Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/26/2021 4:53:03 PM

https://wearechange.org/never-say-neigh-fda-lists-horse-drug-as-approved-covid-19-treatment/

What say all you liberals?

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/26/2021 7:06:36 PM

Okay, but it is not the other horse medicine that people were taking, which was for horse parasites.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/26/2021 7:55:17 PM

Dexamethasone is a steroid that has been used by humans for years for various medical problems. It is also prescribed for horses. It was approved for Covid in August. Can’t compared to Ivermectin which is primarily a “horse” medicine. Wonder who the "dumba$$" really is?

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/26/2021 8:12:24 PM

Ivermectin won the NOBEL PRIZE for use in humans in 2015 dumb@ass. 

Name:	fish1550 -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/26/2021 9:03:25 PM

I say "neigh", NOT FOR COVID.  I say it is not true.  Please give us a link to FDA website instead of the funny pages.  It 

is approved in humans for parasites.  

Name:	fish1550 -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/26/2021 9:09:01 PM

Close, but nope. Ivermectin was not awarded the Nobel Prize. Rather, the prize was awarded to two scientists for their discoveries involving the drug and it's use for parasites.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/26/2021 9:20:38 PM

Details don't matter to Lifer. Ride em cowboy and rid your horse of parasites......

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 6:29:42 AM

In humans.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 6:31:45 AM

Youare sooo smart, but don't know how to Google.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 8:04:25 AM

Goofy, Ivermectin is included in WHO's list of essential medications, which are put on the list due to their safety and effectiveness.  Ivermectin is on the list under intestinal anthelminthics.  It is not approved by the FDA for COVID although it is very effective and safe for human use.  It will probably never be approved for use to treat the virus in the U.S. because pharma companies don't make enough money off of it compared to the faux vaccines and the coming forever booster shots.  Follow the money.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 8:46:15 AM

The point of the post was to point out that MANY drugs are used in both humans and animals because of all the histeria about "horse meicine".  These idiots are too dumb to see it though.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 9:29:42 AM

Oh I got your point and I also fully expected them to not understand simple english.  At some point when they no longer need the emergency use authorization for the rMNA gene therapies both Ivermectin and HCQ will get approval for treatment of the ChiCom virus.  As soon as the pharma companies get maximum profit from those and no longer need to squelch safe, cheap treatment regimes by bribing politicians and 3rd rate scientists at the FDA, et al hoping to get a cushy post-govt job it will suddenly be approved.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 10:05:13 AM

Guess the NIH.gov site is the "funny papers"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/?fbclid=IwAR0PJvnz_xAFHkGcxPVcuOHC4hRYcFvgKgbQLlR1YY1UpH0ZC8Srryx5RNU

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 11:12:20 AM

I think the point is that a lot of medicines are effective for one thing and get appoved for a different use.  My dogs end up on medicines sometimes that I get from the "human" pharmacy.  Case in point, my dog has been prescribed Trazadone to keep him calm after his leg surgery, and I have taken it for years for sleep and it was actually first developed for depression.  

But the other point is that it isn't wise to just decide that some medicine prescribed for horses or in other human uses - like parasites, is going to work for something else, because someone on the internet or google says it does.  

To some extent, I agree with MM about the money trail, because big pharma is going to make sure they recoup their money to develop the vaccine and they are beholden to their stock holders.  But I don't think you can be stubborn about some medicine that has not been proven to work for a specific illness, just because certain people "wish it were so".  No doubt, given a lot of time, they could probably identify several medicines that are already out there that might prove valuable against COVID, but we were facing a pandemic and they needed find something that would work for the majority of people.  

Since it is not mandatory, then fine, don't take the vaccine if you have reservations or concerns about it, but don't push horse medicine which has not shown to be effective by the scientific community.  I don't have much faith in the Director of the CDC, who appears to be playing politics, but I do have faith in the Drs and scientists who toil nameless and faceless to the general public.  Not everyone is cynical and money driven, despite what you may think.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 11:24:28 AM

Actually there is plenty of evidence that Ivermectin is effective against the virus, including a recent meta-data study that concluded that it is robust when used early.  Most of the early studies of both Ivermectin or HCQ were used during advanced stages of the disease where it is not very helpful.  I suggest you look at the results in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh where they have widely used Ivermectin as a prophylactic and early treatment and since then they have had almost no deaths from the virus with a population of over 200 million. 

