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rude evin
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Rude Dude / Martian Man cont..
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1/11/2010 11:14:25 AM
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GF I'm not surprised you would like to move on and change the subject, but not so fast... especially since you are the red meat guy when Republican mis-steps are concerned........but it does make one smile when the D's are making pretzels of themselves over easily comparable incidences which also stand to show what the white Dem leadership really thinks about their largest political constituency...........So, I stand here as a friend of the court when I say I think this issue with Reid and Trent is/was silly after the apology is made......whether the offended group accepts an apology really speaks to the offended party and not to the offender..........However, as a friend of the court (DEMS) I'm really concerned that our majority leader has condemned the vast majority of the Congressional Black Caucus because they would likely be more black and speak with a more "Negro dialect" than his preferred light and articulate BHO. When the CBC picks up on this, I suspect ol Harry is gonna have to cut some more deals!
Enough of that, now what most people have missed here, and what in MHO is more critical, is what the top Dem political leaders (in unguarded moments) actually think of the qualifications that BHO had to be POTUS............"Your're only supporting him (BHO) because he is black", "he (BHO)would have been getting us coffee not long ago"...Pez Bill Clinton to Sen Kennedy.........I think he can be elected because he is "light skinned, articulate and with no Negro dialect" Reid Majority Leader.......not from Repubs, but a past POTUS and the Dem Majority leader..........I say to you GF and your band of apologist, what are Americans to think about our prez against these d@mning comments from Dem leaders??
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GoneFishin
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Rude Dude / Martian Man cont..
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1/11/2010 1:00:27 PM
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What Reid, Kennedy, and Clinton said is the truth. No black who speaks ebonics or kills the syntax could be elected President. Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan made millions off endorsements and speak proper english when interviewed. Do you think Steele would be National Chair of the Wing Nuts if he spoke with a "Negro dialect"?
Bill Cosby has said the same repeatedly about blacks...
Now compare the two:
Reid told them he encouraged Obama to run for president in part because he is, "light-skinned” and has “no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.
"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either."
Anyone who says the two statements are comparable is being intellectually dishonest.
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MartiniMan
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1/11/2010 2:07:39 PM
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I agree, it would be intellectually dishonest to believe that what Reid said was much worse because he is actually explaining why racist Democrats wouldn't vote for the Rev's Jesse and Al because they are too dark and speak with a "Negro" dialect. It is apparently true for Democrats but you have no idea if it is true for Republicans. You just presume its true although I can tell you many of my favorite black conservatives in fact are dark skinned and speak with a distinctly black vernacular (i.e., Herman Cain, Walter Williams, etc.). You see, it is Dems that can't see beyond the color of a person's skin, Harry said it and you agreed with him. Explains much that we suspected about Archie......
GF, you crack me up if you think these are substantially different because you don't have any idea about whether Lott was talking about segregation or the 10th amendment, which by the way was the big issue at the time as the federal government was once again asserting itself beyond that which was contemplated by our Founding Fathers. You presume to know what he was implying because I suspect that you see the worst in people......let me restate that, you see the worst in conservatives and excuse the worst in liberals.
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rude evin
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What........
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1/11/2010 3:11:33 PM
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no defense of Prez Clinton?...........you know they say mustard goes real good with that pretzel......
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MartiniMan
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Besides....
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1/11/2010 3:41:59 PM
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you are once again missing the entire point, and that is regardless of which was worse or whether it was true, the fact that Reid is being given a pass by the government media and Dem party demonstrates for all to see their double standard and hypocrisy. You can say all day long that if Jon Cornyn or Boehner or any other leader in the GOP had said the same thing the reaction would be the same and I will only laugh at you. You know full well that outcry would be tremendous, Jesse and Al would already be rhyming outside their office with signs, all the media would be falling all over themselves to decry this blatant racism, blah, blah, blah. The entire point is that there is a double standard and Dems are hypocrites...end of story.
As for me, I hope Harry Reid stays where he is until he is booted out of office in November by the people of Nevada. He will only increase what is continuing to look like a seismic shift back to the GOP in only 4 short years.
