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Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	So... ObamaCare Penalty is a Tax
Date:	6/30/2012 11:54:54 AM

Article. I., Section. 7. All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

[The Constitution, September 17, 1787]

Didn’t ObamaCare originate in the Senate?

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	wow ...
Date:	6/30/2012 12:42:50 PM

It is coming out that Roberts changed his vote ... the initial one was the whole bill was going down (as it should have). Then he came up with this whole tax thing ... but not sure how he missed what you just posted.

Now Oblamer is trying to say, yes scotus is calling it a tax, but it really is a penalty. What a liar.   The american people still do not want it and this could be the end of Oblamer to get rid of this piece of crap legislation that is still not fully written, passed with smoke and mirrors and forced down the throats of the american people.

I know I am sending money to Romney ... as are many more americans.   He out collected Obama 2:1 after the decision.

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	The House Represents the People
Date:	6/30/2012 1:45:48 PM

One of the primary tenets of the Declaration of Independence… the impetus for the Revolutionary War… and the Constitutional establishment of our government is the onerous “taxation without representation.” It is for THIS reason that bills for raising revenue MUST originate in the House of Representatives… the consent of the people to be taxed (the Senate represents the States).

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	The House Represents the People
Date:	6/30/2012 2:39:59 PM

All is well, no conspiracy. From Forbes: Here’s what happened to the health care act. The original bill was introduced in the House of Representatives on September 17, 2009, as H.R. 3590, Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. It was sponsored by Rep. Charles B. Rangel (D-NY). The measure went to committee (Ways and Means, then chaired by Rep. Rengel) and then to the floor of the House where it was debated on October 7, 2009 and eventually passed with a vote of 243-173. The measure went to the Senate on October 8, 2009. The Senate didn’t like the House’s version of the bill and instead focused on its own version of the bill. The Senate passed its own version of the bill as an AMENDMENT to the House’s bill on December 24, 2009 with a vote of 60-39. However, the two versions have to conform for the bill to be signed into law. So, both the House and the Senate went back to the drawing board. Procedurally, the order was important here: the House eventually agreed to the Senate’s amendments to its own bill – a key distinction – since the bill had to have originated in the House because of the revenue component. The House agreed to the Senate’s amendments to the House’s own bill on March 21, 2010 by a narrow vote of 219-212. The enrolled bill was sent to the President on March 22, 2010. On March 23, 2010, President Obama signed the bill, making in Public Law 111-148.

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	Fishy Appears to be Correct
Date:	6/30/2012 3:47:34 PM

On further research... it appears that Rangel (D NY) introduced this bill in the House of Representatives. I guess that makes GF right… and me, WRONG.

I retract my Constitutional dissertation.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Hey Maj
Date:	6/30/2012 5:11:22 PM

Your post was a lesson in who can propose taxes that I am sure many are not aware of. It was enlightening that we could have a civil discussion. Have a safe 4th.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	You See, GF
Date:	6/30/2012 7:23:55 PM

The Maj is a man, willing to admit when he is wrong, rather than, as you do, completely ignoring the fact that you have been disproved and and instead searching for some tangential unrelated fact as a "retort".

Try strapping on a set every now and then. If you did you might not be the laughing stock of this forum.

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	Basis
Date:	7/1/2012 10:30:01 AM

I did not base my retraction entirely on GF's post. But, seeing as his essay seemed reasonable, I searched deeper and found that he was (is) indeed correct.

I do not wish liberals to be run off or laughed off or bullied off this forum. I only wish them to present sound argument to the hypothesis at hand. GF has done that… and I am refreshed by it.

PS: I am sensing a change in GFs syntax.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Indeed
Date:	7/1/2012 1:08:48 PM

It is refreshing for GF to post something factual and appropriate to the subject being debated. One out of a hundred ain't bad.

So, my intent is not to bully but to challenge GF to keep posting on the subject with factual information.

Can't do anything about the past..it is up to GF to gain credibility. What is so perplexing is his posts to the Lake Martin and Boat Maintenance forums are excellent...good information that applies to the string subject and well researched. Maybe it is a Jekyll and Hyde syndrome.

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