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I love it
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11/7/2008 3:04:44 PM
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The dow was up to 258 when BO started talking and now it has fallen to 110 as he speaks.
He was asked about the letter from Iran telling him to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanastan and he said he has not "decided" what he will do or how he will reply. How about you are not going to tell me what I should do.
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I think you
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11/7/2008 3:13:37 PM
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should put all of your money into US auto makers.... Now is the time to buy. The government is going to bail them out. I'm glad I didn't sell my Ford stock. LOL
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lamont
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You Think you are so smart
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11/7/2008 3:16:21 PM
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I've still got my AIG stock. Wooohoooo!
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You Think you are so smart
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11/7/2008 3:20:31 PM
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You;ve got me beat, but not by much..
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I think you
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11/7/2008 3:47:51 PM
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Now that was funny.
The government will bail them out ... I actually feel they can not let them fail ... but they need union concessions so they can be more competitive and they need tax breaks.
The non US car companies are building plants here, getting local tax incentives and non union. They actually pay higher wages and give better benefits than Union plants but can manageme them the way the want and promote people they want, reward people on productivity and quality without all the union BS.
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He stopped talking
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11/7/2008 4:03:09 PM
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and the market went back up.
He was showing his inexperience .... someone asked him about his security briefings and he said I dont think I can talk about that .... then he said I will telll you this, then he said no i dont think i better comment.
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He stopped talking
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11/7/2008 5:00:35 PM
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May be you should W_W as the market finished up 248 points. You just talk to hear yourself talk. This recession will be with us through 2009. It is going to get worse before it gets better. I hate to see that but that is reality. There is no financing for cars and sales will continue to decline this year.
Rather than worry about my childhood, you need to re examine your party that right now is so dependent on the election of a felon in Alaska, the victory of an incumbent Senator running against a comedian, and the election of your own Senator in Georgia who called a Viet Nam vet triple amputee Max Cleveland unpatriotic. The guy lost 2 legs and an arm and he is unpatriotic but Rebulcans will support that Conservative Chambliss.
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He said it because.....
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11/7/2008 5:52:12 PM
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The guy didn't have a leg to stand on. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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So a profane...........
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11/7/2008 8:06:37 PM
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Comedian who also was a failure on the near bankrupt Air America radio network was the best candidate you Ds could come up with in liberal Minn?? Well bless their hearts..........
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water_watcher
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He stopped talking
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11/8/2008 8:42:45 AM
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Yes the market went back up, "after he stopped talking". It was like watching those lines they used during the debates .... the more he talked the more the DOW went down. When he stopped talking it went up.
I am not worried about your childhood ... but maybe you should be. Get some help. You will feel better and be a better person.
As for the 87 year old felon in Alaska, first the dems are not without their criminals so don't even go there. The people that get elected is beyond me.
But the good news is he did get elected, so now the govenor gets to appoint someone. I hope Sarah appoints herself. She probably won't but it would be great if she did. That way when she runs in 2012 she will have executive experience as govenor and much more senate experience than BO had when he ran.
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Lets compare felons
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11/8/2008 8:54:17 AM
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GF, once again you open a can of worms that you should never have opened. I issue my uisual challenge to you. You give me one Republican convicted of anything that stayed inoffice and I will give you two Democrats. This is going to be like taking candy from a baby.
The fact is that Stevens is a disgrace but the fact also is that he was duly reelected and now Gov Palin can appoint a Republican, which is probably the intent of the voters anyway.
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No appointments in AK
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11/8/2008 10:12:42 AM
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Alaska law calls for a special election within 90 days of resigantion, death, removal et al. So no Sarah can't appoint herself. She could however win the special election by a landslide I am sure. I have already contacted ACORN about casting my ballot in that race. They said no problem, we have plenty of time to get you registered in AK, and anywhere else I wouold like to vote.
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The senate race
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11/8/2008 2:12:18 PM
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The irony is that the balance of power rests with three unusual senate races that the Republicans must win. It is interesting how some states restrict felons from voting but not from running. Can a convicted felon vote for themselves?
Martini, as I have said before sleaze reaches across the aisle. However, I can't remember a convicted felon running and winning a Senate race. I read that Roy Blunt, the Republican whip in the House of Representatives, will announce on Thursday he will not seek another term in leadership for the Republicans in the House. I heard from a reliable source that he made that decision after hearing about Emanuel and the knife incident. Guess he would rather be safe than sorry.