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Talullahhound
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Besides....
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1/11/2010 4:08:21 PM
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Frankly, I'm dismayed that in 2009, that an elected official is still going around making comments like that -- that he even think like that, let alone say it.
It doesn't surprise me that Bill Clinton made a comment like that. We have already seen that has one face for the public, that is substantially different than the person he really is.
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MartiniMan
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Besides....
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1/11/2010 4:28:35 PM
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And if true it certainly doesn't speak well of Democrats who presumably rejected Jackson and Sharpton because of their dark skin and distinctive dialect. It frankly says more about what Reid thinks of the rest of America than it does about Reid (other than his penchant for sticking his foot in his mouth). As for Clinton, we all knew he was a redneck racist at heart but the useful idiots in the African American community that slavishly voted for him now probably know better. So much for our first black President. I wonder what Toni Morrison thinks of him now?
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MartiniMan
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1/11/2010 5:18:33 PM
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And what seems to be missing from the conversation is the implication that Obama uses his Negro dialect "when he wants to" implying that African-American voters will only vote for him if he sounds black enough. What that implies in my mind is that African Americans are racist in their selection of a candidate (i.e., one has to exhibit certain characteristics that make them a superior choice for black voters). We all heard he and Hillary speaking differently in their speeches in Selma during the primaries, Hillary's being particularly obnoxious. Since she was over the top in her dialect and did not get the nomination it would seem to prove Reid not only is a dimwit for saying it but wrong to boot.
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GoneFishin
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Interesting fact on Lott
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1/12/2010 1:11:22 AM
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"None of the 12 reporters who attended the Thurmond celebration found anything critical to write about a tribute to a man who based his political career on the defense of racial oppression. None mentioned Lott’s remarks wishing that Thurmond had won the 1948 presidential campaign. It was only a C-SPAN broadcast of the event that triggered a round of Internet criticism of the Senate Republican leader, leading to the appearance of a small article in the Washington Post. The initiative for pursuing the matter was taken not by the Democrats, but rather by a section of the Republicans close to the Bush administration who were dissatisfied with Lott’s performance as Senate majority leader."
As to blacks being racist, there is no doubt in my mind that the majority of blacks voted for Obama because he is black. If that is being racist then blacks are racists. I never heard a black say they were not voting for Obama cause he was too light skinned or did not have a black dialect. They voted for him because he is a black.
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MartiniMan
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GF give it up on Lott
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1/12/2010 8:03:45 AM
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This isn't about ancient history, this is about the guy in charge of the Senate and arguably the third most powerful person in the country. I assume you are next going to blame Bush for what Reid said. From the beginning I have said and I repeat myself, other than demonstrating that Reid thinks Dem voters are racist, the main point is to once again highlight the double standard and hypocrisy of the left. Not once have you responded to that issue but you want to run off on tangents about whether Lott was worse than Reid. Who cares? Lott said what he said and was driven from office for it. Reid said what he said and nothing will come of it because of the double standard/hypocrisy except more reparations to the CBC for their health care votes. Point made.
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MartiniMan
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Interesting fact on Lott
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1/12/2010 8:14:34 AM
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And that quote, from wherever you got it is pure bullcrap. I was very engaged at the time and remember quite well the intense media criticism, the onslaught of Dems saying he had to go, including the quote from the little known state Senator from Illinois that I provided above. I suppose he found this on his own and decided to mention it on the radio show. Give me a break! Bush's only role in the demise of Lott was his lack of support (the so-called circling the wagons that Dems are doing for Reid right now). One of the negative aspects of having personal and professional standards is that when someone like Lott ignites a firestorm with a statement like that is that Republicans felt they could not support him and many (and I disagree with them) called for his resignation. But make no mistake, if what this quote said was true he would have never left because the vast majority of Republicans would have never heard the quote. This is left-wing revisionist history that only the ignorant or ideological will actually believe.
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rude evin
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Hey gf.........
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1/12/2010 10:36:33 AM
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Still no defense of your buddy Clinton for his unfortunate private comments?!
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