Like I said, a number of treatments will eventually be approved when they no longer need the emergency use authorization (which isn't possible when effective treatments are available).  By then, it will be too late because of the push for the gene therapies.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 11:40:53 AM

That may be true, but gene therapies are the way of the future and have shown to be extremely effective in fighting a number of diseases. If you have something that is known to be effective and works for the majority of people, then why, at this point, keep hammering on something that may or may not be effective?  Yes, perhaps on down the road, there will be other medicines that help people in poorer countries to control the virus, but I can live with getting 2 shots and then a booster every year.  But then, I also take the flu shot every year and most years, I don't get any strain of the flu.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 11:48:17 AM (updated 9/27/2021 11:49:50 AM)

Interesting fact: Ivermectin is effective if given very early in the disease, BUT patient’s responses to the infection vary from no illness to death, so isn’t it very possible that Ivermectin lovers are pointing out all the lesser illnesses of individuals and claiming victory while claiming those sicker just didn’t get the HOLY horse drug soon enough….seems entirely probable to me.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 12:59:00 PM

I reject the gene therapies because of all their negative consequences.  Why would you object to me using a medication that is equally effective as the gene therapies but with none of the adverse consequences?  What we are seeing right now was predicted.  A virus that takes a normal course becomes less deadly and less transmissive over time.  The mass vaccinations have caused the exact opposite as we were told by the chief inventor of the mRNA methods.  These are "leaky" inoculations that do not prevent infection.  What we need is a sterilizing vaccine that will put an end to this.  And given that the risk to younger people of the virus is lower than the inoculations it is madness to have them take it.....unless you financially benefit from mass inoculations....then it makes perfect sense.

So what you and others refuse to understand is that based on my research what we are currently doing is madness and God only knows what the long-term impact will be.  I am not anti-vaccine and will take a real vaccine when it is available.  I am strongly opposed to the experimental gene therapies masquerading as a vaccine because of what is actually happening right before our very eyes.  We are seeing the short-term impact with the formation of more deadly variants because of the inoculations.  And we will never see herd immunity because the spike proteins from the gene therapies prevent the body from creating natural antibodies.  The reality is that we have approached a point where the vaccinated are a danger to the unvaccinated and not the other way around.  And the political class can never admit this or change course because they know they will and should be blamed for what is happening.

And you also need to understand that this particular virus is unlike the common flu, it is a viral vascular endotheliitis.  It attacks the blood cells and blood vessels.  By the time people have severe symptoms (after 5 days or so) the virus is already pretty much gone and early treatments are useless. The damage has been done.  And intubating people with severe symptoms is malpractice and is killing people.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 1:03:20 PM

I suggest you look at what is happening in the Indian state of Uttar Predash regarding the widespread use of Ivermectin.  This is a state that has over 200 million citizens and it is working because they use it as a prophylactic and for early treatment where it is indeed effective. As I point out above in my response to Hound, taking it after its anti-viral properties can work is useless.  Take it early and it works as well as the gene therapies and will also allow the infected to develop natural antibodies, unlike the gene therapies.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 1:59:06 PM

I suggest you do a little research on the "vaccine".  The technolgy being used has been around for years and companies have tried to get FDA approval before for a couple of diferent "treatments" but could never get FDA approval becuase it was shown to dangerous.  Eveyone seems to think this technology was just invented/discovered when Covid hit.  Not the case.  

My question is if it is such a wonderul thing, why was it never given approval for any other treatment. 

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 3:16:20 PM

I can answer that for you....but I suspect you already know the answer.  It was rejected previously due to adverse reactions.  Specifically, when Moderna tried to use the technology to treat a disease called Criggler-Najjar they found that the doses that didn't cause adverse reactions were too low to be effective and doses that were high enough resulted in the technology being rejected.  I believe they claim now that the new "coating" works effectively but the few autopsies conducted on those that died from the vaccine showed it present in every organ in the body, including the brain, heart and reproductive organs.  I guess we'll eventually find out if their new miracle technology is actually working although I am skeptical.  It was supposed to stay in the muscle tissue of the arm but it isn't.  It's getting into the bloodstream and doing all kinds of damage.  Hopefully not long-lasting damage but it will be years before we know for sure.  Their original tests never even got out of the animal trial stage before being rejected.  And this all happened in 2017 so unless something miraculous happened in the next two years it may still be an issue.

