Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	i am shocked
Date:	6/16/2020 12:49:54 PM

I took on the role at start of virus mess to do the grocery  & errand running; I am very observant & am appalled at the lack of concern/ respect for otheres from some--mostly women ( ages 30-60)  who do not wear masks; today a young woman about 32 was blocking the grocery aisle, having close up conversation with 2 other women, none wearing masks;

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Why?
Date:	6/16/2020 12:52:31 PM

You seem focused on the lack of masks but the real issue is the social distancing and washing your hands frequently and vigorously.  Just stay away from people like that because if you are wearing a mask it offers very little protection.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Speak Up
Date:	6/16/2020 2:21:34 PM (updated 6/16/2020 2:27:22 PM)

Tell them to move. You need balls when you go shopping just like you're on the Forum. Speak up. Ask them please move. I wear a 95 mask no different than the health professionals wear. If you wear a cloth mask, I suggest you wear a coffee filter under it.

95% of our shopping is done at Walmart and Publix...outside pickup. Tried Pubix delivery but too expensive. It is rather neat to order from a recliner. I have found that the earlier in the day you schedule pickup, the better the chance of getting your complete order. Makes sense but it is really true. I expect we will continue to order for pickup except for veggies.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	i am shocked
Date:	6/16/2020 5:21:47 PM

I always wear my mask.  I have noticed in Alex City, hardly anyone wears one.  In Montgomery it's mixed, but many do not, and they also don't observe the one way aisles.  Today I was in the Publix in Auburn and everyone had a mask and everyone was very observant of the one way aisles.  I can only assume a better informed population.  You aren't going to catch me without a mask, no matter what MM and others say.  It's very difficult to social distance in the grocery stores with people going every which way.  

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	Why?
Date:	6/16/2020 6:01:22 PM

Agree MM.  Good hand sanitation, not touching face, safe distancing, going down the aisles in the direction marked!!, wearing masks when you can't keep a safe distance are all absolutes.  Have to laugh at mask wearers who are the only people in their cars driving  or who are outside and the only person within 100 yards of anyone.  The beach is a great place to be with distancing btw. 

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Who To Believe
Date:	6/16/2020 10:19:41 PM

Martini says

Just stay away from people like that because if you are wearing a mask it offers very little protection.

CRD says

Agree MM.  wearing masks when you can't keep a safe distance are all absolutes. (Interesting how CRD agrees with the opposite opinion from MM)

Maybe, this is why the number of cases is growing in Alabama. The Montgomery Council must have read these two opinions of wearing a mask as they voted 4-4 and the motion went down to require masks in Montgomery.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Who To Believe
Date:	6/17/2020 6:14:36 AM

You are and idiot, dumbass.  You talking about MM and CRD and Alabama stats.  They are BOTH georgia residents,

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Who To Believe
Date:	6/17/2020 8:12:55 AM (updated 6/17/2020 8:35:17 AM)

Of course the number of cases are going to go up as the shelter in place rules are relaxed.  Every single state is projecting an increase in cases.  The entire point of the shelter in place and rationale for shutting down the economy was to not overwhelm the hospital system......the magical flattening the curve.  I think in hindsight we now know that had we taken less extreme measures we would have easily accomplished that goal and had we focused the more extreme measures on the elderly and those with co-morbidities we would have gotten the same result and frankly would have never decimated the economy.  Only people who want the economy to suffer for partisan political reasons or scientific illiterates believe that shelter in place or other measures are meant to do anything else.

And note that of the 3,100 counties in the country a grand total of 11 or 2% have seen a significant increase in cases.  So focus on them and leave the rest of us alone.

