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water_watcher
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this is embarrassing to the country
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3/19/2011 12:45:38 PM
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even liberals have to be a bit embarrassed by Biden and his remarks. Wow ...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/19/biden-compares-gop-economic-strategy-blaming-rape-victims/
And still trying to blame Bush. Look at what the deficts were before democrats took over both houses of congress and started their wild spending and increasing entitlement programs. Then look at it now.
I can't believe they are still singing that song. When do they ever take responsibility for anything?
And he is critical of spending cuts and then says we are in a mess ... so if he agrees we are in a mess, why is he against starting to fix it before it is too late. What a joke. man speaks with fork tongue.
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Talullahhound
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this is embarrassing to the country
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3/19/2011 1:30:18 PM
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Biden is right. Bush ran up the deficit with his war pointless war in Iraq, but all Republicans can do is cry and whine about what Obama has done. The economy started to fall apart while Republicans were in office, but Obama was left holding the bag. He just continued the plans that Bush put in place about bailouts, but naturally Obama get the blame.
The Republican cuts are laughable. Just pure politics and at the end of the day, it won't mean a thing. But they'll whine like they always do and blame the Democrats. All that talk about "personal responsibility" but then they just blame the Democrats. This new Congress is a joke. They can't even agree within their own party.
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MartiniMan
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this is embarrassing to the country
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3/19/2011 3:37:18 PM
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C'mon Hound, you know what you wrote is not true. The economy was perfectly fine until the Democrats took control in 2006 and it has been down hill ever since. The fact is our monthly deficits exceeds the worst annual deficit when the GOP controlled the WH, House and Senate. And I thought at the time they were irresponsible for doing so. Iraq would be a mere blip on today's deficits. This has to stop and step one occurred in 2010, step 2 will occur in 2012 and possibly the final step that year if we can send the Messiah on the Hate America Tour with the worthless one Jimmy Carter.
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water_watcher
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it is pointless ..
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3/19/2011 7:23:54 PM
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liberals can not handle facts. You are right, the defits and the economy started to decline after the dems took over both houses of congress. they want to say how good the economy was under Clinton (when the republicans controlled congress). Darn those facts.
Obama and the dems DO NOT want the economy to improve. That is why they are fighting the republicans so hard and Obama vows to veto any bill to cut real spending. All so they can try and blow more smoke at the american people and try to blame the republicans.
They know the republican approach will work ... always has ... but that means they lose their power and control.
I firmly believe the dems want the economy to collapse. If they didn't then they would be setting up to the plate and working with the republicans.
They had control of both houses and passed everything they wanted since 2006 ... and we are in a horrible mess ... yet they continue to blame the republicans ... what a joke.
And Hound ... YES Bush and the republicans supported the bank bailouts ... that DID work and has been paid paid with interest. Good for the tax payers. But Obama and the dems own the stimulus package that ran up the deficit and has been a huge failure. Just like cash for clunkers and his housing credit and other give away programs.
Darn those facts again.
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Talullahhound
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No Facts
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3/19/2011 7:51:09 PM
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Just your opinions. The stimulus was already in play by the time Obama took office.
Your Republicans on the Hill are just proving that they are a lot of hot air, and can't get anything done. Just like usual, they are whining about the Democrats. I think they are glad the Dems are blocking their cuts -- that way, they don't have to face the heat from their base when these things don't work, and they can continue to play to their base about the Dems "not letting them". They can't even get agreement within their own party, so they can't reasonably compromise with the Democrats.
But then, they did get rid of that nasty liberal mouthpiece, NPR, and is going to save the government a whole $2M.... Now that's funny.
They don't have a decent candidate to run against Obama in 2012, that has a chance of a snowball in a hot place of winning.
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water_watcher
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PLEASE ....
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3/19/2011 8:00:04 PM
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They would get a lot more done if they won the senate ... just like under Clinton and you have the republicans to thank for that economy ... which when the dems took over in 2006 all went down hill.
Obama owns the stimulus ... you are confusing the stimulus with TARP. TARP worked and that was Bush and Poulsen ... and was paid back ... execpt for what Obama used to bail out GM and then give away to the unions. The stimulus was ALL Obama and the dems.
Please get your facts straight if you are going to argue. I hate seeing you embarrass yourself that way.
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Talullahhound
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You should know how it feels to be Embarrased
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3/19/2011 8:23:59 PM
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You listen to ultra-right wing media outlets and spout this stuff as "facts".
You should be embarrassed for being so uninformed, yet so opinionated. Now that is a real handicap.
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water_watcher
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You should know how it feels to be Embarrased
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3/19/2011 11:06:22 PM
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never listen to any right wing media ... unless you are talking CNBC as right wing. That is what I watch before i go to the office and when i get home. Then switch to either food network or HGTV. In my car I also listen to CNBC on XM radio. On weekends I do watch Fox and Friends in the morning. Then I normally do work until lunch time ... darn those hard working private sector people.