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 3:16:53 PM (updated 9/27/2021 3:58:34 PM)

https://www.infowars.com/posts/4600-doctors-scientists-sign-declaration-accusing-covid-policy-makers-of-crimes-against-humanity/

A buddy of mine is taking horse ivermectin. Covid AND side effect free.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 6:20:51 PM

MM, I know you think highly of your own opinions, but to me, you are just another person with an opinion.  People tend to believe the research that supports their beliefs, and reject that which does not.  What they do in India is not really much interest to me as their standards of treatment are not as high in other places - understandably, because of their huge population and they have not had the access to the vaccine and are one of the countries complaining about it.  

You do you.  Everyone is ultimately repsonsible for their own healthcare and if your concerns make sense to you, then do what is right for you.  But stop trying to convince everyone else that you are right and the 80% of the population is wrong.  I don't care if the drug companies make money - hopefully they will plow a good portion of it into research for the next pandemic.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 6:26:15 PM

VAERS Update – Vaccine Deaths Reach 15,386* - Granite Grok

Keep taking those shots.  Your body Your Choice

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 8:33:20 PM

Let me break this down for you Hound.  Ivermectin and HcQ are safe drugs that have been used for years in humans and animals, now it has been discovered to treat Covid so some doctors prescribe it for treatment.   Prescribing a drug for something other than its usual use   called '"off label use".  You seem to think its ridiculous to use these drugs for off label use but the hypocracy is that you take Trazodone for sleep, AN OFF LABEL USE OF TRAZADONE.  It is catagoried as anti-deppressant but one of the side effects is deep sleep so it is prescibed for sleep.  Why is it you have no problem with "off label" use of a drug you personally benefit from, but are against off label use for other drugs that may save a life, not just give a good nights sleep.

This is not an attack on you, just pointing out that you seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth on the issue of anything to treat Covid except the "vaccine".  Read the link I posted about VAERS reporting of issues after vaxxing. 

Full disclosure, I also take Trazadone for sleep and love it. 

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 8:33:34 PM

80%?!?!?  I don't think so.  If the vax nazi's would give it a rest I would be happy to live my life the way I want.  But that sadly is not the case.  They are planning to cause me to lose my job along with millions of others because of their misguided approach.  Until that sh!t stops I am going to keep this up. If you don't like it or it makes you uncomfortable feel free to stop reading what I post.  My facts are real, albeit disconcerting to many.  I have never tried to convince anyone not to take the gene therapies.  I am providing them with actual facts to help them make an informed decision. But ultimately it should be up to each individual.  Right now it is headed in the other direction and I am going to fight it and inform.  Too bad if you don't like it.

And I should point out once again that I think you and others in your situation made the right choice in getting the inoculation.  If only those that made that choice would allow the rest of us to make our own choices all would be well.  But that is fairy tale land and I live in the real world.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/27/2021 8:35:13 PM

And VAERS has been estimated to undercount by anywhere from 90% to 99%.  If that many deaths from the vaccine have been reported you can reasonably multiply that number by 9 or 10.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/28/2021 8:33:14 AM

I'm well aware of off label use, and they often do find that what works for one illness works for another.  But the approval is done in a controlled environment and the side effects are noted.  In other words, people just aren't reading about something on the internet and deciding that they'll take it for another problem.  They usually are under medical solution.  

Now, I don't believe in vitamins and supplements - I personally believe they are a waste of money, and can be quite dangeroous if taken in the wrong dosage - more is not better.  I believe it is better to get your vitamins and minerals from the foods we eat and if we eat a healthy diet, there is no need for additional pills.  But I am not going onto various websites decrying that other people shouldn't take them.  You know it is big business, because every drug store you go into has aisles full of the stuff.  People believe in them.  Additionally there are the "brain" supplements that claim to help your memory - I've done research and my research has found that these claims are bogus.  But if you believe in it, and you think it is helping you, then so be it.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/28/2021 8:58:59 AM

I agree about vitamens. Take them and about all you get is very expensive urine.  That being said there are some cases where some folks need to take a vitamen supplement but I have a freind that takes a literal hand full of pills every day becuase each one os fro something different...lol.  They are also important to elder care where one might not be eating very well or for for folks who can't tolerate certain foods that are rich in some vitamens.

