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Talullahhound
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What, no Palin supporters?
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7/5/2009 7:51:19 PM
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Seems that conservatives are totally confused as to why their "savior" suddenly left office for a "higher calling". Surely it has nothing to do with God -- must be national politics. When will we be hearing about the book -- when she defends all her craziness, blames it on the media (and no doubt the McCain camp) and points out how she has all the answers. And then she can discuss them on the rubber chicken circuit.
I guess she doesn't embrace a "conservative" value of serving the people who she took an oath to lead. Things were getting a little too sticky for her in Alaska, and actually being the governor and running the state was not nearly as exciting as running for VP (Thank God she weren't elected). Of course, it's the media's fault. I guess she misunderstood the saying "When the going gets tough, the tough get going".
And this coming on the heels of Sanfords downfall.
Is it a job requirement that you have to be crazy to be governor?
There is a billboard on 63 where someone has stenciled "Sarah Palin in 2012". Heaven Help Us. Or maybe that person believes that the world really will end on December 21, 2012.
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water_watcher
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What, no Palin supporters?
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7/5/2009 7:58:21 PM
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She successfully ran a state. Remind me again Obamas qualifications. Community organizer. And 144 days in the senate.
I like Sarah. I think she is smart and has done an excellent job as govenor. I can not say if I would support her if she runs for president. depends on the other candidates. But I can tell you if she is the nominee ... I will support her and she would do a million times better job than the sorry excuse we now "call" president.
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water_watcher
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Hound ...
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7/5/2009 8:16:54 PM
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I know how hard this must be for you, that you lash out at Palin rather than admit the failures of the liberal approach. It must be tough to see all this happening and the "hope and change" Obama spoke of being what you see today. I know that is not what you wanted. It is not what any of us wanted.
I just checked the stock futures and they are already trading down significantly after what happened on Thursday. I am just hoping we get back to the level the market was when Obama took office. There is no reason it should not be other than BAD policy decisions.
I am sorry. You only have a little more than 3 years left to support his failed policy and the ruins he is creating of our country.
But we all wait to see where he goes on his next saurday night date. That will surely make the news. Just like his bowling and david Letterman appearence and bowing to a king and flying over NYC to have pictures taken of airforce one without air clearence. But he is the president he can do whatever he wants.
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JustAGuy
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What, no Palin supporters?
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7/5/2009 8:24:40 PM
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I don't follow Alaska politics, so maybe you can fill in some gaps for me.
What has Gov. Palin done to indicate she "successfully ran a state"? What is the difference between successfull and unsuccessful?
What has she done or said that makes you think "she is smart and has done an excelletn job as governor"?
Again, I'm not saying she isn't smart or that she hasn't been a good governor .... well, okay, I have to admit I don't think she is very smart, but after learning more I could change my mind.
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water_watcher
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What, no Palin supporters?
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7/5/2009 8:26:54 PM
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You are showing your lack of intellegence again. Sorry, I can educate you after all this time. Try BING.com
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JustAGuy
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What, no Palin supporters?
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7/5/2009 8:37:38 PM
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And you are confusing intelligence with knowledge. I am very intelligent, and I am knowledgeable about some topics, but Alaskan government is a topic on which I am not knowledgeable.
Since you posted your opinion that she has done a good job as governor, then you must be knowledgeable in this area, and I thought maybe you could enlighten me.
So, either you just want to argue, and not enlighten .... or you don't really know anything about Palin's job as governor, and you are just spouting the party line.
I wonder which it is ..... :)
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water_watcher
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What, no Palin supporters?
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7/5/2009 8:41:20 PM
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Anyone that has to tell someone they are intelligent ... is not. My job is not to "enlighten" you. You have your view, if you want to learn more, then research it. That is what intelligent people do ... oops. Guess you are not after all.
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MrHodja
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Weak
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7/5/2009 8:45:14 PM
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WW, you should be able to do better than that. What has she done right and what were the positive results?
