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h2osportsbum
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9/4/2009 2:28:57 PM
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I have been around the lake for about 20+ years. I have seen the extremities lake levels both way. Something that I think about is that residence time of the water in the lake. It changes over roughly every 435 days, that is along time for a body of water to turn over. If Alabama Power did not raise and lower the levels in the reservoir then the water quality could possible suffer. There are good things and bad things about controlling the levels in different ways.I just live with the levels and enjoy the lake.
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waterph
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9/4/2009 5:38:40 PM
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Please inform this forum how you came up with this 435 days base for supporting APC's extreme philosophy for water level control on Smith Lake. APC deliberately fluctuates the water level during the warm months to support the Gorgas Power Plant. During my time on Smith Lake and during many conversations with knowledgeable individuals involved with FERC's permitting process, I have never heard this turnover theory you propose.
The water level drops 14 to 18 feet during the period June through September and then increases by this same amount from December to March. This is a change in level of 35 to 40 feet in a 6 to 8 months period. This is in addition to the billions of gallons to support hydro power generation, navigation, drinking water, evaporation, etc. Your 435 days turn over is every 1.19 years.
A body of water that turns over every 1.19 tears would be suspect for dissolved oxygen, BOD, COD, solids, turbidity, and average temperature. Would this turn rate rate be detrimental to the different fish species and plant life.
I suspect that Smith lake would be classified as a dead body of water based on your theory and ADEM and the EPA would be demanding actions by APC for corrective actions..
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DUCKBUT
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9/6/2009 10:05:54 AM
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Water man, how long have you owned property on the lake?
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| Name: |
h2osportsbum
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9/8/2009 7:25:39 AM
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Waterph:
Please refer to the attached link:
https://aww.auburn.edu/Docs/Reports-guides/WBRSmithLake1.pdf
Page 13.
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| Name: |
h2osportsbum
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9/8/2009 7:26:42 AM
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I have had 4 different properties over a span of 17 years
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Bill
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9/8/2009 12:01:50 PM
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Dude you're wasting your time trying to have a logical conversation with him. You may as well be talking to a wall.
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lotowner
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9/8/2009 1:25:31 PM
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Bill
You surely can't be this naive.
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lotowner
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9/8/2009 2:04:08 PM
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Thanks for the information. I applaud the many volunteers who monitor water quality on our Smith Lake.
I also am an environmentalist and want Smith Lake to be protected from the many sources of pollution. Some is natural and some is man made. Both can be addressed.
I personally am bothered by the extreme movements in water level. As the report stated, DO decreases as temperatures in the warm months increase. Because our lake is so deep, it probably can withstand the hotter summer temperature better than a shallow lake. The cooler temperatures from the deep water is what APC covets for the Gorgas Plant.
It is a known fact that "dilution is not the solution". The source for contamination must be controlled.
As lake levels are lowered, the concentration of the contaminants increases. This is not good during the summer months.
I plan to read this report in detail. It is an excellent source for understanding thermal pollution and other sources for contamination.
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h2osportsbum
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9/9/2009 6:57:53 AM
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lotowner,
I like the points you bring out especially dilution is not the solution. I am in total agreemet that we have to identify and eliminate pollution. With the increase in population on the lake it is becoming a lot more important as well as monitoring agricultural runoff. Our group tests water on a monthly basis and reports to Alabama water watch.
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Hey h2osportsbum: I am way up rock creek almost at the top of the lake and would be interested in collecting data for your group. Do you know if yall have anyone up here doing testing. Once a month gathering a little water and sending it somewhere or just doing a few tests would be fun for me and a learning exp. for the kids.
Thanks
rockcreek recluse
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| Name: |
h2osportsbum
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9/10/2009 7:28:10 AM
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We sample and report to Alabama Water Watch based out of Auburn University.
You have to take a training class and become certified to be able to submit results.
Below is the contact point and websites. Laverne with Winston County Smith Lake Advocacy Group coordinated the training class with AWW. The class is very intersting. I'm not sure when the next class will be held here , but they offer classes all over the state.
Alabama Water Watch
250 Upchurch Hall
Auburn University, AL 36849-5419
Toll Free: 1-888-844-4785
Fax: 334-844-3666
Email: awwprog@auburn.edu
http://www.aces.edu/dept/fisheries/aww/aww/index.php
Contact: Laverne Matheson at (256) 747-4422 or Mary Ann Crunk at (205) 384-5355, Smith Lake Advocacy
http://wcslai.blogspot.com/
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| Name: |
h2osportsbum
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9/10/2009 7:29:19 AM
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I used to have a place up in Rock, Just above Swayback
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Ivan
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9/24/2009 9:32:18 AM
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WATERPH, how do you arrive at a 40 feet change in level? With your math, I can see why SLISA disapeared... It goes down 15-18 feet, and then it rises 15-18 feet... That's a 15-18 ft fluctuation NOT 40 ft!
