. And he is equally, if not more so, an evil dictator...why didn't we go after him? He's been in power for a long, long time, and his people are starving. But he does have a million soldiers guarding his borders. I wish I could believe that our government is waging this war to protect our freedom or our liberty or something. But I believe it's politics. And as an earlier post said, it is ridiculous to the sublime to continue to take the same action ("stay the course") but expect different results.
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JIM
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get out now
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10/31/2006 6:54:18 PM
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I think I`am gonna put my pecker out the window and screw the world. Majoretts and all that gets in the way.
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TUB
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truthseeker gets my vote
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10/31/2006 9:41:58 PM
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Sad we have to fight cowards over seas and at home.Coward democrat what the hell's differance.
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Feb
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truthseeker gets my vote
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10/31/2006 10:17:35 PM
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Your local Armed Services Recruiter will be happy to meet with you.
There are plenty of us on the Forum who have fought and sure as Hell don't like being called a coward.
If you and others think calling someone a coward based upon their political party is correct and American, then I am debating with a bunch of Un-American horse's A$$es.
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TUB
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truthseeker gets my vote
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10/31/2006 11:15:12 PM
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Feb,I did'nt call any servicemen or woman cowards.But democrats who don't want to fight terrorist any where who would rather tuck tail and run might just be cowards.Muslim extremists do not care to live in peace or talk about it they just want us dead.Also the democrat logo ,mascot or whatever is a donkey who is the a$$ ?
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LifeTime Laker
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You just defined the problem,
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11/1/2006 7:30:35 AM
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Democrats and republican apeasers want to handle this war as a law enforcement issue. IT IS NOT!!!!!! It is WAR!!! There is a big difference folks.
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BigFoot
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get out now
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11/1/2006 12:00:33 PM
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...better watch out for the endangered red-cockaded variety..talk about drawing back a nub............
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Tallyman
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truthseeker gets my vote
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11/1/2006 1:02:13 PM
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I fought in the Marine infantry in one stupid war where there was no plan. It was called Viet Nam. Now we have another where there is no plan. It is called Iraq. It is time to call it quits in Iraq. Let's let those halfwits devote themselves exclusively to killing one another.
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truthseeker
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truthseeker gets my vote
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11/1/2006 3:22:51 PM
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Tallyman,
First of all - thank you for your military service. God bless you for that.
And I agree Viet Nam was an American low point. The way I see it, there is a huge difference between Nam and Iraq. This is a different kind of enemy. When we left Nam, the enemy stayed behind. If we leave Iraq, the enemy will follow after strengthing like we have never before experienced. From what is reported, our military men and women are re-enlisting at very high rates. I find it hard to believe that this would happen if they did not believe in the cause, if they did not believe that this is winnable, if they did not believe that there is a plan in place. I also believe that should we cut and run, our word, our level of commitment, our ability to see difficult things through, will be questionable for a very long time.
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Luvtohunt
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get out now
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11/1/2006 4:29:48 PM
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Thank you Life time laker. You saved me a lot of typing!!
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Luvtohunt
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get out now
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11/1/2006 4:32:36 PM
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So you honestly think that kind of Cave man, Hitler crap is going to happen over here. You actually think the citizens of the United States of America are gonna let that kind of stuff happen. IMO I think you have fell and bumped your head.
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Osms
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Due Process???
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11/1/2006 5:31:42 PM
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Osms
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Sorry wrong button...
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11/1/2006 5:55:55 PM
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Your post is very telling and is the feeling of many people confused on the commitment required for a nation to be at war. No one in their right mind likes war, but as Laker said war is not a police action. I have posted earlier that I the America is a 90 day society -- That is win it in 90 days or we move on to something else. You just read Woodward's book, I believe, that is a 90 day book--after the elections no one will care what the book said because Woodward wrote it (and introduced it) to help the Democrats as much as possible in the 3 months before the election.
War is about killing the enemy before he kills you - it's not about discussing alternatives (that's politics) -- it's about killing and occupying the enemy's territory - like we did during WW II. Unfortunately, well meaning, intelligent people, like you, have been duped into thinking war is something else. War is not nice, civilians are killed, not intentionally, but the enemy sometimes puts civilians in the way because they know how to manipulate our media and liberal thinkers. No country in the history of mankind has gone to such great lengths to protect civilians --
perhaps too greater lengths because we lose our soldiers in many cases to protect others when we shouldn't.
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