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water_watcher
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Obama will "rule"
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11/16/2008 4:55:37 PM
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On the Sunday morning talk shows there was an Obama spokeswoman on an she was asked that there are tough issues facing america and what is Obama doing as part of the transition to be ready. She was "very negative" that Obama does not want advice from Bush and the republican team but Obama will be ready to "rule" day one.
The interviewer then asked what she means by "rule"? She said I don't understand the question. So the guy said the term rule is usually used for kings or even dictators and in a democracy we use the term "govern". The woman (who was black) got very annoyed and said, call it want you want but Obama was elected to rule and that is what he will do.
Wow ... it was shocking. Sean Hanity is already playing parts of the clip ...
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Talullahhound
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Obama will "rule"
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11/16/2008 5:10:29 PM
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I wouldn't hold this against Obama because he has a spokesperson who used the wrong word. She may have been embarassed by being called on using the wrong word. I haven't seen anything yet, since he hasn't even taken office yet, to make me think he plans to "rule". People say dumb things all the time. Even here.
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GoneFishin
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Obama will "rule"
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11/16/2008 6:46:15 PM
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The spokeswoman Valerie Jarrett has been named a Sr Advisor in the White House. She was being very honest that there is only one President a a time. If she used "rule" and she means exactly what she said. Come January 19, 2009, Obama will replace the "rules" of Bush/Cheney with the "rules" of Obama. Waterman, you need to accept it and quit complaining over every thing that is said.
Hannity and his side kick Rushboy need something for ratings. This is great for them so you are just drinking their kool aid as you like to say. Possibly, Valerie misspoke just as the good Gov Palin did a time or two. Maybe, it was really just to enhance SNL ratings.
You need to worry about that felon Stevens. Looks like he is going down the tubes in Alaska and Coleman only leads the comedian by 200 votes.
Waterman, you and your fellow Republican need to be more positive, otherwise, the next four years will be miserable for you guys.
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GoneFishin
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The Interview
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11/16/2008 6:54:33 PM
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URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7Nlq80DVpo
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I don't hold it against, but something is wrong that people in his administration can even mistakenly use the wrong word. It is a reflection of their thinking. All I have seen out of him and the people he has started to pick is lack of leadership and verbal mistakes. So far BO has taken two positions, he thinks we should bail out the UAW unions and wants another government handout with stimulus checks. I was against the first since they never work, now he wants to do another.
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Talullahhound
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Hound
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11/16/2008 10:41:01 PM
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Did you watch the interview with himm on 60 Minutes tonight?
I am a little disappointed that he favors saving GM, but at least he said the right things about it not being just a handout and that certain strings would be attached. And that they would have to consider all the support industries too, not just GM.
I'm disgusted by everyone that now wants a bail out. I can't help but wonder where all the money is coming from and what the long term effect will be. I understand that they are trying to stimulate the economy right now, and yes, putting that many people out of work right now would not be good for the country; but, it's easy to do the expedient thing and punt on the long term.
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I agreed with the bail out of banking since if you let the banking system fail it is a huge mess and innocent people are hurt significantly and it would take years to recover, if we did. That bailout was to prevent failures and keep liquidity in the systems. I do not agree with bail outs of manufactures. That is both a supply/demand issue and a cost issue. In the case of US car companies their costs are too high ... UNIONS .... and people are not buying cars.
I do not see how loaning money to GM so they do not go in to bankruptcy fixes anything. It does not make people buy more cars or cut costs. If they go in to bankruptcy they do not close their doors (just like delta), but they have time to restructure and cut costs to come out of bankruptcy healthier. If after submitting a restructuring plan they need a loan from the feds, that is when it should be considered.
I did not see the interview.
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lamont
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Great Point GF.....
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11/17/2008 7:58:19 AM
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Like Hannity and Rush really need a boost in ratings. They seem to carry the day, as opposed to the extinct Liberal Talk Shows, regardless of who is in power. Yeah, Fox, Rush, Hannity, Boortz, etc., are really struggling. They did just fine with Bush in office for the last 8 years and it is my educated guess, they will continue to dominate their liberal counterparts.
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au67
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Hound
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11/17/2008 9:24:30 AM
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You "wonder where all the money is coming from"...simply put, it's higher taxes for everyone who pays taxes!!! As GF so eloquently states the case, "get over it".