It was nice that Obama apologized to Nancy. He mispoke as Bush has for the past 8 years. Amazing that he held a press conference which almost dupilicates the number Bush has held in the past 8 years.
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MartiniMan
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The senate race
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11/8/2008 3:33:24 PM
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Give me one example where Bush insulted Rosalyn Carter or said anything so mean spirited about an 80+ year old woman. This is exactly what I had anticipated. The apologists for this guy are falling all over themselves to forgive and explain away anything he says or does but would not in a million years excuse something as unimportant as the spelling of a word. Its going to be a fun 4 years listening to you twist and spin as this guy fails on every one of his promises except to raise taxes and raise the surrender flag.
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The senate race
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11/8/2008 8:39:26 PM
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What did Obama say about Nancy Reagan?
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Comment about Mrs. Reagan
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11/8/2008 9:59:13 PM
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He made a comment in a news conference that he had spoken to all of the living presidents. then he made some reference to Nancy Reagan holding seances while she lived at the White House. He later called her and apologized.
According to news reports, Mrs. Reagan had used astrologers to assist in setting her husband's calender (after the assassination attempt)- but no seances were held.
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BO isn't good with Ad Lib
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11/9/2008 7:58:53 AM
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His oratory has always been scripted. When he speaks off the cuff he is unpredictable. Should be interesting. He's smart and will learn over time to watch his comments, I imagine. Didn't vote for him, not a fan, but trying to be positive (sigh).
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BO isn't good with Ad Lib
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11/9/2008 8:07:27 AM
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I didn't vote for him either and over time more and more people will not want to admit that they did. It should be a fun 4 years seeing who has more gaffs .... Obama or Biden. Someone will keep count and a website will pop up ... hey I just had a great idea.
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Swimmer27
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I wasn't going to vote for him
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11/9/2008 9:11:57 AM
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but then I heard about how if I helped him, he would help me with filling up my car (and boats I hope) and that I wouldn't have to make my mortgage payments anymore. After that it was a NO BRAINER. I am really looking forward to hound and feb paying my mortgage payments on a home I don't have.....LMAO.
Since I will be saving TONS of money NOT PAYING my bills, I will be throwing lots more parties next season. Heck I will even offer a pick up and delivery service for guests since O will be buying my gas!!!
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BO isn't good with Ad Lib
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11/9/2008 9:36:00 AM
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well, I voted for him and have no problem saying that I did. Maybe the guy who ran bushism will convert and do the same thing for Obama. who knows.
not sure who on here listens to XM - but POTUS 2008 has been an interesting station to listen to. I think it has been really interesting to here them break down the election and how the respective parties chose to handle this election.
the gist of it has been how the DNC decided to really stretch the map and were clearly successful in doing so. The RNC seemed to have missed the boat on this and it evidently really cost them.
I have heard much how the RNC needs to really refocus the conservative message and make it more palatable to everyone. The hate mongering and messages about fear just did not work this time. It clearly turned people off. That message was clearly here on these boards and continues to be here.
Every negative comment that is made just reaffirms my opinion of the Republican Party. I guess in part you just cannot help it - it has been such a conditioned response for the last 8 years. Bush was the master of using fear to rule. I still love how everytime his approval ratings went down - the terror threat went up. He must really have thought everyone was a clueless as he was.
The comments about Obama being Muslim was such a turn off and simply reinforce the ignorant bias that all Muslims are terrorists. The comments about trends to socialism are also based on fear and ignorance and I think much ado about nothing. It seems the general trend in both the house and senate are to be more central and I don't think Pelosi is going to have all the power she thinks she is going to have. Most say (other than some republicans) that the choice of Emanuel is a good choice. He is very hard nosed but for all the prattle about his partisanship - he is a moderate centrist democrat and from the articles I read indicate that the far left is not happy with him as the chief of staff. Much better choice than Daschle would have been.
The RNC has essentially two years to get it together if they want to bring people back and maybe they will learn from this election and the missteps they had along the way.
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11/9/2008 9:44:32 AM
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that the incumbent Republican cannot clearly defeat a "Comedian who also was a failure on the near bankrupt Air America radio network". while true that it is sad that Franken is the best that the Dems could come up with - but sadder is they have to have a recount...
You did not do a lot to expound the qualities of the incumbent with your statement...
