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MartiniMan
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Paucity of any good economic news
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7/22/2011 6:15:42 PM
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As we live through the hell of Jimmy Carter's (the worthless one) second term is it just me or is there a complete lack of any good economic news? And we know if there were some the government media would be all over it. But there just isn't any to be found.
If things don't improve dramatically within the next 6 to 12 months I am of the opinion that Obama is toast unless we nominate an absolute disaster of a candidate. This country cannot survive the worthless one's third term. It is time to send the Messiah on his Hate America World Tour so he can bask in the adulation of socialists around the globe. My only suggestion is he avoid the Middle East as he isn't very popular there.
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Mack
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Paucity of any good economic news
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7/22/2011 7:41:57 PM
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But, the Market keeps gaining?? I do not understand, at all. Everywhere I look there are signs of distress, closed down shops, unemployment high, foreclosures at high levels??
My "financial advisor" keeps telling me to get back into the market somewhere. But, maybe I am being overly protective of my meager funds.
There is something in the back of my conservative mind that is telling me that soon, very soon, a Crash is coming, and that a position heavy into equities is gonna' suffer big time, and quickly.
Maybe even Treasury Bonds are at risk. What is a retiree to do????
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lamont
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That's an easy ? Mack
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7/22/2011 8:03:15 PM
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Vote Obama in for his second term. He will take care of your every need...I promise. I heard him say this 3 years ago on the campaign trail. He'll make good on his word....I promise. Don't worry, be happy.
Signed,
Unemployed and not looking for work
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Barneget
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(unexpected) Paucity of any good economic news
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7/22/2011 8:19:29 PM
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Steve Wynn summed up the situation earlier this week when he said that people and business with the means to invest and expand will not do so until the threats of additional taxation with expanded regulation are nullified. Why put your land, labor, and capital at risk only to be forced to surrender your due rewards to the parasites? Speaking from a business perspective, we have never been in a better position to expand, not on a Wynn scale of course, yet we too are sitting on the sidelines waiting for the removal of obamagabue and his gaggle of less than constitutional czars, along with a shift toward financial responsibility in the US Senate. Perhaps the current administration finds our position both unexpected and surprising as well. As for long term investments, buy more ammo.
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water_watcher
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That's an easy ? Mack
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7/23/2011 4:25:49 PM
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As I have said many times ... Obama wants a collapse ... he wants everyone to look to the government to take care of them ... then he will have his dream.
That is way he moved the goal line as they got close to a deal. He does not want a deal but he wants it to look like the republicans. He even said he will not even sign a short term extension of the debt ceiling ... he wants another crisis and wants it big. He thinks that will give him the best chance for reelection ... he will assure everyone the government is there to take care of them.
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Mack
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That's an easy ? Mack
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7/23/2011 6:01:29 PM
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In my post I was not looking for,,, well, never mind.
My good buddy from earlier days advised me that if you always stepped in crap on the same trail, maybe you need to walk a different trail.
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MAJ USA RET
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Just Say No
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7/25/2011 8:26:34 PM
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The speaker of the House is Mr. Boehner. The House of Representatives is the "people's house." It is Speaker Boehner’s responsibility to speak for “We the People.” He has been unfairly denigrated for his emotional attachment to patriotism. But, when we send someone to talk to the Pretender-In-Chief… we WANT someone who is a) speaking for us and b) attached to patriotism. Mr. Boehner has said “No!” to Obama. We need for him, as our voice, to make that stick. “Just say NO!”
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copperline
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Paucity of any good economic news
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7/26/2011 9:03:12 PM
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This is nuts, and the degree to which some forum members think this situation is going to be managed and averted by blaming Barak Obama & 'the other side' is ridiculous. If we plunge into default, it will be because the Dems and GOP are more like 2 opposing armies bent on destroying each other rather than leading the country, and if we get too much closer to this self inflicted disaster..... everyone I know will suffer, less so the most wealthy Americans... some of whom may think they live on this Lake. The Republicans, champions of the wealthy, are about to run this ship aground for the rest of us.
Face up to it. The Democrats AND the Republicans have spent money, raised taxes, wasted money, built armies, invaded where it was in our national (economic) interest. Internally, we have grown a pretty big public welfare system, but the entitlement programs are just a small part of the pie...... We HAVE to take care of the infirm, the sick and disadvantaged to qualify as a Civilized Society.,,,do you want to just let people die in the streets? But more to the point, the middle class has been the largest beneficiary of government public welfare expenditures. Those parts of the public welfare system keep us safe, keeps the roads paved and the lights on, develops & maintains the infrastructure in a thousand ways. All those govt contracts trickled down onto mainstreet by plugging money into local economies. Heck, I do believe the lake was built with public welfare dollars....