You need a life...
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Ivan
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9/24/2009 9:40:41 AM
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Lotowner: You made the following statement:
"As lake levels are lowered, the concentration of the contaminants increases"
So if this is the case... As I pour Tequila out of the bottle, the "Proof" or alcohol content increases in the contents that are left behind?
I need to quickly pour out half of the bottle before I drink any of it! LOL
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| Name: |
lotowner
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9/24/2009 4:48:04 PM
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Ivan
To make sure that I do not misquote you and vice versa, I copied what you said and what I said below.
Lotowner: You made the following statement:
"As lake levels are lowered, the concentration of the contaminants increases"
So if this is the case... As I pour Tequila out of the bottle, the "Proof" or alcohol content increases in the contents that are left behind?
I need to quickly pour out half of the bottle before I drink any of it! LOL
Inan, 9/24/09
My original comment on 9/8/09
I personally am bothered by the extreme movements in water level. As the report stated, DO decreases as temperatures in the warm months increase. Because our lake is so deep, it probably can withstand the hotter summer temperature better than a shallow lake. The cooler temperatures from the deep water is what APC covets for the Gorgas Plant.
It is a known fact that "dilution is not the solution". The source for contamination must be controlled.
As lake levels are lowered, the concentration of the contaminants increases. This is not good during the summer months.
Lotowner 9/8/09
My answer is as follows and it support my earlier statement that concentrations will increase as lake levels decrease. My statement on 9/8/09 was based on the fact that the contaminant feed levels to the lake from whatever source are consistent in concentrations and feed rates are relatively constant. Therefore the pounds per hour being fed to the lake are independent of water level changes by APC.
Therefore, your Tequila example is not applicable to Smith Lake contaminate concentrations. What ever is in the Tequila is assumed to be homogeneous and concentrations do not change. Good try!
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waterph
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9/25/2009 6:23:22 AM
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Ivan
As always, you always miss the details of the messages on this forum. My comment was as follows:
"The water level drops 14 to 18 feet during the period June through September and then increases by this same amount from December to March. This is a change in level of 35 to 40 feet in a 6 to 8 months period."
Did I mention fluctuations in this comment? I think not! I used the term "change" of 35 to 40 feet in a 6 month period.
And. by the way, I have a pretty good life.
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Bill
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9/25/2009 12:40:42 PM
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Hmmm. I can't believe you guys are still moaning about water levels. It's practically October and the lake is at 508. You KNOW as well as I do that APCO will soon (as soon as the danger of flooding downstream disappears) APCO will be dumping the lake big time... we'll be below 500 before you know it. They HAVE to do this because they can not afford to be caught with their pants down with a lake that is at 508 when the winter rains show up.
I am comfortable in the fact though that you'll all be complaining during that entire process. I look forward to reading your comments and getting (another) good laugh out of you.
BTW, I believe you're correct. APCO should be severely punished for not staying within the rule curve. Who do they think they are? How can we enjoy our lake when they are so consistantly out of the curve. I really hated 2009 on the lake with the levels so high above the curve. I don't think we've been within it very much this year at all. This just sucks. :(
I'm just surprised that I'm the only one complaining about them not being within the rule curve this summer. I just don't understand you guys.
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Eric
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9/25/2009 1:18:48 PM
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The incredible childishness and flagrant incompentence of some of you on this thread is really hard to believe. I like reading the comments that many of you post regarding the need for change in how this lake is operated. My suggestion would be to ignore Bill and Ivan, as they have nothing useful to offer other than childish remarks from the anonymity of their computers. Most everyone I talk to on the lake, including people I meet while out on the water, would prefer to see the changes SLISA proposed. I believe that types like Bill and Ivan are greatly outnumbered.
I don't believe SLISA is dead (APCO still doesn't have their new license) and I do believe there will eventually be changes to how they operate this lake. Precendent has been established in Atlanta as waterph has commented on previously. When it happens, Bill and Ivan can then look for another good cause to rail against.
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| Name: |
Ivan
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Water levels
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9/28/2009 8:04:19 AM
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Eric, you must have been another mindless contributor to the Pyramid scheme!
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