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water_watcher
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Clintons Donors Released
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1/29/2009 4:45:04 PM
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WARNING
You may throw up while reading this, even if you are a liberal
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Now that Bill Clinton has released the list of his 205,000 donors who have given close to $500 million to his library and foundation, it's clear why he resisted releasing the list while his wife was running for president.
Compelled to make it public as a condition of his wife's appointment as secretary of state, it becomes clear that the list is a virtual encyclopedia of conflicts of interest for the husband of a senator, to say nothing of the husband of an incoming secretary of state.
Particularly troubling are the massive donations from Arab governments in the Middle East. How can a secretary of state possibly be impartial in conflicts involving Israel when her husband has gotten tens of millions of dollars from Arabian governments and high-ranking people. Specifically, Clinton got:
Between $10 million and $25 million from:
-- The government of Saudi Arabia
Between $1 million and $5 million from:
-- Friends of Saudi Arabia
-- The Dubai Foundation
-- Saudi businessman Nasser Al-Rashid
-- Saudi tycoon Sheikh Mohammed H. Al-Amoudi
-- Former Lebanon Deputy Prime Minister Issam Fares
-- The government of Kuwait
-- The government of Qatar
-- The government of Oman
-- The government of Brunei
-- The Zayed Family, rulers of Abu Dhabi and the United Arab Emirates
-- He also received between $500,000 and $1 million from Saudi businessman Walid Juffali.
Pardon us for looking such generous gift horses in the mouth, but it is hard to imagine so many governments, monarchs and businessmen in the Middle East giving money unless it was with some hope of a political return on their investment. Will that return now come with the appointment of Mrs. Clinton as secretary of state?
After all, the next secretary of state will be called upon to mediate and negotiate conflicts in the Middle East as her first assignment. How can Hillary Clinton undertake to do so impartially when her husband's library and foundation -- over which he has total control -- have been bankrolled by the very nations with whom she must negotiate?
The list reveals another key center of conflicts of interest in Kazakhstan, the former Soviet Republic, now home to some of the world's greatest mineral deposits and ruled by a corrupt dictator, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, who according to The New York Times has all but quashed political dissent."
Clinton visited Kazakhstan and met with its president on Sept. 6, 2005, accompanied by Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra. Soon after, Giustra was awarded a highly lucrative contract to mine uranium there. Now, lo and behold, Giustra turns up having given the library and foundation $10 million to $25 million and the Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative-Canada gave $1 million to $5 million more. And Clinton got $1 million to $5 million from Laksmi Mittal, the fourth wealthiest person on the Forbes billionaire list and a member of the Foreign Investment Council in Kazakhstan.
In addition, Clinton further fished in troubled waters by taking $1 million to $5 million from Victor Pinchuk, the son-in-law of the controversial former president of Ukraine.
Given the complexities of U.S. policy toward the former Soviet republics in Central Asia, it is hard to see how this massive and incestuous relationship cannot but complicate Hillary's independence.
One of the largest donors to the library and foundation was UNITAID, an international organization largely controlled by France, which donated more than $25 million. And the conflicts of interest are not all just foreign. Corporate bailout recipients and wanna-be recipients donated to the Clinton fund. They include: AIG, Lehman, Merrill, the Citi Foundation and General Motors.
And, almost as an afterthought, the list reveals a donation of at least $450,000 from Denise Rich, presumably in return for her ex-husband's presidential pardon.
How could a United States Senator possibly serve dispassionately while her husband was collecting money from these donors on this scale? And how could we have almost elected a president without realizing these conflicts existed? And how can a secretary of state function with these conflicts hanging over her head?
Looks like another sell-out!
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Talullahhound
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1/29/2009 6:04:10 PM
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This was on the news the other night. I think Hilary was questioned about during the confirmation hearing.
Needless to say, it's pretty surprising that Bill had all these Middle East donors -- makes you wonder what they are getting out of it since he is not a registered lobbyist - at least I don't think he is. Theoretically, they are all "friendly" countries to the US, although it's certainly possible to debate it.
Is there an appearance of a Conflict of Interest? Yes, I think there is. Will this actually influence Hilary -- don't know. Somehow I doubt it. She seems like a pretty strong personality in her own right and I have a feeling she does her own thing whether Bill likes it or not. But normally, where there is a potential for conflict of interest, the individual usually recuses themselves from the decision process. I thought that elected and appointed officials had to file the same financial disclousre statements that I and my colleagues had to file yearly. She and Bill must have their financials completely segregated. .
It definitely an unprecedented situation whether she is a Senator or SecState. I'm rather surprised that they waited until her SecState nomination to make this an issue. I don't like Hilary so I can't defend her.
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MartiniMan
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Welcome back!!!!
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1/29/2009 6:43:31 PM
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We missed you! I will try to be nicer.......until I get riled....then you can fire back. But I will try to be nicer.
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rude evin
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1/29/2009 10:07:08 PM
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Why suh I do believe that there Mr. Clinton would be known as a lobbyist or a bag man or both!
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muddauber
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Clintons Donors Released
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1/30/2009 6:12:45 AM
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I am not a fan of either Clinton. But these figures are just that, numbers. Don't know what they've given to other libraries, don't know what other gov'ts/business interests have done from other countries. Also, Bill is a young ex-pres, with lots of "consulting" work ahead of him. Of course money is always a bit of a bribe which is common in many parts of the world. Lastly, those figures amount to roughly 10% of the total raised so far.
Do I think this would influence Hill to go against her country or convictions...Not a chance.
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water_watcher
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Clintons Donors Released
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1/30/2009 6:50:56 AM
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A response you would expect from a liberal that wears blinders. I am sure if this came out about George W you would be singing a much different tune. Remember it was Bill that ignored terrorist attacks that ultimately led to 9/11 .... now he is taking money from the people and countries the terrorists came from.
Money is always an influence and can make people not do the right thing or look the other way. Just look at the latest dem influenced by money ... he was impeached yesterday and will soon be in a federal jail.
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