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Name:   gabby - Email Member
Subject:   Intresting read.you decide
Date:   4/27/2008 3:00:23 PM

This message contains three parts:

Part 1
In just one year . Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following:
A little over one year ago:

1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:

1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $23 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

America voted for change in 2006, and we got i t!

Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him.

Quote of the Day........'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.' -- Barack Obama
Part 2:
Taxes.Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html
Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250
Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates
It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.



PART 3:
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:
Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us.
I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/l dt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.' Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.' Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
Are we THAT stupid?




Name:   green,ed - Email Member
Subject:   Intresting read.you decide
Date:   4/28/2008 9:40:27 AM

Your"e preaching to the choir.Amen



Name:   longtimer - Email Member
Subject:   At least two strikes........
Date:   4/29/2008 12:31:26 AM

Read this to see why the part about how we "voted for a change... and got it!" is wrong: http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/votedforchange.asp

Read this to see why the part about taxes is mostly wrong: http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/clinton-bush.asp

No reason to let Mythbuster have all of the fun!!!



Name:   Julio - Email Member
Subject:   Intresting read.you decide
Date:   5/6/2008 6:54:15 PM

Gabby, a couple of other points on your post, and please note that I am an Independent that votes for Democrats and Republicans on a pretty even basis:
1. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. If you want to give Ronald Reagan all the credit in the world for the prosperity of the 80's acheived with a Democratic Congress for 6 of his 8 years in office, you have to give the same credit to Slick Willie, and the same blame to W. The presidency ain't irrelevant.

2. Whether you want to admit it or not, W's foreign policy has contributed to the spike in gas prices. Notice that I say "contributed", not "solely to blame". Whether you agree with his policy or not, the pot is definitely stirred up in the Middle East and Venezuela right now. That affects gas prices. (By the way, I agree with all of you that Hugo Chavez can go to Hell. So don't bother accusing me of being a "Chavez sympathizer") Not real sure which laws you are speaking of passed by the Dem's in the last 16 months that have caused the gas price increase. I'll be the first to scream that they haven't done a thing themselves to help it, though.

3. As to the mortgage crisis, I don't see how you can blame the democrats any more than republicans. If there is any government inaction to blame, it happened about five years ago when all of these insane mortgage lenders were allowed to structure these crazy loans that barely paid 30% of the interest due for the first three to five years, and then came due on a huge balloon payment. If anybody had the power to regulate those mortgages at the time they were being made, it was W and the Republican Congress. However, we all know that the word "regulation" is profanity in Republican circles. By the way, I am apparently one of the few people that will say both the lenders and the borrowers that participated in those insane mortagage structures are equally to blame. The democrats want to say the borrowers are all victims, as though they had no idea of what the mortgage terms were when entering the mortgage

3. The 1.2 trillion drop in home equity is directly related to the mortgage crisis. Lending standards have now been tightened, and appraisal standards have become very restricted in the process. If this equity loss is to be blamed on the mortage problem, then see note #2 above regarding inaction of the Republican Congress. By the way, I'm one of those equity victims, as well. I wanted to do some remodeling on my house myself last month, and discovered that my new appraisal was less than it was three years ago. The Lender wanted me to take out a "signature loan", have the renovations done, then come back and refinance. No thanks.







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