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I too have been hearing much about how turned off people are by how far right the Republicans have moved. I totally agree that playing on people's fears to rule is not acceptable -- you notice they stopped doing it when it stopped working. It was pure political manipulation. And hate and name-calling never wins. Most people do not want to be part of it. I thought the Repuplicans ran a very juvenile campaign with the name calling and message of hate. Why not just stick to the issues? I am really surprised that John McCain resorted to it -- I would have expected him to take the high road since he runs on his integrity and love of country. I think he got some very bad advice from his campaign strategist.
As far as Obama's "grave" misstep regarding Nancy Reagan -- it was an off the cuff joke, and I don't consider it an "insult" to Nancy. Should he have said it -- probably not, but worse has been said. None of us are perfect, and it's hardly the first time that a President (of either party) or President-elect has had to apologize for a joke.
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Its obvious why you are
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11/9/2008 10:18:23 AM
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a BO voter. I could deconstruct everything you wrote in this post but its simply not worth the effort. You will spend the next 4 years justifying your decision and excusing everything that BO does. As for me, I will spend the next 2-4 years watching with amusement and fear as the king of "Present" and Pelosi/Reid/Frank/Dodd....now have to govern. So far I am not encouraged. Its still a dangerous world (even more so with a feckless President-elect), idiot voters that thought BO was going to pay their gas and mortgage are still paying for their gas and mortgage and leftist Dems in Congress are planning their assault on our liberties and pocket books.
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Swimmer27
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Amen
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11/9/2008 11:37:10 AM
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Find me ONE instance of a republican ATTACKING a dem or dem election office. IF, and that is a big IF, you do find one, I will find you FIVE dems that attacked people or offices.
HATE. My God you dems get stupider with every glass of kool aide you chug.
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Swimmer27
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BO isn't good with Ad Lib
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11/9/2008 11:42:53 AM
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When the 'misery index' tops 20, I wonder will you still be proud?
BDS is in full force with you. Who are you going to blame NOW? Well actually we all know it will still be Bush's fault. The dumbest Presisdent in history, according you guys, but he can control the WHOLE WORLD with just a phone call.................lol.
You guys are so pathetic. And like WW, I could refute everything you said, point by point, but it aint worth it.
I will take my fall back position-- NEVER ARGUE WITH IDIOTS, BYSTANDERS MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE, AND BESIDES, ALL THEY DO IS DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL AND BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE.
But I got my mortgage check from O in the mail yesterday.
Thank you oh gracious OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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you are right about
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11/9/2008 12:45:38 PM
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a few things - it does absolutely no good to try and hold any type of discussion with you. You say you can deconstruct point by point - then do so.
how do you account for the fact that your party is so out of touch that you lost several KEY states that have been a stronghold for years?
how do you account for the inference that the country, as a whole, is absolutely sick and tired of your hate and fear mongering?
you wanted a mandate? since you so LOVE the electoral college when it benefitted Bush in 2000 - how do you love it now? Bush had 271 to Gore's 268. This year Obama had 364 to 168 for McCain - is that a mandate? Would it have been if the reverse had happened?
How happy are you with your party and the fact that so called loyalist are busy throwing McCain and Palin under the bus so they can already be positioning themselves in 2012?
but just do what you normally do - name call - it is what you are best at.
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Because
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11/9/2008 1:26:26 PM
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Obama, he gonna halp me! If I can't pay for my gas, Obama he halp me. If I can't pay my mortgage, Obama, he halp me.
He is our savior.
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11/9/2008 1:42:40 PM
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Thats just like a liberal. Express a different viewpoint and it is hate and fear mongering. If you want examples of hate and fear mongering just look at the foul, nasty things that liberals like yourself have said about Bush the last 8 years. You look at this election as the whole country being sick and tired.....then how do you account for the the 57 million people that voted for McCain? I guess they don't count and like any good liberal you probably think they need to be quiet now that the messiah has been elected.
As you probably don't realize because you apparently have no grasp of history, party control of congress and the White House waxes and wanes. It hasn't been that long, but maybe even you can recall that after many years of Dem control Republicans gained control of Congress in the early 90's. Other than Carter and Clinton, Republicans have controlled the White House for decades. I guess we are overdue for a Democrat enema in the White House and congress to remind the electorate that we need adults running the government.
When did I ever say I wanted a mandate or had problems with the electoral college? In fact it is just the opposite and as I said in earlier posts if Obama won the electoral college but not the popular vote then he is the president. Unlike liberals like yourself who have spent 8 years suffering from Bush derangment syndrome I am perfectly fine with the current election system (although I would prefer that illegal groups like ACORN would be run out of business).