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MartiniMan
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Freudian slip
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11/17/2008 9:40:31 AM
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I don't have a moments doubt that many in the new administration view Obama's ascendency will result in his "ruling over us". It's not unique to him but is a fundamental tenet of liberal ideology with regard to government. Of course it was a slip of the tongue because they don't want the average voter that they bamboozled into thinking he was a moderate to know what they really are planning. As I have long said, we will see how he chooses to govern (ideologically or ambitiously) but I would say that looking at his "inside the beltway" team that he is building it is not encouraging. So much for hope and change. All we are going to get is a redux of the early years of Clinton administration and its liberal ideology and partisanship.
GF, as for our happiness quotient, numerous studies have shown conculsively that conservatives are significantly happier and live longer than liberals so don't worry about us. I would be more worried about yourselves and all the bitter liberal homosexuals in California beating up old ladies carrying crosses. Now that's a fine example of happiness and tolerance. How much do you want to bet me that every single one of them voted for Obama?
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Lady
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Obama will "rule"
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11/17/2008 4:49:38 PM
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My, how soon you forget....."But I'm the decider, and I decide what is best." (GWB) Sounded like a dictator to me!
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Talullahhound
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Obama will "rule"
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11/17/2008 5:07:24 PM
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Good point!! And that was from GWB himself, not a spokesperson.
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MartiniMan
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Try some context and honesty
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11/17/2008 5:08:17 PM
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This quote was about one specific issue and that is whether Don Rumsfield should stay in his current position. The President is the decider as to who is in his cabinet and this is clearly a far cry from someone who views a position that is intended to be one of service as ruling over the American people (recognizing that this was a statement by a senior person in his future administration). Try a little intellectual honesty for a change and don't assume that we won't go looking for the source and context of a quote you are using in order to make some sort of hair-brained point. At least GF and Hound make it a challenge now and then.
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Talullahhound
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.Real person
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11/17/2008 5:08:52 PM
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Did you watch the 60 Minutes interview last night?
and he's meeting with JMcCain today too. I would think you would cut him some slack.
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MartiniMan
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Hound snuck in there
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11/17/2008 5:09:37 PM
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I take back my backward compliment of Hound on this one since she agreed with you before looking at the actual quote and the context.
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Talullahhound
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Try some context and honesty
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11/17/2008 5:11:58 PM
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But, Obama didn't refer to himself as "ruler". It was some spokesperson who probably hadn't thought about how a term like that would come across.
I think maybe y'all are reading a bit much into this.
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Talullahhound
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Hound snuck in there
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11/17/2008 5:13:56 PM
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I only remember the quote because he said "I'm the decider" which is pretty strange grammar for someone who graduated from Yale and is the President. I honestly didn't remember the context.
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MartiniMan
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.Real person
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11/17/2008 5:16:31 PM
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Of course he is a real person. But I have significant problems with ANY PERSON (let alone politician) that has the past associations with people like Wright and Ayers and organizations like ACORN. I refuse to give him the benefit of the doubt because he hasn't a shred of credibility in his past that would lead me to believe he is remotely moderate on any social or economic issue. Unlike the mind-number masses that watched his ads and infomercials and the over-the-top behavior of the sycophants in the media I did my own research, including reading portions of his own writing that convinces me he is exactly wrong for the country.
So, the evidence to date is overwhelming that he will "rule" as an ideological leftist. He can prove me wrong and if he does I will admit it. But for now the burden of proof is that he will "rule" exactly as I predicted. And don't get me wrong, I would love to admit one or two years from now that he is actually a moderate and not a reflexive liberal because that would clearly be better for the country, albeit a distant second to a true fiscal and social conservative.
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MartiniMan
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Hound snuck in there
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11/17/2008 5:20:24 PM
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Understood, but her point was that Bush was likewise presenting himself as a ruler which is clearly false and misleading. As for his grammar, at least we weren't treated to 57 um's and uh's like we get from Obama when he is off teleprompter. I do litigation work as an expert witness and attorney's ears always perk up when they hear those delays. It almost always means the person is either lying or trying to figure out what the audience wants to hear rather than stating what they believe. Bill Clinton was much better at this and he always looked to the right when he was lying or making it up.
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MartiniMan
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Thats what I said..reread
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11/17/2008 5:22:30 PM
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water_watcher
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Seriously Hound
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11/17/2008 5:57:08 PM
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Don't you get tired of saying all these things don't matter? At what point do you start questioning his associations, :spreading the wealth, his voting record, his change in position on taxes, etc and start to say there may be a problem here. I know everyone wants to love him, but the media cut him a break throughout the election and people, including you, keep dismissing all these things as not important. Individually many of them can be dismissed, but collectively there is a pattern .... a serious problem.
