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water_watcher
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Minnesota adopting Sharia Law
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2/14/2011 6:53:40 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0vItJqpQ8U
URL: Minnesota and Sharia Law
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widgethater
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Minnesota adopting Sharia Law
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2/14/2011 11:11:29 AM
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Remember this the next time you walk into a Target store! If you spend a penny there you are going along with this BS
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Talullahhound
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Minnesota adopting Sharia Law
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2/14/2011 12:11:06 PM
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I happened to be talking to my broker this morning who lives in Minneapolis and I asked him what he thought. He said that he thought that the views expressed by the video were really overstated, based on a few isolated incidents. He isn't concerned about Shar'ia law be instituted any time soon, despite the Somali population.
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water_watcher
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Minnesota adopting Sharia Law
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2/14/2011 4:45:26 PM
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Well then ... I guess it is not an issue. Let's all just stick our head in the ground and ignore even the "isolated" cases and say it is not happening. At what point do we stop ignoring it? Normally when people wake up (like in France) then it is too late. It is out of control.
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water_watcher
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Minnesota adopting Sharia Law
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2/14/2011 4:57:22 PM
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I am so tired of people coming to the US for "opportunity" and "freedom" they do not have in their home land, yet they want to force their culture, etc on others, along with changing laws.
Can you imagine moving to China, or Iran and then wanting them to chamge for you.
I am sorry, I want to embrace people that want a better way of life and come to this country "legally" ... but please do not ask others to adjust to your life style, when you came to the US to escape what you could not have in your home land. If that does not fit ... then you always have the option to return to your homeland.
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MAJ USA RET
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Minnesota adopting Sharia Law
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2/14/2011 7:24:23 PM
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There is only ONE law inthe United States… and it is not Sharia. If you want to live under Sharia law you need to immigrate to a place where Sharia law is imposed. We like our women here and we do rank them higher than dogs.
The official language of the United States is English. If you don’t speak English, hire a translator. If you want to speak another language, feel free to do so at home or among friends. (If I immigrated to Germany, I would not expect laws and labels to be printed in English. (Trotzdem, kann Ich Deutsche sprechen, und so in Deutschland, habe Ich keine problem, usw… Español también…. e anche italiano)
If you want to become a citizen, a) immigrate legally, b) learn to speak English, and c) apply for citizenship. If you did not accomplish a) and b) then forget c) – you are not welcome here unless you are a tourist with money or here on legitimate business.
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Talullahhound
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Minnesota adopting Sharia Law
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2/14/2011 9:28:42 PM
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I guess I think you can go around getting in a snit every time anyone does something or tries to get accomodations for their pet peeve, but we'd spend all our time in a snit. As far as I can see those of Scandinavians still have the upper hand in MN and the Lutherans aren't going to embrace Shar'ia law. We'll just designate you to worry about this for the rest of us.
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lamont
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Head In Sand
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2/15/2011 11:25:36 AM
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They maybe isolated incidences now, as your Broker suggests but, that's the way the Muslim movement started in France, England, etc. So yes, let's just stick our head in the sand, as most of Europe has done, and watch it happen. Sheesh! On a side note, I am truly happy Hound's Broker is not concerned. Makes me feel much safer.
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Talullahhound
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Head In Sand
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2/15/2011 4:13:57 PM
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Well, what is your solution? What do you think should be done about it?
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MrHodja
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Head In Sand
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2/15/2011 6:00:38 PM (updated 2/15/2011 6:04:12 PM)
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I have been lurking on this one, waiting to see how it might play out.
Well, for one thing not accepting passengers in a public conveyance (taxi), based on the taxi driver's beliefs, because of what the passenger is lawfully doing or carrying, is flat-out discrimination and should be punished IAW discrimination laws. The taxi driver chose to serve the public and should serve every law abiding passenger. As well with handling packaged bacon. They aren't touching bacon, they are touching a plastic container. That the package contains bacon should not matter since there is no law against selling bacon, and once again if they refuse they are discriminating and should be dimissed.
We are a country of laws. Nothing should be allowed that violates those laws. Anyone applying for a visa should sign a statement that promises to abide by US law, period.
These people came to America. I agree with the sentiment that anyone immigrating must abide by the law and if they want the law changed, they do it like everyone else, through our legislatures, county boards, city councils, and the like. If that is not good enough for them, they should leave and go back where their way of life and laws are accepted.
Just my two cents worth.
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Talullahhound
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The Taxi Drivers
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2/15/2011 7:58:00 PM
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I don't know if they work for a company or are independent hacks. If they are independent, then I guess they have the right to refuse passengers. I have no idea how wide spread the problem is and whether this is a coordinated position amongst all Somali cab drivers or just a few rogue drivers. I would think that at the airport, they would have to abide by certain rules regarding taking or not taking fares. This really isn't any different than an independent NYC hack saying that he won't go to Brooklyn after dark.
As far as the Target employees, again we have no idea is this is just one or two employees or a wide spread problem. I agree with you in principle that they are not "handling bacon" but a plastic package. But if the company chooses to accomodate them, well, isn't that the company's decision? Maybe it is company policy to accomodate religious beliefs. Maybe they don't require Jewish employee to handle ham either.
As far as the ghat. I guess that a determination will have to be made if it is a legal or illegal substance. If it is an illegal substance, then the sale of it must be prohibited. I remember a colleague of mine who was the Army section Chief at the Embassy in Yemen for a time. He told me that the Yemenese chewed ghat every afternoon. Men would get together and argue politics while chewing ghat and then eventually they would all just mellow out and doze off. He wasn't sure if it was addictive or not. (he said it tasted awful).