I still don't understand your stance on the "horse medicines" though.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/28/2021 9:27:29 AM (updated 9/28/2021 9:33:36 AM)

I never understood her reasoning behind smashing windows and destorying someone elses property if it would advance a social cause either - that was when she blocked me when I pointed out that she said she would happily join in riots if it advanced her cause or one she felt strongly enought about.

I felt she made some good points at times and with a view point of someone with years inside goverment gave something to think about, but that one was a bridge too far.   If you can use something as an excuse to commit a crime, what is to stop people from using it to justify stealing or murder if it is for the "right" cause.

At that rate, Joe Biden thinking it is the right thing to do could nuke Texas or Florida because they dont want to follow his vaxx mandate.

Name:	fish1550 -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/28/2021 2:50:22 PM

I do not. But this article does not say approved by FDA for Covid.

Name:	fish1550 -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/28/2021 3:00:51 PM

One doesn't even have to know how to google to see the article was made up for people who believe everything written by the funny papers. Simply go to FDA.com and you will find that Ivermectin has NOT gotten FDA approval for Covid. Being hateful and condescending doesn't make it true nor does calling people stupid make you look smart. 

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/28/2021 4:33:33 PM (updated 9/28/2021 4:33:56 PM)

You need to go back and read moron

The NIH, CDC, WHO and FDA have all recommended dexamethasone – a corticosteroid which has shown efficacy in the treatment of severe covid. It’s also a commonly used drug to treat allergies in horses.

Dexamathasone - that is used to treat horses has now been approved to treat COVID.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/28/2021 4:39:30 PM (updated 9/28/2021 5:06:29 PM)

http://www.lakesonline.com/Forum/show.asp?id=224175&fid=D2493503-C07E-408B-A0FF-3F590C1FBF78&SiteID=AL004

Ill let you follow the link because I am not answering you twice - the origional post was about a different "horse drug" that has dual usage between horses and people, as we have been attempting to educate some of you that drugs can be used for animals and people and sometimes even off label if a DOCTOR decides, and it often happens without the government getting in the middle of your health care.

The fact that you did not read the origional article regarding which "horse drug" was approved for Covid by the FDA and all the other alphabets just shows your ignorance.

Sadly we can lead the horse ( well horses a$$ in this case ) to water, but you get the rest of it I am sure.

And to continue on my post that you responded to was regarding NIH study(s) indicating ivermectin for Covid-19 was effective and cheap, but I am guessing you disagree with the NIH.Gov information since you and the FDA have come out so hard against it, when there have been study after study ( around the world and by our own goverment as the .gov on the end of that NIH site should tell you something about it.  I posted what I did due to the fact that you are indicating that the NIH is the funny papers, and that only the FDA can be apparently be considered non-funny paper.  

Let me know when you decide to "follow the science", vs ranting politicans who now want 97%+ vaxxed to turn the corner, when just months ago we were hearing about herd immunity at less the 60%. 

Name:	fish1550 -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/28/2021 7:38:05 PM

I'm so stupid I can't find anywhere on that link where Ivermectin has been approved by the FDA for treatment of Covid. And that's what the first post in this thread states.  

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	MM….”gonna lose my job”
Date:	9/28/2021 11:02:19 PM

Tell us how people taking vaccine shots to fight Covid are going to cause you to lose your job.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/29/2021 5:52:41 AM

Nobody said it did dumb@ss.  try to keep up.  the article is not even about ivermectin and nobady claimed it was but you, who obviously couldn't be bothered to rea anything but the headline.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/29/2021 8:40:22 AM (updated 9/29/2021 8:41:27 AM)

Dear God,  I actually spelled it out more then once that the origional post that the approved "horse drug" was not ivermectin.  It included links to the FDA indicating that the steroid is what was approved.

So he did not read the origional post, posted something stupid, didnt read the responses, posted something stupid. If history tells me anything, we can count on him posting something else that is stupid.

I guess in his case you can lead the horse to water, but since he is so blind that he refuses to see -  then you better make sure that he does not drown from his on ignorance.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	MM….”gonna lose my job”
Date:	9/29/2021 8:43:13 AM (updated 9/29/2021 8:44:08 AM)

Can you explain how in this time of crisis we can afford to fire thousands of healthcare workers for personal healthcare decisions or why we are not vaxxing anything coming across the southern border before they are transported across the US?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	You not paying attention?
Date:	9/29/2021 8:44:40 AM

Unless you have been hiding under a rock you couldn't possibly have missed the little factoid that the Dementia Joe admin has ordered OSHA to develop regs that will force companies with more than 100 employees have to mandate that employees get vaxed or lose their jobs.  And in the current spending bill they tucked in a little provision that the fines go from around $14K to as much as $700K for violations of this regulation. 