See Hound ... I am not influenced by MSNBC like you.
But you proved you can not even admit you were wrong ... i don't care ... but that is a problem and I really feel sorry for you that you feel you are so knowlegable and smarter than others ... yet you make a fool out of yourself saying things are facts when they are not.
Just admit when you are wrong and move past it. Or do you still want to insist Bush did the $800 billion wasteful stimulus bill. There are states that are canceling projects because they are so wasteful. I am on the board of a large not for profit and they have to keep turning down money that the feds want to throw at them because they know it will not work. What a waste.
And aside from serving on the board i give a lot of my personal time. and as you MUST know, you do not get paid as a baord member of a not for profit ... in fact you must contribute so they can say they have 100% participation from the board on their 990.
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Talullahhound
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At least we have something in Common
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3/19/2011 11:16:12 PM
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I too watch HGTV and Food Network. Do you watch Top Chef?
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water_watcher
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At least we have something in Common
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3/20/2011 7:54:53 AM
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Yes ... I am routing for Richard Blaise in the all star challenge ... I have known him for several years from where he has been chef at different atlanta restaurants. He has finally started to settle down and mature from his early years as a chef. I hope he wins. He really has a lot of talent.
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Talullahhound
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At least we have something in Common
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3/20/2011 7:59:27 AM
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I'm rather surprised his dishes haven't been called out to win in the competitions. The judges universally seem to agree that they are great. I'm also surprised that someone so talented seems so insecure about his food. That sweet potato pasta with the conch was brilliant, and should have won last week.
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water_watcher
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At least we have something in Common
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3/20/2011 9:30:31 AM
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Agree ... he has always been very original and creative. At times too much so, but that happens with great chefs. And I would put him in the great category. He is a really nice person as well.
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realfast64
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At least we have something in Common
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3/20/2011 1:27:30 PM
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Well when gas is 5+ a gallon,a loaf of bread is 5 bucks peanut butter is a luxury item then all this Dem./Rep. crap won't matter.Then maybe people will come together and we can then work this mess out. Till then we are in for one heck of a ride. Anybody want to make an offer on a lake house?
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MartiniMan
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Yes they are facts
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3/20/2011 1:36:49 PM
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Hound, all you have to do is look at the following facts and you will see it is not opinion but it is the truth. GDP from from 2000 to 2005 versus 2006-2010; annual deficits from 2000 to 2005 versus 2006-2010; unemployment rate during the same period, foreclosures during the same period, and so on. It is demonstrably factual that the economy and governement spending were significantly better when the GOP controlled the House, Senate and WH and started downhill with Democrats gained control of the House and Senate and significantly spiraled downward when the Messiah assumed office. That is a fact....look it up.
As for Bush owning the first stimulus, I remind you that it was approved by a Democrat-controlled Congress and dear leader himself actually had the temerity to vote for it rather than just saying "present". And recall that all the subsequent porkulus spending, most of which went to prop up fiscally irresponsible state and local governments as opposed to actually stimulating anything (other than the bank accounts of unions like the SIEU). So Democrats own 2/3rds of the first stimulus and 100% of everything thereafter that have given us these devastating deficit numbers and a lousy recovery.
You are right that the GOP has so far been unable to get much done but that is because they are being blocked by the WH and the Dem-controlled Senate. We will hopefully fix that in 2012. For the life of me I can't understand why you of all people who remains critical of the Bush deficits seem to approve of the current spending. So what I take from that is you are Keynsian and don't care about what is left for our children and grandchildren to suffer for as we will all be dead by then.
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Talullahhound
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Yes they are facts
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3/20/2011 8:50:31 PM
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wha, wha, wha. Want some cheese to go with that whine?
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MartiniMan
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Oh that's mature....
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3/20/2011 10:04:28 PM
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Great come back Hound.....I don't think I've heard that one since middle school.....maybe grade school... Maybe I should retort with something equally infantile like, "Yeah, well, so's your old man"..... I know how frustrating it must be to have to deal with the truth but it might be better just to ignore me than respond with something like that......
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Talullahhound
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I wasn't necessarily saying that to you
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3/21/2011 8:29:05 AM
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But it was aimed at the Republicans that whine the Democrats won't let them get anything done....
When you step back from the whole thing and look at it objectively, isn't it just our politics that allows one side to always blame the other for not getting things done or solving the problem? Both sides do it. I think it is a good way to play to their base-- the accompanying sound bite is "we would have done it, but the ________ (fill in the blank) wouldn't recognize the "rightness" of our path.
To be honest, I am equally disgusted by both sides. They need to negotiate, they need to compromise and they need to make significant cuts. And they need to pass a budget for the rest of this fiscal year.