And no, I don't consider Obamination's victory a mandate. I reserve that for events like Reagan winning 49/50 states. The fact is we still have plenty of states filled with people that actually believe in individual liberty, limited government and free speech. It is going to be amusing watching the Obamination/Reid/Pelosi try to govern and sadly it will cause long-term damage but that is what the electorate asked for and will get. Just remember all your venom when it goes the other direction in future elections.
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don't worry
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11/9/2008 1:53:45 PM
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The liberal dems will be crushed again as they have many times in the past. Whenever there has been a dem in the white house with an all dem congress, they have totally screwed up this country and been booted out after one term. It will happen again.
And don't come back and say the country is screwed up already. Yes there are serious problems, mostly due to the credit crisis caused by a liberal democrat idea of sub prime mortgages stated under a "great" president Jimmy Carter and then expanded under Clinton. When reform was proposed by republican the dems like Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Ried, Meeks, etc all denied there was a problem.
But even with that we are in a recession and unemployment has not reached the level of the peak under Clinton and is about half of what it hit under Carter.
As I said before, Bush took over a crisis and recession from Clinton, then we were hit with 9/11 ... but even with that Bush and the republican congress got things moving in the right direction and we had more than 6 years of growth and prosperity over coming a severe terrorist attack .... not to mention he kept the country safe.
So now we have a socialist president and socialist congress .... so we are all going to wait and see how their policies work.
And I am sick of all this talk how we need to all get behind Obama. Why is it the liberals feel that everyone that has not agreed with them should rally behind Obama ... why weren't the liberals rallying behind Bush and the republicans? One simple reason ... they did not agree. And 48 million people do not agree with Obama and the liberal policies.
There are many reasons the republicans lost ... but a big part is the dems would not support Bush and their tatics hurt and divided the country. So no ... now that the tables are turned you are not going to get everyone supporting Obama.
Obama has to earn my support. If he does well I will say he does. But I do not agree with much of what he proposes.
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Want2beonlake..............
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11/9/2008 2:44:16 PM
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For perspective on my post re Frankan,just go up two posts to GF in same thread................was just replying to his cynical take on the 3 remaining Sen races. If these all go D...........then that leaves no effective check on the total govt control by the Ds.........not good in my opinion. As to my failure to expound on the virtues of the incumbent Sen Coleman................not trying to convince you of anything, but if you checked out Wikipedia you'll find out he's been a former Democrat, former Mayor of St, Pual, former Congressman in the 108,109 and 110 congress, US Senator since 2003...........the seat that was once held by Walter Mondale and Paul Wellstone...........both very liberal Senators ...............which circles back to my original point to GF...........is this the best the Dems could do in a very liberal state? Not to worry thouigh...........the ACORN group and their ally in the Sec State office is in the process of stealing......uh recounting the votes for.... that office................the Senate will soon have its own version of SNL........ :-}
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My, My.. Aren't we Bitter
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11/9/2008 5:10:14 PM
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One thing about Republicans -- they are bad losers and have to make excuses why they lost. And then then attack anyone that doesn't agree with them.
Name calling me a "liberal" doesn't bother me, because I am an adult and I believe what I believe based on my life experience. You spit it out like it is some sort of damning curse.
Give me one example when namecalling solved a problem -- so Republican to be interested in affixing the blame instead of solving the problem. We've had 8 years of that. And frankly, I'm a little bored with it.
McCain will be back in the Senate. I hope we'll see his maverick moves disagreeing with his party and how often he reaches across the aisle. While Obama will have to make good on his Presidential promises, I'll be watching for McCain to make good on his. He'sa problem solver, let's see him propose some solutions. (Okay Republicans, tell me how he won't be able to do anything because of Pelosi and Read. Well, he's billed here as a great leader, so let's see some leadership)
Presumably, he won't go around calling Obama a terrorist and a socialist, now that Obama is going to be President. After all, he has pledged his support to the new President.
You know, I really don't understand people who are so negative. Why not give our new President-elect the benefit of the doubt and see what happens. Unless of course, you are using Nancy Reagan's astrologer and you know what's in the stars... What sign are you guys???
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Well Said!!!
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11/9/2008 5:13:46 PM
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His posts are always so negative --
Once in a while he'll come up with a nugget of information that comprehensible, but it's generally a long wait in between.
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My, My.. Aren't we Bitter
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11/9/2008 7:17:40 PM
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Both sides are sore losers ... that is why there is partisan politics. The dems have been blown out much worse than the republicans and lost it for a long time and were very bitter and never want to cooperate.