NH
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JustAGuy
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What, no Palin supporters?
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7/5/2009 8:54:22 PM
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You posted "You are showing your lack of intellegence again". I simply responded that I am in fact intelligent. I'm no genius, I don't hold a PhD, but the people who know me would tell you that I am intelligent. Not knowledgeable in every area under the sun, but nonetheless, intelligent.
You posted 'my job is not to "enlighten" you'. I know it isn't your job, but I thought maybe you could do it anyway. Why would you miss an opportunity to teach me a lesson? It seems that would be much more fun calling me justagirl .... ?
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water_watcher
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since you are lazy
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7/5/2009 9:03:19 PM
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again ... the response was not to you and because you are too uninformed and too lazy yourself ... here you go:
Under her leadership, Alaska invested $5 billion in state savings, overhauled education funding, and implemented the Senior Benefits Program that provides support for low-income older Alaskans. She created Alaska’s Petroleum Systems Integrity Office to provide oversight and maintenance of oil and gas equipment, facilities and infrastructure, and the Climate Change Subcabinet to prepare a climate change strategy for Alaska.
During her first legislative session, Governor Palin’s administration passed two major pieces of legislation - an overhaul of the state’s ethics laws and a competitive process to construct a gas pipeline.
She is chair of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission, a multi-state government agency that promotes the conservation and efficient recovery of domestic oil and natural gas resources while protecting health, safety and the environment. She was recently named chair of the National Governors Association (NGA) Natural Resources Committee, which is charged with pursuing legislation to ensure state needs are considered as federal policy is formulated in the areas of agriculture, energy, environmental protection and natural resource management.
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kirbys dropwing
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What, no Palin supporters?
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7/5/2009 9:04:04 PM
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when you don't know and you want to.. educate yourself .it sticks alot longer .Also , an opinion is just that , you don't and can't know unless you research yourself. Believe no one.
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MrHodja
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What, no Palin supporters?
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7/5/2009 9:04:55 PM
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Interesting post. Generally you don't attack and this one is out of character. I have agreed with you in the past that I am not sure she is ready, and like the Michael Jackson deal this is being blown way out of proportion to its real significance.
(said in jest) Maybe we need a real catastrophe for the media to glom on to instead if this drivel.
It is up to Palin to prove her value as a serious presidential contender. She does have experience running a state, something the the Messiah lacked. Unfortunately her introduction as a serious national candidate was rushed and handled abysmally. I am willing to listen to what she says as the months go by, but while I am fundamentally a conservative, she hasn't exactly tripped my trigger quite yet.
Nasreddin Hodja
PS: The lake was great this weekend.
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MrHodja
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since you are lazy
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7/5/2009 9:06:54 PM
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That's more like it.
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JustAGuy
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since you are lazy
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7/5/2009 9:13:09 PM
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Thanks WW .... see, I actually enjoy information, and now I can go and look into the things you mentioned. If true, then it would seem to me that Palin has done a good job as governor of Alaska. In fact, if she was doing such a good job, it sure is a shame that she is stepping down. You know, that whole "oath of office" thing. :)
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MrHodja
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What, no Palin supporters?
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7/5/2009 10:26:50 PM
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So, following your "believe no one" logic, how do you propose, in practical terms, that one find the truth?
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I'm not comparing Obama and Palin -- why are you? Is that the best you can do? As of this morning, Obama hasn't quit his job. But, Sarah Palin has. And what is her reason for quitting?
I've always thought she was flighty and ill-informed. She is
not disciplined in her thinking or her actions.
If she was doing such a great job as governor, why would she just quit? It seems to me that when things are going great, seasoned politicans generally stick with it.
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water_watcher
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She has class
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7/6/2009 7:57:45 AM
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and the best interest of her state at heart. She realized that all the media attention on her that has not ended since the election .... which is odd. What is the liberal media afraid of with her? Why do they focus so much on her every move and give Obama a pass on everything. They must be scared of something and are intent on influencing the public.