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Talullahhound
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Seriously Hound
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11/17/2008 9:50:18 PM
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I can't get excited about what some "spokesperson" says.
I can't think of him as a true leftist liberal when he is willing to have a Republican in his cabinet. I want to see what kind of people he appoints to his cabinet. I want to see what he does with the economy. I want to hear more about why he wants to bail out the car industry. He made a comment last night that it wasn't feasible to let GM file bankruptsy and reorganize, but he didn't say why. A friend thinks it has to do with contracts with dealers and vulnerability to law suits. I guess I just want to see what he does once he takes office.
I have to give him the benefit of the doubt, since he is going to be my President and he hasn't taken office yet. I'm not totally embracing him yet, because I think there are a lot of hard challenges ahead. He has promised transparency and we'll see if that is true.
I don't care about Bill Ayers and all that election trash. You know as well as I do that just as many things were said about Sarah Palin -- I saw tapes of her making a speech in a church saying she believed that we were in a religious war... There were reports that she banned books (she later disputed) and other equally questionable items.
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Talullahhound
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Uh... I'm not sure
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11/17/2008 9:57:24 PM
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I'm not sure I buy that uhs and ahs mean a person is lying. That would mean that almost everyone I've heard publically speak is lying. That's just a speech pattern and I don't think that by itself it is indicative of lying. Now if you combined it with evasive body language, I'd consider it.
Maybe he should consider a Dale Carnagie course.
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MartiniMan
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Uh... I'm not sure
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11/18/2008 10:08:03 AM
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You may be right that he is not lying but all I can tell you based on my expert witness work that he is doing one of two things: 1) he is lying; or 2) he is thinking about the ramifications of telling the truth and whether a lie would be better and what would be a better lie. Maybe he is the exception to the rule but I doubt it.
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Talullahhound
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I think that is it
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11/18/2008 10:35:26 AM
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I think what you are seeing is someone stalling for a few seconds of time to frame a response. I don't know if it involves lying.
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MartiniMan
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Election trash
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11/18/2008 1:05:51 PM
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I am surprised to hear you say that past associations don't matter. I suspect if we were talking about a Republican with ties to a neo nazi or skinhead group that had bombed a government building that you would be singing an entirely different tune. But then again that is the definition of liberalism....the ability to have different sets of standards.
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Talullahhound
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Election trash
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11/18/2008 4:28:57 PM
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In the case of Bill Ayers, it happened back in the late 60's/early 70's which you may or may not remember was an incredibly turbulent time. I was in high school in the early 70's and can remember only too well how strongly people opposed the Viet Nam war. It was the time of Jerry Rubin and "Revolution for the Hell of it". I don't believe he is currently advocating a violent overthrow of the government or bombing anything. People grow up and they change. So if a Republican candidate had an association with a former skinhead or some kind of other person that was radical in their youth, and they were now in their 40's or 50's and not currently advocating anything, I'd feel the same way.
I don't think it is any more a "liberal" outlook as it is an adult outlook. I don't believe I'm a political sterotype any more than I think you are. We just have a different view of Obama.
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SPEARFISHER
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Seriously Hound
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11/18/2008 4:51:44 PM
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Why even after the election is over and Gov Palin is back home in Alaska do you keep comparing the stuff she did to what Barry Soetoro did???? Are you scared to compare him to the top spot just like you were during the election??
If Ayres does not bother you does the fact that he was registered in a school in Indonesia as a muslem bother you??
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Swimmer27
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Seems to me that.....
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11/18/2008 5:59:35 PM
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... I remember you refering to Timothoy Mcviegh wehn speaking of the far right in regards to associations and the like. So what Mcviehg did was wrong, and ayers is OK ciz it was so long ago. WHAT MALARKY!!
Ayers only quit bobmbing when he discovered a BETTER way. That BETTER way to undermine the education system, turn schools into indoctranation centers and take over from within. Unfortunately, his plan is working all to well. Research his books, and his work 'with the schools' and you can see for yourself, he is just as big a radical now as he was then. Be brags about' beating the rap' for his bombings. YOU should be ashamed.
Eric Holder as AG?? Wasn't he the one that was knee deep in the Mark Rich pardon scandal??