I think the republicans will quitely vote against much of what the dems what to pass and just watch them hang themselves.
How can you even have faith in the dems leadership with people like Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, Dodd, Franks, Reid, et al
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My, My.. Aren't we Bitter
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11/9/2008 8:18:47 PM
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I've said numerous times that I don't support Nancy Pelosi. She's an idiot and an embarassment as a Democrat and a woman. Irresponsible. And Maxine Waters -- well, what can I say? Every party has some.
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11/9/2008 8:20:25 PM
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"" McCain will be back in the Senate. I hope we'll see his maverick moves disagreeing with his party and how often he reaches across the aisle. While Obama will have to make good on his Presidential promises, I'll be watching for McCain to make good on his. He'sa problem solver, let's see him propose some solutions. (Okay Republicans, tell me how he won't be able to do anything because of Pelosi and Read. Well, he's billed here as a great leader, so let's see some leadership)
Presumably, he won't go around calling Obama a terrorist and a socialist, now that Obama is going to be President. After all, he has pledged his support to the new President. ""
This one takes the cake!! Let me get this straight, you didjn't support McCain but now that the guys you DID support is in office, you are looking to McCain to show leadership. In fact the entire campaign all we heard from you syncopats was how UNQUALLIFIED McCain/Palin were, but your guys is ready from day one. But now you look to him to lead. At least you are recognizing that SOMEBODY has too and your guy aint got it in him.
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You just don't get it, do you? We'll just see what McCain can do. And no, frankly, I'm not expecting to see any leadership out of him -- haven't seen it for the 20 years he's been there, but one can always hope.
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But ... ...
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11/10/2008 5:33:50 AM
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you have seen leadership out of Obama for the 143 days he was in the senate and all the days he was late or missed hearings (did you see the video?) or how about all the bills he proposed, how about how many times he changed his position as the political winds blew, how about saying the surge would not work and we should withdraw, how about him voting "present" rather than take a position, how about all his association that showed leadership.
Mccain has shown leadership his whole life and always put his country first.
The election may be over, but we will not fall on our sword and just fall in line with someone we do not respect and has policies that can and will be destructive to this country. As I have said ... if he does good he will earn my respect and support ..... but i have little to no faith that will happen. Plus there are things I will never agree with that he stands for. Abortion and his general belief in socialism. I came from hubble beginning and worked hard and took risks, as well as taking loans to go to school. Just because I finally have a little something I dod not want to have it taken away to give to others that have not worked as hard or taken the same risks to get ahead. My father is retired, but I think his highest income ever was $48m, but he is a die hard republican.
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11/10/2008 6:49:54 AM
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Yea, I am the one that just doesn't get it......LMAO.
McCail lost but you want him to fullfill his campaign promises. I haven't seen the post where you are demanding tha O keep his. It's probably because you realizxe that o's promises will destroy the country but are too partisan to admit he was the wrong choice.
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No Leadership From McCain?
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11/10/2008 8:41:59 AM
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Whoa, you are way over the line here Hound in so many ways. Talk about "hating." I guess since your man won. hating only works 1 way. Hating is all your party has done for 8 years. Personally, I will reserve my hating for when it is justified which, unfortunately, probably won't be to long. Until then, have a wonderful life.
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.No, that's not what I said
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11/10/2008 9:00:14 AM
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No, I don't hate John McCain, although he ran a campaign based on fear and hate. I just didn't want him to be our President, for all the reasons we have beat to death in these discussions.
I'm just merely saying that John McCain will have the chance to demonstrate why all those people that voted for Obama were wrong -- he can show off his ability to be bipartisan and show his leadership ability with the remaining Republicans in the Senate. I think everyone here is a little concened that both the House and Senate are now being led by Democrats -- they have the opportunity to show that they can be responsible. I would prefer a little more balance.
Past the election, I'm reserving my opinion on Obama. We'll see how he implements and executes his promises, plus how he deals with current and future challenges. We've given him his chance. He has 4 years, starting JANUARY.
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Funny!!!
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11/10/2008 1:07:09 PM
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How any opinion contrary to yours is considered negative. I guess there are about 57 million negative people out there. I'd still rather be considered negative than a "hater" I suppose, or perhaps, you can label me that as well.If you can, please back it up.
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MartiniMan
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Hate, Hate, Hate
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11/10/2008 8:08:08 PM
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I would like you to define what constitutes hate and fear. Give me specific examples where McCain was hateful. You throw around that term but frankly it seems to me that anyone that disagrees with your world view is a hate monger and trying to use fear.