People who constantly carp about eliminating taxes are engaged in herd mentality, plunging forward with their rhetoric until THEIR social benefits are cut. We don't hear them talk about reducing funding to public education, law enforcement, MILITARY retirement benefits. There is a myth that "plenty of money for what I want is still going to be there". And most of us scarcely consider the benefits of US tax dollars that flow to us or those we deem "worthy of help". When the nursing home tells you that Medicaid no longer pays for grandma, you'll need to write them a check for several thousand a month. No worries, right?
As a country, we have often been unwise and arrogant. The Tea Party's flirtations with disaster epitomize that mentality to me.
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Barneget
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Paucity of any good economic news
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7/26/2011 9:53:04 PM
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Turn away from Mathews/Maddow/Blitzer for just a moment. No disagreement with some of your post, yet to assign blame to the Repubs for running the ship into the ground is more than slightly disingenuous. You make mention of "a pretty big welfare system" yet say that they are just a small piece of the pie. Take a moment and scratch up some readily available facts, such as the ADDITIONAL $4 Trillion shoveled into the entitlement pit over the last 6 years, with a barely measurable increase in the infirm and sick, or 40% of Social security spending is SSI and not retirement, and then, look up TEA PARTY. I follow their activities closely and have yet to see a call by them, or the Republicans, for elimination of taxes. Thats like tossing a molotav cocktail into the post. The issue for aware, American, wage earning taxpayers is the sustained attempts to institutionalize the level of spending, and associated expansion of government at the Federal level, brought on by the Democrats since 2006. When my grandparents required care, my family took them in. When my grandmother needed more care than we could provide, it was paid with her savings and family contributions. Is there another way to do it? And you talk about herd mentality. Finally, your closing comment tells me that you were nearly always, if not always, last picked for team sports.
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copperline
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7/27/2011 1:07:58 AM
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Yep, Barney... lots of people, more than you know, have taken care of Grandma by signing her up for Medicaid when she needed a nursinghome.... but my point was that "entitlement programs" is a catch phrase for those programs for low income people, and the rhetoric fails to mention that Govt expenses on public welfare goes far beyond food stamps and aid to dependent children. We pay substantial amounts so the Govt can oversee and protect what's in the public interest. Like benefits to current & retired military, to research & education, operation of all sorts of policies & resources that are very much in the general public interest.....National Parks, NASA, the FAA, Coast Guard,the CDC.... the list is very long. It IS the job of the govt to provide those things because we WANTED each one of them. When you demand tax cuts for the purpose of reducing govt expenditures, something has to give .... and it won't be just falling on the heads of those low income bums everyone loves to denigrate.
Things begin to change when it's your ox that is getting gored. Now this gridlock around the budget could cause the stock market & national economy to take a huge hit creating a much more difficult future. If that happens, there could be LOTS more of people looking for work, with no health insurance, and probably pretty pissed off that their elected officials saw the end coming and just couldn't overcome their campaign slogans long enough to do anything about it.
And Barn.... leave the attempts to insult me to yourself. Not interested in hearing them. This forum needs some input from somewhere other than the right wing. Isn't that what free speech is all about?
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Barneget
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Paucity of any good economic news
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7/27/2011 6:48:45 AM
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Again,agree with some of your thoughts and find myself challenging others. How about sustained funding for Amtrak? Mass Transit? USPS? Hi speed rail? Wind mills built in China? Pig ford settlement? Boutique museums? NPR? Acorn? Add the 2011 funding in these areas together and the total exceeds the ten year number advanced by Bohner yesterday. Each of those items is seen as an entitlement. National Parks should consider higher user fees. MWR operates with a self sufficiency mandate and they serve our active military and veterans. What role does NASA serve now? Help me understand the role the Feds play in education! Or the effectiveness of the Department of Energy is developing domestic resources? Or doubling NLRB funding over the last 5 years with a workload that is less than half of 10 years ago? Or the Dept of Labors apparent sole focus of immigrant outreach? Or the unchecked spending of DHS? Or the outreach of Veterans Affairs to assist with finding qualifying disabilities? This gluttonous government is morbidly obese and stands at the edge of the cliff. I could go on but have to get to work. You see, I am fortunate enough to warrant mention in nearly every one of our little dictators speeches and without me, and others like me, the huge hit would have taken place some time ago.
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copperline
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7/27/2011 1:27:20 PM
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More personal insults. Is that the only thing you can think of to do when you meet someone who doesn't believe exactly the way you do? My mention of welfare benefits to ex-military was supposed to remind everyone that not all public welfare programs are misguided and cutting them would affect the personal lives of some people who routinely pound the table about wasteful public programs. I guess I came close to home for you.
We can talk about Viet Nam another time. Right now I think we are still looking for those Weapons of Mass Destruction that everyone was told we'd find in Iraq. Invasions and occupying armies are hugely expensive budget items, can we agree on that?
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Barneget
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Hbob
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7/29/2011 7:22:14 PM
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Got my Toes in the water, butt in the clay, waiting on copper line to post some more of Valerie Jarrets tweets. Nothing else to say til then.
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