In general, I believe as most everyone here, that if you choose to live in the US, you should adopt both the language and the custom of the country. But if it involves religious practices and beliefs, I'm not sure anything can be done legally. I assume the Target workers are in the country legally and are either citizens or green card holders.
Maybe this isn't as wide spread a problem in MN as the person on Fox news would have you believe.
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MrHodja
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The Taxi Drivers
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2/15/2011 10:08:43 PM
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The proverbial foot in the door....
Again, immigrants should abide by OUR laws. If they can live by their beliefs and abide by our laws, OK. That WE should change our way of life because it doesn't suit them is utter BS. They knew (or should have known) what they were emigrating to.
If they don't like MN maybe they should go back to Somalia. I'm sure they will be able to abide by their customs there.
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Talullahhound
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The Taxi Drivers
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2/15/2011 10:40:28 PM
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I'm struggling a little with that. Our country is a melting pot of various religions and customs. My mother grew up in NYC during the time of the great immigration of various Europeans to this country. Most of them kept their customs and in some cases their language. Eventually their customs melted into what is know as US culture. We are, after all, a blend of a lot of customs, religions and cultures. Now if they are here illegally, then send them back to Somalia.
And again, there is no indication how wide spread a problem this is.
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lamont
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The Taxi Drivers
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2/16/2011 12:14:07 PM
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This kind of dialogue drives me nuts.Corporations have rules. If you don't like the rules then either quit, or don't apply in the first place. If you work as a cashier in a Grocery store, you are going to have to handle Pork. If you refuse, the Corporation has every right to fire you. Go find a "pork free" Grocery Store to employ you.As far as the Cab Drivers, if they are Independent contractors, by all means, refuse who ever you want. Just don't expect many Americans to support your business when the word gets around. It probably would be extremely difficult to make a living on Somalia passenfers alone.
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turkey man
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Minnesota adopting Sharia Law
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2/17/2011 6:11:15 AM
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i wonder,how the women and gays like the new law?
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water_watcher
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Hound ... there is a difference
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2/17/2011 7:01:27 AM
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between having and keeping customs of your home land, religion, etc vs refusing to respect the law of the land. No one is asking them to change their beliefs or customs, or what they do in private ... but if they "CHOOSE" to come to this country, they need to respect and abide by our laws.
The problem I see is they want to hide behind their religion and cutoms and ask that we change our laws or allow them not to have to abide by them no matter the impact on others.
Is that right? Is that them respecting others and our laws and customs?
I am so sick of the liberal approach that we should change to "accomodate" others when it was their "CHOICE" to come here ... and with that choice should be an expectation that they live by the laws of our land.
I am troubled how you can see it any other way.
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But why isn't your anger directed at Target? Or the cab company(assuming that there is one) that is permitting this?
Let's assume for a moment that these people are embracing American culture in every other aspect of their lives, except they see this as a religious issue. We're already allowed atheists to change our cultural norms with regard to prayer in school, religious displays at public buildings, saying the pledge of allegiance. Does it make a difference that presumably the atheists are Americans? We accomodate other religious practices, why not this one? We don't require the Jehovah's Witnesses to celebrate American holidays or say the pledge of alligance, and I suspect if they objected to handling Christmas ornaments, they would not be made to by their employers.
Suppose the people involved were not Somali and weren't Muslims? Suppose they were American born Muslims... would you still feel the same?
I'm not defending this, because I feel that people that move here such assimilate into American culture. But, what about those areas where American culture is at odds with a person's religious beliefs? That's where I struggle. And if the Target employees are model employees in every other aspect, except they believe it is wrong to handle pork (even wrapped in plastic), shouldn't they be accomodated?
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MrHodja
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Okay
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2/17/2011 9:56:28 AM
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I think the Target situation is a little less clear than the taxi drivers. If indeed taxi drivers must be licensed by some Governmental authority to carry passengers, they should have to carry any law-abiding passenger. While they may be private contractors they are providing a public service. As a comparison, isn't it against the law to refuse service to someone because they are black? There is nothing unlawful about being black. The same should apply to someone who decided to have a drink on the airplane or in the airport bar before climbing into a cab. Their conduct is not unlawful unless they are intoxicated to the point that they could be arrested.
A person working at Target is in a private arrangement with the store, which could include an agreement that the employee would not have to handle pork. That would be between them. If Target decided that employment included a cashier role, then they would have to handle anything coming across or find another job.
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I do think Target and the cab company are wrong. But it is still the individual that is refusing and they came here for a reason.
As for Target ... I think companies are so scared of law suits and wanting to be politically correct ... that they opt for the accomodation. It also can be attributable to the location ... highly liberal area and a rising Muslim population.
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While MN is a liberal state, I don't think it has anything to do with liberal or not. I suspect if the same thing happened in Alabama, the result would be the same, for fear of bad publicity and law suits.
I suspect that this happens more often than you think, but you just don't hear about it.
I'm cynical enough to wonder if the thing with Target is just someone that doesn't want to cashier and is using it to get what they would consider a better job in the store. I spent a lot of time in MN a few years ago, and they are some of the nicest people you would ever meet. In fact, they pride themselves on being "MN nice". It may have changed but most of the people I talked to seemed to feel more animosity towards the Indians living there than the Somali. And of course, they have a huge Hmon (don't know if I spelled it correctly) population there too.
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