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The danger facing america is not Obama !!!
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4/12/2011 5:25:43 AM
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"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of
entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to
limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary
common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a
man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than
Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of
the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made
him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all,
merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as
those who made him their president."
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lotowner
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The danger facing america is not Obama !!!
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4/12/2011 8:13:26 AM
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Great statement!
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MAJ USA RET
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Walt Kelly
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4/12/2011 8:25:11 AM (updated 4/12/2011 8:26:32 AM)
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“We have met the enemy… and he is us.”
-Pogo
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MAJ USA RET
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The danger facing america is not Obama !!!
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4/12/2011 9:55:12 AM (updated 4/12/2011 9:56:26 AM)
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He is George Soros’ choice for president. And the ignornant majority fell for the lipstick on the pig while we slept.
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MartiniMan
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The danger facing america is not Obama !!!
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4/12/2011 12:09:37 PM
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I completely agree with this but we share a part of the blame. The GOP has to do a better job of picking the alternative. We gave the Independents McCain and they decided on taking a hope on change.
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Summer Lover
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The danger facing america is not Obama !!!
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4/12/2011 1:58:45 PM
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Don't just lump us independent thinkers into the "voted for Obysmal bucket", I have always voted against the Dem Presidential candidate because the Repub has been more closely aligned with my views. If you want to keep my vote - just start having a candidate who is truly for small Government.
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Talullahhound
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4/12/2011 3:28:02 PM
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Who do you see in the current political landscape that shows these leadership qualities?
And don't just say anyone other than Obama. This is a serious question.
My problem is that I don't really see anyone. I see people that get out there and yap, yap, yap, but who is really showing leadership? Someone that can bring people together for the good of the country. Someone with common sense. Someone that can actually make tough decisions and then reach out and sell them to the country?
And no, I'm not saying that I think Obama has shown any of this. He's a disappointment to me, and I'm ready to move on, but the problem is I don't see anyone to move on to.
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MAJ USA RET
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4/12/2011 3:40:55 PM
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Dr. Condoleezza Rice
GEN David Petraeus
GOV Mitt Romney
Maybe Rep Paul Ryan… given some “performance”
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MrHodja
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4/12/2011 4:07:58 PM
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Don't really know much about Ryan except that he has already shown he knows more about problem solving than Obama did when he ran...AND after over two years on the job.
Another wild card would be Chris Christie.
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water_watcher
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4/12/2011 4:55:44 PM
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This is a good list to start. i also like Newt, but don't think he will be in the running when all is said, but is very bright. I also liked Giuliani, but also do not think he has broad appeal. My last pick is Judd Gregg ... but he has not even talked about running.
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MartiniMan
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Don't get you independent dander up
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4/12/2011 5:41:10 PM
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Look, I did not say that every independent voted for Obama but unfortunately for you far too many self-identified "independents" did vote for Obama and that was the difference between he and McCain. He was not carried to the WH by Republicans or conservatives but by independents. I am sorry you have self identified yourself with that group but there you are. And as I said, the fault lies with the GOP in not presenting a candidate that would be attractive to conservative leaning (social, fiscal or both) self proclaimed independents. Although I would say that given the economy and what was obviously a certain level of fatigue with W I am not sure even the best possible GOP candidate could have prevailed.
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MartiniMan
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4/12/2011 5:47:07 PM
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Hound, my perspective on this is that all of the most talked about crop have serious problems and would not be my first choice. I am referring to Romney, Huckabee, Gingrich, Bachman, Palin, Pawlenty, etc. Where I think we are seeing real leadership is with some GOP governors, including Christie, Walker, Kasich, Barbour, Jindal, etc. as well as some in Congress like Rubio, Ryan, Mitch Daniels, etc.
I suspect that none of the first group will be the nominee but much will depend on how truly vulnerable Obama is come mid- late summer. If he looks beatable I think you will see some of these really interesting options come to the fore. If Obama is looking safe for reelection expect a sacrificial lamb ala Bob Dole, Mike Dukakis, Walter Mondale, etc.
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Talullahhound
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4/12/2011 8:40:13 PM
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I would say Chris Christie, but I haven't really seen enough of him to know for sure.
I wonder if his "Jersey style" would play well across the country. I like his personality and he has done a lot in NJ, which is not an easy state. And how would he play internationally?
Gen Petraeous is brilliant to be sure, but I'm not sure what he knows of economics, nor am I sure he can bring people together. He doesn't have business experience. He definitely knows the Washington landscape and he's shown himself tough enough to stand up to Congress. He's got the international chops.