Sarah saw this and how it could impact the great work she has done in the state so she stepped out of the spot light. Now lets see if the media leaves her alone. I bet not since they still fear she will run.
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Talullahhound
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She has class?????
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7/6/2009 8:28:22 AM
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Umm, I don't think so.
She took an oath of office. She's quitting without completing her term. She's sacrificing her state because she thinks she has some position in the national spotlight. I don't think that's class. Class is hanging in there, taking your licks and still doing a great job. This woman is out for herself.
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lazarous
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She has class?????
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7/6/2009 8:55:06 AM
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Every one is 'out for themselves'. If they are not, they are or liars. I think approval ratings by her own constituents in the 80's is proof enough for me tha she did a good job.
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architect
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She has class?????
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7/6/2009 9:06:28 AM
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Better check your stats. She once had an apprpval rating in Alaska of 70+ percent, not 80. In recent months her approval has taken a major hit (below 50% in some polls) with her inattention to her job as one possible reason. Obviously she is a child "If you don't like me anymore I'm taking my ball and going home". Lordy for the sake of our country I pray that this space cadet is not the best the Republicans can come up with!
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alahusker
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Help me understand
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7/6/2009 9:17:27 AM
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why Palin evokes sooo much negative passion, bordering on hatred, from socially left women??? I really don't understand....
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Talullahhound
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Help me understand
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7/6/2009 10:26:42 AM
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As a female, she embarasses me -- she's overly emotional, she's unprepared, and she is flightly. She is the conservative version of Nancy Pelosi.
I believe that the GOP just plucked her believing that because she was a woman, other women would vote for her. They in fact, used her.
It's not really political for me. I wouldn't like her no matter which party she belonged to -- just like I don't like Nancy Pelosi.
There are women out there who are serious. They are smart, they know the issues, they are articulate. They pay their dues. Those are the women I respect.
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AUCATZ
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What, no Palin supporters?
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7/6/2009 10:38:01 AM
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I would agree with WW and others. She would have to do more to prove herself before I would vote for her for Pres. Having said that, however, I like her because she is outspoken and frank. She doesn't say the politically-correct doublespeak that we hear from others, and that is refreshing. BO said whatever all those that voted for him wanted to hear, and look what we have now. Besides Pelosi, who I personally detest, the Dems other 'leading lady' is Hillary, and I could never, ever vote for her.
Mixing threads here a bit, someone asked what Palin's success was in running the state of Alaska, I would ask the same of Bill Clinton. He once made a comment to the effect that he put the state of Arkansas on the map and was responsible for that state's success. Arkansas residents by the droves replied that Sam Walton was the person most responsible for it, lol.
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MartiniMan
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Need to learn more
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7/6/2009 12:34:36 PM
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I like Sarah Palin in many ways but I need to better understand her thinking. On the one hand, if she is clearing the deck for something else I tend to think it is more honorable to leave an elected office rather than pretending you are doing that job when all you are really doing is running for another office. As for her having taken an oath of office, where does it say you have to stay in office and can never resign? Again, to me it is more honorable to say I can no longer fulfill the duties for which I was elected because of xyz than to pretend while running for something else.However, this is not the usual approach by politicians so who knows.
What is even more interesting to me is the amount of attention this is getting from the government media. They really do seem to fear her for some reason. I suspect it is because she is the antithesis of the typical feminist model for success. This really exposes their true agenda, which is why organizations like NOW should be NOLW, the L being liberal.
Hound does not like her due to her faith perspective because under any objective measure she is a very successful woman and in my view is more of a role model than someone like Hillary Clinton. For the life of me I can't understand denigrating her just because she was the governor of a state like Alaska. Being elected governor of any state is an accomplishment regardless of the state. She did not ride the coattails of a man to get there. Not her husband nor her father or any other man. That should be admired.
Was she ready to be brought onto the national stage as the VP candidate? Maybe, maybe not. But look who we now have as VP. It's hard to imagine she could be any worse.