We've become a nation that can't solve problems because we can't get out of our own way.
Life is about negotiation and compromise, where you are dealing with the country or dealing with your family. Both sides of the political spectrum have gotten way too addicted to the sound bite. It's like Charlie Sheen's "winning". Sheesh.
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MartiniMan
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I wasn't necessarily saying that to you
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3/21/2011 10:07:19 AM
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OK, I get your point. I think though you have to recognize that
negotiation and compromise is a sausage making process and that sitting
down and talking is oftentimes the last step, not the first.
But I
think if you realistically look at a budget with a $1.6 trillion
shortfall, you have to admit it is hard to take Dems seriously when they
want credit for cutting a $100 million here and a $100 million there.
That is chump change when you think about what really needs to be cut in
order for us to avoid fiscal disaster like many European countries.
And you also have to acknowledge that until the American people stop punishing politicians for doing the right thing, they are naturally going to be reluctant to do the right thing. We will see what happens when the latest CR expires and the GOP refuses to sign onto another, which is exactly what they should do. They have been trying for several months now to get Dems invested in serious discussions about the deficits with almost no luck and only meaningless spending reductions (at best).
At this point they should not approve another CR. Things are a lot different than in 1995. There was no alternative to the government media back then and there is today and it is more popular that ever. There was no Fox News, Rush Limbaugh was pretty much the only widely listened to conservative talker and frankly most Americans recognize that we are on a suicidal trajectory with government spending and something has to change. I should also point out that despite all the hoopla about the punishment the GOP took after 1995 they only lost 9 seats in the House and maintained control of Congress from another ten years.
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Talullahhound
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I wasn't necessarily saying that to you
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3/21/2011 12:25:46 PM
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But, it's clear that the Republicans are not going to get a wholesale approval of all the cuts that they want to do. And it's pretty clear that the Democrats are not going to be able to side step that major cuts are going to be made. So they need to get on with it, instead of spending time on "quality" sound bites.
And you are right about the American voters needing to hold politican accountable.
Closing down the government will serve no useful purpose. They just need to move off the dime and get the budget done.
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MartiniMan
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Help me out here
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3/21/2011 1:27:04 PM
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How do you think they can go about getting around to the necessary cuts? It seems to me that there is an impasse coming when the House approves a budget with significant cuts that the Dem-led Senate will not approve. We can't just keep passing CR's forever, right? It seems to me that the GOP would be showing real leadership by not passing more CR's which will force the Dems to do something, right? The GOP proposed $61 billion in cuts which is only a reduction of 4% of the total deficit (2% of the overall budget) and they have been rejected by the Dems. How do you get them to the table to discuss serious cuts when they block even modest cuts (and in my view woefully inadequate).
How do we get them to the table for serious discussions? And Obama is no help at all as the cuts he proposed were tiny and have all been incorporated into the CR's already. Every time he proposes his miniscule cuts the GOP puts them in a CR and we get them enacted. But he doesn't propose anything that is even remotely serious. I personally think his strategy is to avoid any real cuts, way for the GOP to propose something responsible and then attack them using the old, worn out mantra of starving Granny and eliminating SS. I understand the politics of all this but you write as if only the GOP is playing them. That's just not the case.
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Talullahhound
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Help me out here
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3/21/2011 2:32:17 PM
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To some extent I think they are. It appears me that at least some parts of the Republican representation is refusing to negotiate. But, I'm not letting the Democrats off the hook either.
I'd like to see them all sit in a room. Someone needs to list that which they agree on, that which they partially agree on, and then the things that they can't agree on at all.
Then they need to start a process of negotiation. It is not easy, but it can't be impossible. I think the sound bite mindset is keeping them from even trying.
People with major disagreements sit down every day and make things work. Why can't they?
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MartiniMan
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Help me out here
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3/21/2011 5:06:46 PM
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I think the answer might be politics. Sometimes you benefit politically from not solving a problem. Here is a great example. When I went to India we went to Bhopal (where the Union Carbide accident happened). When there we learned that in 25+ years since the spill not one thing has happened to clean up the site. Waste is still sitting there in tanks, soil and groundwater is contaminated, etc. I asked our guides how this was possible and they said the politicians got a lot of mileage out of expressing outrage toward Union Carbide and ginning up resentment and animosity with the electorate than they would solving the problem. An extreme example maybe.......but maybe not. Sad either way and just one of many reasons I would never venture into the world of politics.
Sadly, I think Obama and the Dems in the Senate and some in the GOP that may have concluded they will benefit more by not solving this problem. There are lot of freshman GOP congresspeople that are hellbent to solve the budget deficits. We just need more of them.
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Talullahhound
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Help me out here
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3/21/2011 7:24:14 PM
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That's quite a story about India, but it's not surprising. I think the Indians wrung a lot of money out of Union Carbide.
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