I don't think Condoleeza Rice has any intentions of returning to Washington. She's also not an economics person. I thought she was a terrible NS Advisor, but turned out to be a surprisingly good at SecState. She really stirred things up.
Some of the names that have been mentioned I don't know. I sincerely hope they don't trot out any of the retreads -- Dole is in ill health, Newt has a propensity to put his foot in his mouth, and I just don't have a good feeling about Romney. I don't know what it is, but my gut tells me he's weak.
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MAJ USA RET
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4/13/2011 8:11:08 AM (updated 4/13/2011 8:12:11 AM)
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Of all of these traits y'all have discussed for comparison of your preferences… OBAMA HAS NONE… THAT’S RIGHT… NONE! So how did an unqualified man, with several names and nationalities, whose credentials are obscure or absent, and whom nobody remembers in his professed past… get elected president?
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Talullahhound
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4/13/2011 9:11:18 AM
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It is MY opinion and MY thoughts. Would you prefer that "I" attribute them to you?
"I" think YOU are becoming a bit obsessive about this. "I" wish YOU would put ME on ignore, since "I" seem to bother you so much.
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Talullahhound
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4/13/2011 9:15:04 AM
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As you know, I voted for Obama. I honestly felt he was the right alternative to John McCain, which would have been 4 more years of Bush. Hoped Obama would be transformational, but he turned out to be transitional. At the time, I thought he showed some leadership, but I've been disappointed in him. I hope the Republicans don't force me into voting for him again. It could happen.
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MartiniMan
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4/13/2011 9:40:22 AM
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Hound, I only used the name Dole as an example of a sacrificial lamb from previous elections along with people like Dukakis, etc. He is way beyond being a candidate. My point is the quality of the GOP candidates will be much better if Obama is vulnerable. Will we pick the right one? I hope so but history has not always been our side.
I like Christie as well but like you, I am not sure how he will play in the south or west and he really doesn't seem all that interested. Paul Ryan/Marco Rubio seem to be getting a lot of play lately but both have said they are not interested. Either way its still too early to be having this discussion in earnest. Mid-late summer we need to get serious.
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MAJ USA RET
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Time out
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4/13/2011 9:45:13 AM
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Okay… let me give some advice here. None of us is in the postion of authority here and we don’t have a moderator to signal “foul.” If you are incensed by another party’s argument or permission, make a germane counterpoint - or do us a favor and log off. It is not difficult to discern when someone is losing a debate or out of order - especially when the derogatory personal invective comes out.
Unless of course, participation is confined to sniping (we know who that is)… in that case just ignore him. He’ll go back under the porch.
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Talullahhound
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4/13/2011 2:42:58 PM
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Sorry, I'm the only one that is responsible for me. There is nothing YOU can do to change me and you are really wasting your time with this.
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Talullahhound
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4/13/2011 2:47:01 PM
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Considering that Trump is doing quite well in the polls at the moment, I hope you are right. Maybe there is a surprise candidate on the sidelines who is just biding his/her time or is susceptible to patriotic arm twisting. I sure hope so.
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MartiniMan
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4/13/2011 3:53:23 PM
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Hound, don't get too excited about the Trump phenomenon. As you know, these early polls are all about name recognition and nothing else.....just ask Hillary. Trump will fade away the more Republicans learn about him and real, serious candidates. However, my biggest fear is he mounts a third party independent bid which guarantees Obama's reelection regardless of how vulnerable he is because Trump will split the conservative vote ala Perot.
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Talullahhound
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4/13/2011 5:32:17 PM
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Could happen. I can't believe that Trump will actually stay interested. I'm sure he's enjoying the attention right now because he loves publicity. I think the Republicans need to choose their candidate very carefully. Very carefully.
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MartiniMan
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I hope you are right and I agree completely
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4/14/2011 8:34:56 AM
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Barneget
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Time out
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4/14/2011 9:51:35 PM
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h, my perspective is this.... much like fox news has juan williams to prove they are fair and balanced, this forum has hound. You've been to family reunions. Every family has that sweet, dotty old aunt that hits the sauce hard and loves to dance the polka, and the unwritten rule is everyone must dance with her at least one time. I look at this forum as sort of a family, with hound as the polka loving, dancing aunt.
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MAJ USA RET
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Nerve
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4/15/2011 7:51:24 AM
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H-Bob, I did not call you out. You called you out.
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