That is what I was referring to and am more than a little surprised that you are that unaware.  Like I said to Hound, I have never critiqued anyone that made a personal health decision to get vaccinated.  Everyone should be allowed to make this decision or not.  Unfortunately the imperial govt and vax zealots don't want me and tens of millions of others to be able to make our own choice.  And their argument that we are a threat to the vaxed is sure not much of an argument for the efficacy of the vaccines.  Call me crazy, but if you are vaxed and are worried about the unvaxxed it tells me that you have zero confidence in the vaccine.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	MM….”gonna lose my job”
Date:	9/29/2021 8:51:03 AM

Wix is just one of those that got the vax and is adamant that we all follow his lead.  Weird to me that he is willing to give up freedom on this issue for faux security.....which of course he will get neither.  I am quite sure he'll tell us the unvaxxed are a threat to the vaxxed, which sure doesn't say much about their confidence in the product.  Can't say that I blame them.  The vast majority thought it would protect them from getting the virus and could take off their masks.  Fooled ya!  It is a leaky vax at best when we need a sterilyzing vax....something that has never happened with a virus.  Wix just needs everyone to be vaxxed so he can feel confident in his personal decision......me, not so much.

Name:	fish1550 -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/29/2021 2:11:49 PM

You are correct. My mistake.

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	"horse medicine" get FDA approval
Date:	9/29/2021 7:22:36 PM

https://thepostmillennial.com/experts-say-influenza-fell-due-to-covid19/

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	MM….”gonna lose my job”
Date:	9/29/2021 9:20:38 PM (updated 9/29/2021 9:22:13 PM)

Just had a doc appointment this afternoon, and learned from staff that doc had refused vaccine for usual MM political BS reasons, and he got Covid about 3 months ago and was out of work for weeks, so his large staff was out of a job also.  How many patients did he pass the disease to…..unknown.  Where did he get disease???  Will never know….as a Derm, he sees 50-60 patients per day.  This is how disease spreads.  I’m proud to say, I’ve had my three shots….and still upright!

P.S.  You still didn’t answer my question on how you would lose you job???

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Look at my post right below this one
Date:	9/30/2021 9:23:19 AM

I answered your question a while ago......quite convingly I might add. So close if it were a snake it would have bit you.

Sorry to hear about your doctor.  Want me to start providing similar stories about people's lives lost or ruined after taking the vaccine?  You see, two can play the anecdote game.  I have lots of tearful videos of people who lost love ones to the vaccine or have life changing conditions caused by them and can no longer work or live a normal life. Will break your heart.

I guess I have to repeat myself because apparently people can't comprehend something until I say it multiple times. 

One, I do not and have never thought the virus was a hoax. Overstated in its impact (both in numbers of cases and deaths), but not a hoax.  I have stated repeatedly that it is very serious, especially for those over age 65 and with co-morbidities. And given the mass vaccinations the variants are not becoming less virulent like they would for a normal virus that is allowed to run its course.

Two, I have never and will never criticize someone for making a personal health care decision to get vaccinated and have actually agreed with those that did so given their age and other health issues. But it is utter madness to innoculate younger people with little to no chance of being hospitalized or dying from the virus, especially given the total lack of understanding of the long-term consequences of these gene therapies.

Three, based on science, data and peer reviewed studies I believe that early treatment with Ivermectin or HCQ, Z-pac and steroids is as effective in preventing serious illness from the virus as the mRNA gene therapies masquerading as a leaky vaccine. And as we have seen in Israel and states like Vermont the impact to the vaccinated and unvaccinated will be more and more similar over time. 

Four, the masks that 99% of the people use are essentially useless as it appears is social distancing, much to my surprise. And lock downs have caused far more harm than the benefits they were supposed to provide.

Finally, if  those of you that are vaccine zealots and the govt would leave the rest of us alone to live our lives the way we decide we wouldn't be having this conversation.  And don't tell me that we are a hazard to you because all that tells us is that you too realize the so-called vaccines don't work.