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water_watcher
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She has class?????
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7/6/2009 2:07:34 PM
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I am sure from your biased political viewpoint you would see it that way. I personally think it is shameful what the media and people like Letterman have done. Her family, and all politicians families, should always be off limits unless it was an illegal act or something that would put their decision making ability in jeapordy.
I am sure the liberal democrats think she should have aborted her son and feel her daughter should have done the same. But instead, they stood by their beliefs and were pulled through the mud for it.
Again. The woman has more class than any, yes any, democrat I have ever seen. I would put her up against any one of the "stars" your party elected to the house or senate.
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water_watcher
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She has class?????
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7/6/2009 2:11:35 PM
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I am sure there will be many excellent candidates that will run. But look at the clowns they would have to run against.
Again I ask you ... since you will never answer the question ... what has the current administration done that you think is so great that you can be proud of. You avoided it last time by saying all that you don't agree with.
So what do you agree with ...??? Typical.
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water_watcher
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Help me understand
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7/6/2009 2:14:25 PM
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what about Condellesa Rice? I think that woman is great and should run. But it seems liberal woman like you dislike any woman that is a conservative republican and attack them.
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Talullahhound
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She has class?????
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7/6/2009 2:35:11 PM
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I happen to agree with you that families should be off limit. It has nothing to do with where you are politically.
What makes me liberal I suppose is that I think she should have a CHOICE to have her baby or to abort it. Her decision was between between her, her husband, her doctor and her God. I don't advocate abortion, but I don't want the government dictating a very private decision -- for conservatives or liberals.
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Talullahhound
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Help me understand
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7/6/2009 2:43:46 PM
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I actually had the honor of meeting Condi Rice. She is a brilliant woman with a track record of accomplishments in many different areas. You wouldn't catch her unprepared, or babbling. And you notice, she doesn't bash the current Administration.
I admire her. It's a shame she didn't choose a political career and perhaps she will reconsider in the future. I don't blame her for supporting her President and being part of his Administration. I don't agree with everything she believed in, but let me tell you, she kicked butt at the State Department and was a pretty good Secretary of State.
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water_watcher
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She has class?????
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7/6/2009 2:48:25 PM
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Wow, totally disagree on that issue. There is no excuse now a days that if you do not want a child how to prevent it. There is only one reason I ever think abortion should ever be allowed and that is for rape and only in the first trimester.
Other than that, it is not a woman choice. She and her partner make the choice when they decide to have sex either to have protection or not.
I never get how liberals can be for the "choice" to kill an innocent life, yet when it comes to the death penalty for repeated murders of innocent life, they are gainst killing someone like that. How do you see it OK to kill someone that can not defend themselves and be against killing someone that has made the choice to take the life of another person and destroy families and make the individual and families suffer.
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water_watcher
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7/6/2009 2:50:30 PM
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finally we agree on something. :)
BTW, I was suprised you did not make the wine tasting on the 3rd ... other than it being my birthday I would have liked to have met you.
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Talullahhound
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What, no Palin supporters?
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7/6/2009 2:58:32 PM
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I wouldn't vote for Hillary either. But even at that, you have to admit she's a strong, smart woman and I think she's actually doing a good job as Secretary.
It isn't that Palin speaks frankly that bothers me. I'm all for people speaking frankly. What I don't like about her, is that she doesn't seem to think she has to learn the issues. I don't particularly care if she is politically correct either. But, she has to be able to convince me she knows what she is talking about. She tried to cover up her lack of knowledge with "folksiness" just doesn't cut it; and this has continued even after the election. For me to respect her, there would have to be less rhetoric and more substance.
It's like the press conference she held to announce she was giving up her governorship. You can't convince me that she seriously thought about what she was going to say and how to best articulate her reasons. It's a huge job and an important one, yet she flips it off like she's quitting working as a counter girl at MacDonald's. (No offense intended if anyone owns or works at McD's).