If you want hate look at the awful things people said about Sarah Palin, spreading rumors about the father of her Downs Syndrome son. That is hate pure and simple. If you want hate, look at the things people on the left have said about Bush and Cheney for the last 8 years. That is hate!
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Talullahhound
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Hate, Hate, Hate
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11/10/2008 10:38:38 PM
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I think that the use of the "teror levels" (red, yellow, green) were trying to instill fear in people. Every time something negative came out about the Administration. It got to be quite a joke in Washington. They finally stopped it when they realized that no one was paying attention anymore.
I think that McCain trying to allude to Obama with "terrorist" associations; trying to paint him as an Muslim because his middle name is Hussein and referring to his policies as socialist was both hateful and trying to instill fear in people. John McCain's continued insistence that he was constantly "fighting".
I don't believe that the Obama campaign had anything to do with the nasty things said about Sarah Palin's child. I think those stories came out of some disgruntled people and the media picked them up. Heck, it could be the McCain aides that leaked those things, given all the nasty things they've had to say since the election.
You know, I realize you can't understand why I feel so negatively about this Administration, but don't forget, I worked for this Administration. Do you know that Rumsfeld intended to overhaul the military and not include the Generals in the discussion. Do you know that Doug Feith started is own "intelligence" office as an adjunct to his office because he didn't like the intelligence that the CIA was coming up with? They overhauled the civilian personnel performance system so that they would have leverage (and the ability to get rid of ) over people who dared to raise a dissenting opinion. Rumsfeld summarily dismissed anyone that didn't agree with him -- not just staff, but his own executives. The Snowflakes were no joke either -- some offices got 50 in a week and they all had a 24 hour turnaround time.
And there was a general attitude of shouting, screaming and pounding on the desk. That changed once Feith, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld left. I think I mentioned here that my boss worked directly for Doug Feith. And I can tell you from personal experience, the man is a raging idiot. I know people who know and worked for Cheney. I used to routinely go to meetings at the NSC and State and Commerce. I'm not bragging, but I would like you to understand my perspective.
Maybe when you live and work in Washington, you are just hyper aware of what is going on. People talk about it, you live with it, you read about it. There is almost no "local" news in Washington. So forgive me if I'm jaded.
I've probably just seen too much.
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I don't think anyone who disagrees with me as negative -- no more than y'all accuse me of being stupid, an idiot or any other of the names I've been called for daring to disagree. I think most of the people here are intelligent and their life experiences and thoughts bring them to think a certain way, just as mine lead me to how I believe.
I just think that before everyone starts tar and feathering Obama before he even takes office. I worked in Washington for almost 20 years and I have a different perspective
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Talullahhound
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And BTW
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11/10/2008 10:54:53 PM
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My feeling about being jaded (also tired) is one of the reasons I took an early retirement. I think when you are serving your govenment and you get jaded, it's time to go. The other reason I retired is because I knew that Obama would run for President and he would need my support here in Alabama (obviously I'm only kidding).
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lamont
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Hmmmmm...
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11/11/2008 8:10:23 AM
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In your own words...."His posts are always so negative"....... In addition, who has called you an idiot or stupid? I missed that one. As far as your 20 years in Washington, that explains one he!! of a lot. Glad you volunteered that. I now have a whole new perspective.
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Talullahhound
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Hmmmmm...
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11/11/2008 9:35:50 AM
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It is what it is. Glad I'm not there now. Staffs right now are pulling their hair out writing briefing books for the transition. Every newbe gets his OWN briefing book, so it not like you make one and then print it. The departing Administration will be trying to get a bunch of things done too -- not necessarily headline stuff, but things that need to be worked just the same. Plus, there is a lot of apprehension about the incoming appointees. Will they be jerks or will they be okay...
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MartiniMan
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IS THAT IT?!?!?
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11/11/2008 10:46:51 PM
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Tell me its more than threat levels and pointing out Obama's ties to Bill Ayers. That may not matter to you because you suffer from BDS but it did matter to a lot of people. Its funny, but it apparently bothers you more for McCain to be associated with Bush than for Obama to be closely associated with an unrepentant terrorist that killed people and a minister that damned America. HOW SICK IS THAT? HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY THAT TO YOURSELF?? But that's the demented world we live in today when Democrats see George Bush as a bigger enemy than al Queda. That is hate. That is fear.
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