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ALSCN
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It is a shame
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3/14/2006 4:20:22 PM
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This bill has turned everybody into a bunch of idiots. The fact is not one of you own the lake more than another person. Sure, you might have paid a heck of a lot of money to have a nice house purched up on the hill, but you don't own the lake. You own your land, or maybe you rent it, whatever it may be. The fact is no single person owns the lake. It is there for all of us to enjoy. We enjoy it in a variety of different ways. I have a family and I like to use the lake so that I can spend time with my husband, and children. We have owned multiple boats, from a pontoon, to a smaller ski boat to now a nice size boat that can ultimately be impacted by this bill. We did not buy this boat to show off, or to act like idiots or whatever some of you think we do just because we have a larger boat. We purchased it so we would have room as a family. We can't afford a house on the lake, but the boat and our slip provide the perfect family get away for us. So does that make us irresponsible, as some of you like to say? To me, it means that I care about spending quality time with my family and building a foundation of memories to last my kids a lifetime. I think irresponsibleness is not giving them anything to do and expecting the TV to raise them instead. My husband and I love the lake, we have enjoyed it in all of our previous boats, as we do this one. Sure the larger one is nicer, only because we can have conveniences such as a restroom for the kids, a place for them to sleep and air conditioning when we are spending the night on the slip. The size of the boat has not mattered to us. Instead it is the memories of the good times we have had. So don't make big boat owners out to be evil people, especially if you don't know them.
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Carnac
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It is a shame
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3/14/2006 5:19:49 PM
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Those are excellent points. You're right, it's not just one person's lake. Many of us understand and appreciate both sides to the arguments concerning the bills. But somebody is always the victim of somebody else's freedom of choice. Case in point: My son saved his money for several years to buy a boat that his young family could afford. It was a used (old) 18 foot Harris deckboat that had minimal freeboard. That is the distance from the surface of the water to the gunnel. On his first weekend day of ownership he ventured out to a channel and was overtaken by a big cruiser that passed by at a significant distance. When the wake from that boat hit his boat it sent his bow high and then low when a significant wave crashed over his bow, threw his four year old daughter off of her boat seat, and sent the bilge pump into immediate action.
He and his family found out, the hard way, that someone else's choice was going to cause him to not be able to safely use his boat on Lake Martin. They had to sell it at a loss and have been saving more money to afford a larger affordable boat. Their dream will have to wait a few more years.
The owner of that big cruiser probably felt confident that his distance was not going to create a problem for the small boater. Over the years I have heard countless similar stories. The simple fact is that on a weekend day during the high season the number and activity of the big boats, and the idiot operators of smaller craft, have caused many owners of small boats to stay off of the lake. Their freedom is sacrificed for the sake of those who could afford a different choice.
Life isn't fair to anyone. That is why it's irritable when a big boat owner whines that his privelidge may be taken away on Lake Martin. The gulf is only a few hours away. It's not like they cant have fun utilizing their investment anymore.
Take it to the bank. There will be a law limiting the size and horsepower of boats on Lake Martin. If it doesn't happen this year it will surely happen next year. You might be lucky enough to survive the cut. But there will be victims. Then, perhaps, a few more families with smaller boats will regain their confidence that they'll be able to safely use this lake again.
One other thing....what is on the lake now isn't as problematic as what will be on the lake unless something is done in the near future.
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WSMS
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A couple of questions...
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3/14/2006 6:18:31 PM
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First, I admit that, at the moment, you and I are on opposite sides of this discussion. But, you can help me see your side if you'll answer these two questions:
1) How much did you pay for your boat?
2) How much do you pay per month for your wetslip?
If you'd prefer not to discuss such things, I understand. But letting those of us who have not priced big boats or wetslips know just what kind of price differences there are between your lake life, and the lake lives of those with houses, without wetslips, etc., could be eye-opening.
Thanks.
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Osms
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3/14/2006 8:12:34 PM
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The issue that all of us need to remember is the size of the boat is not the problem--it's the operater. I've owned and operated 'big boats' for the past 25 years (in the Gulf) and even in open water you must be aware of your wake and its impact on others. The only thing about big boats is they have big wakes and most operators of big boats on Lake Martin do not show proper concern for the effects of their wakes. Loud/fast boats are another matter. These boats are an accident waiting to happen. Boats do not have brakes and a boat running at 60-100 mph with traffic within a half mile is not safe. I've driven them and don't believe these guys that talk about how responsible they are--that's bull. If they were responsible they wouldn't have that kind of boat in Lake Martin.
If the law doesn't pass this year, it'll pass soon because the public doesn't seem to be responsible enough to police itself.
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roswellric
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OK That's it!
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3/14/2006 8:54:53 PM
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Every one off the lake. It's my lake and I don't want anyone else using it. Just deed you property and boats over to me...
Love,
Sadam
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PartTimer
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It is a shame
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3/14/2006 9:04:07 PM
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This is a simple problem. Lake Martin is an inland lake, and it is very reasonable and very necessary to limit boat size, HP, speed, etc. for the good of all. Take it to the Gulf if you must have a Gulf-sized boat! Leave us in peace on Lake Martin. I own a pontoon boat, and cannot use it except on weekdays when there is a lower probablility of being swamped, scared to death, or otherwise harrassed by the big boats, and other irresponsible folks in all sized boats. Problem needs to be fixed--and I believe it is going to be fixed!
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ALSCN
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A couple of questions...
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3/15/2006 8:51:42 AM
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I really don't care about putting my personnal finances on this board. But I will let you know that My husband and I have looked all over the lake for the past 5 years for even a fixer upper house, and to no avail, anything close to the water is way out of our range.
The boat we have, we got at an increddible deal, and it is 10 years old. That is the only way we can afford it.
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roswellric
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You sound like
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3/15/2006 10:51:30 AM
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an ideal candidate for a houseboat. The aluminum hull models have actually gone up in value in recent years so it does have an investment component.
I am not in favor of limiting the size of houseboats to 30 ft and saying that there is a discharge hazard for both types of boats is just ignorance . Holding tanks have long been a requirement.
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Council Roc Doc
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You sound like
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3/15/2006 11:17:07 AM
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RR,
I remember visiting friends on Lake Lanier in the 90's who owned a home around the corner from Holiday Marina. The entrance to the harbor there was a favorite and dangerous area for PWC's and the like because of the enormous wakes produced by the entering and exiting houseboats. We had to navigate through that area in order to get to the main body of LL and over time, we simply refused to venture out onto the lake on weekends because of the accident waiting to happen. Don't know if they have addressed that problem since we were last there. Do you know the area that I'm describing?
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roswellric
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Hmmm...
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3/15/2006 12:35:45 PM
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I think I know that area.. the water was really cut up. Don't know if it was all houseboats though. Now there are some real monsters on LLanier that are hugely powered that will capsize an ocean liner.
Most of the guys I knew when I was on the lake in the 80's & 90's liked to tool around at low power and enjoy the cruise. The only time the boats are underway for the most part were to go to and from the weekend beach out island.
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