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I think we all now know what Bill did to put Arkansas on the map... and without him, we'd never have known who Jennifer Flowers is.
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You are mischaracterizing why I don't like her. I don't care about her faith, which to me is between her and God.
I don't like her for the reasons I've outlined in several other posts.
As for Hiliary, I wouldn't vote for Hiliary because I don't agree with her politics, but I think she has proved that is a smart, strong woman. She's not afraid to take a stand and stick with it. And she might have used Bill as a springboard to get to where she wanted to be initially, but I think you'll find that a lot of people in Congress respect her because she does her homework. I think Bill was more of a hinderance to her in the campaign than a help.
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MartiniMan
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7/6/2009 4:23:31 PM
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Sorry if I mischaracterized your views of her because I recall during the election you voiced serious misgivings about her religious views and you often make negative comments about politicians who wear their faith on their sleeve.
But I still don't understand how you can justify your view of her given what she has accomplished on her own. As for Hillary, Bill may have been a hindrance but not his money. He was a prodigious fundraiser for her campaign despite the occasional gaffes. As I said, she may not have been ready for prime time and maybe not ready to be VP but she is a darn sight better than Joe Biden and you have to admire what she accomplished all on her own. If you don't, there has to be another agenda because the facts just don't support your view of her.
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Talullahhound
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Vanity Fair Article on SP
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7/6/2009 6:03:26 PM
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I hope this link works. Vanity Fair has an article in it's latest edition - written before SP announced her resignation.
I'm not making a value judgement since she declined to be interviewed for the article. I'm not even going to say it's interesting because it merely reinforces what I already thought and I don't think I got any new information from it or formed any new opinions. You can read it for yourself if you are so inclined and comment as you see fit.
URL: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/08/sarah-palin200908
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Talullahhound
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I'm wondering what she
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7/6/2009 6:08:30 PM
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really accomplished. I'll give her props for being elected governor, but my understanding is that they voted against her opponent not necessarily voted for her.
But, if she shows up in the 2012 race and has studied the issues and seems to know what she is talking about, and doesn't just seem to get by on rhetoric, then I'll give her her due.
My prediction is that she'll have faded into obscurity by that time. But, I've been wrong before.
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Talullahhound
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Help me understand
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7/6/2009 6:10:07 PM
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Happy Birthday. I had too much to prep for the family cookout on the 4th.
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Lady
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7/6/2009 6:54:47 PM
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If your question is sincere, here is my answer. I think Sarah has little intellectual abilities. I might like her as my next door neighbor, but I surely don’t want her in a position of power. I definitely want someone smarter than I to ‘be in charge’. I was appalled at her lack of knowledge as far as the countries in NAFTA and that she did not know that Africa is a continent. I wonder - if she looked like Madeline Albright, would anyone would have taken any notice of her at all? I think she feels that her perky demeanor and her wink are all she needs to succeed. I get the idea that her opinion is, “I’m Sarah - here I am!!!” She said on the campaign trail that, "Alaska is like a microcosm of America", which couldn't be less true. She has made so many false statements that it is hard to keep them straight. Her scandals and dreadful interviews haven’t helped with my opinion of her and her bizarre, rambling, nonsensical semi-coherent resignation certainly led me to think she’s not too stable. There are a number of women out there (both Republican and Democrat) who are clearly Vice-Presidential (or Presidential) material, but to me, Sarah is not one of them.
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alahusker
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Help me understand
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7/6/2009 10:08:42 PM
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A flighty, unprepared, emotional female.. Been married to one for 47 years.. She has never been a community organizer, so I can't vote for her for president.. But if Y'all launch the attacks Palin endured, I'll be some kind of upset..
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After 47 years, she must be doing something right. LOL
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Lady
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Help me understand
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7/11/2009 7:21:33 AM
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Peggy Noonan, conservative and former republican speech-writer, has this to say:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124716984620819351.html
URL: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124716984620819351.html
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