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Talullahhound
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Seriously Hound
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11/18/2008 7:01:12 PM
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I hadn't heard that Bill Ayers attended school in Indonesia as a Muslim... or are you talking about Obama. No, that doens't bother me, either. HE WAS A CHILD. It wasn't a choice he made, I believe his father sent him there. Since then, I think he's attended a few other schools.
You know, this is very likely why top people do not run for public office in this country. Every aspect of their life is examined frame by frame as though every single thing holds some kind of clue. I think y'all are going to increasingly find it impossible to like any candidate because a younger generation has had more exposure and are likely to have done more things you might find objectionable. How will you feel in the future when candidates were treated for ADAD when they were children? Or if they tried cocaine? Not every kid coming up today is a member of Young Republicans....
So no, I don't care. I don't care about any of this stuff. I care about what he stands for today. I care about what he will accomplish as President.
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Talullahhound
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Seems to me that.....
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11/18/2008 7:01:29 PM
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Whatever...
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ecstasypoint
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Seems to me that.....
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11/18/2008 8:00:16 PM
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seriously hound, when are you going to realize that you have identified yourself as a woman on this formum, and therefore, unless you can post a picture proving that you are hot, no one really wants to hear your logical summations of reason based on experience. Look around. Are you new here in Alabama? The boys will never ever give you a serious thought. In fact, they have driven every reasonable woman off the board already. Catherine....I don't know. It's a pen name I think. I feel your pain as you try to find someone to carry on conversation with on this lake you have chosen to live on. God love ya. Keep posting. I'm sure freshgal will pray that you find your way.
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Talullahhound
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Seems to me that.....
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11/18/2008 9:11:43 PM
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Glad you cleared that up.. (smile)
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| Name: |
lamont
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Yeah Ecstasy....
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11/19/2008 9:39:08 AM
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I am sure it is all about her "gender." Probably has nothing to do with her political views. Face it, this board simply has a lot more conservatives than liberals. If this upsets you, may I suggest moveon.org?
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Talullahhound
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I think
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11/19/2008 9:49:01 AM
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y'all our equal opportunity liberal bashers. LOL, LOL!
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| Name: |
lamont
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I Don't Consider It Bashing
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11/19/2008 10:22:40 AM
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Just a simple difference of opinion.
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ecstasypoint
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Yeah Ecstasy....
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11/19/2008 2:59:16 PM
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Actually lamont, no you may not make a suggestion. It has amazed me from the beginning that most on this board are so hellbent on dividing everyone up into groups: liberal/conservative. Not that it is any of your business, but I do not agree with the hound on many things nor did I vote as she did. I don't want to be put in one of your categories, please. It kills me the way everyone always talks about how y'all southerners are so friendly. Take a way the sugar and the howdy and you have a lot of divisive angry people who can't type fast enough to spew at you properly.
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lakerlady
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Yeah Ecstasy....
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11/19/2008 11:35:03 PM
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If you don't like the south or us southerners, feel free to leave. If you find you don't like the north, east or west either, feel free to leave. Under one condition I will pay for your ticket, take O with you.
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| Name: |
lamont
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Actually Estasy
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11/20/2008 11:26:35 AM
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We Southernors do tend to be a good bit friendlier than our Northern counterparts. I guess you think having a different opinion makes one"unfriendly." Also, why is it that a "conservative," like me, has no problem being called a conservative. I actually like being called a conservative. Liberals, on the other hand, hate being labeled a Liberal. Very few Liberals will confess to being Liberal. Anywho, if this label offends you, I send my deepest apologies becuse I would hate to be labeled "unfriendly." Have a great day.
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ecstasypoint
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Actually Estasy
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11/20/2008 11:43:30 AM
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Since you asked, I will attempt an answer. But I can only base my answer on opinion. In order to answer, though, I have to make a distinction between a fiscal conservative and a social conservative. A fiscal conservative is typically a person who has some money and wants to keep it. A social conservative tends to be one who thinks he knows what is best for the lives of others who are not him. He is typically well-pleased with his strong opinions about what others may or may not do. So he has no quarrel with being called a conservative because he cannot be persuaded that there is any other way to see things other than the way he sees them. A social liberal, though, typically does not believe that he knows what others should do and think, therefore, he finds it offensive to be told who he is.
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lamont
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Wow
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11/20/2008 12:00:34 PM
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Thaty certainly clears things up. Typical Elitist approach.
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