So understand this Goofy, cases are going to rise and because of the extreme measures we will see a prolonged curve of cases and deaths.  That is how viruses behave.  And sadly, but understandably in hindsight, the flattening of the curve has pretty much ensured the virus will return in the fall as there will be no herd immunity and no vaccine.  Let's hope there are effective treatment regimens that will allow us to go about our business without politicians acting stupidly.......like I said, this will be a crisis until the first Tuesday in November.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Who To Believe
Date:	6/17/2020 9:21:42 AM

You are entitled to your opinion, but you views run counter to some of the best medical minds on this topic.  I think your use of perjorative descriptions for those trying to survive in the pandemic is offensive.  But you are free, of course, to follow whatever you believe.  And I do not agree with you that this is political and will disappear after the election.  

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	You are right
Date:	6/17/2020 9:45:09 AM

It wont dissapear after the election.  But the focus will change from the sky is falling to investigating why POTUS let the sky fall, did he encourage it, why didn't he do more, etc.etc. etc.?  And that will happen no matter which way the virus turns out whether its the most deadly ever seen or just a strain of the flu.

If, and thats a BIG IF, the lockdowns prove out to be benificial the Guvs will holler about how many millions of lives they saved while Trump wanted to let them all die.  On the other hand, when/if the data proves them to be totally useless or worse harmful they will be screaming how TRUMPS locksown killed millions, although only 100k have died.  I will bet money at least HALF of the 100k died WITH covid, but not FROM covid.  Big difference.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Not my opinion
Date:	6/17/2020 9:46:39 AM (updated 6/17/2020 9:54:37 AM)

Go back and look and see when they were closing the economy the entire rationale was to "flatten the curve" to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed, ICU limitations, ventilators.  That is a fact!  Go look it up.

And the significant rise in cases limited to 11 counties is a fact!  Go look it up.

Everything I believe is based on facts and science.  Not emotion and fear like mind-numbed sheep.   And I never said the virus would disappear, I said the "crisis" would.  As we saw in 2009 with the H1N1 a pandemic is only a pandemic depending on who is President.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Not my opinion
Date:	6/17/2020 2:06:23 PM

As I say, you are entitled to your opinion.  I personally believe there was a need to shut down for the period that we did to save lives.  You may not believe that is true, and that lives weren't saved, but that is your opinion and your interpretation of the facts.  

Right now, COVID is taking a back seat to the latest "crisis" which is race. That doesn't mean it still isn't a crisis, it's just the the media is not focused on it, because they can get so much more mileage from race.  I don't personally believe that race is a crisis in this country.  Yesterday in a counsil meeting in Montgomery, where they were discussing making masks mandatory, 5 pulmonary specialist made the argument that it was necessary to wear a mask to slow down the spread of COVID - Montgomery is a state hotspot at the moment.  When the motion was not carried (along racial lines), the Doctors walked out.  They can't all be political players.  

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	Who To Believe
Date:	6/17/2020 2:13:46 PM

When I agreed with MM, I assumed he was talking about cloth masks that are made by friends and family which offer very little in the way of protection. 

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Who To Believe
Date:	6/17/2020 2:28:29 PM

I observe more "home grown" "anything will do" face coverings than those considered to be effective from a medical viewpoint.  Being retired military I occasionally shop at the base commissary and they require all patrons to have a face covering.  That being said, literally anything will do, down to a handkerchief tied behind the head.  

I don't wear a mask in public, and when in stores I ensure to not spend more than a few seconds in any one place, and quickly pass anyone that I have to pass to get where I am going.  I especially try not to follow anyone, even at six feet, when going down an aisle, with the thought that if the other person is shedding virus, the longer behind them the higher the chance of getting the virus.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Not my opinion
Date:	6/17/2020 3:22:40 PM

The facts are what they are.....had the shelter in place been necessary when it ended everywhere it ended there would have been an explosion in cases.  Two of my adult children live in Austin and they have not relaxed anything in their county and they are seeing a slight increase in cases for some reason.  In other places where the rules have been relaxed nothing has happened.  There does not appear to be a correlation.

And of course we know now that large gatherings are likewise not an issue as we have been lectured to about the peaceful protests and riots.....of course a Trump rally or a Church gathering is like committing murder.  Such is the brain dead world of 2020.  

As for doctors, they are like economists.  Get two in the room and they can look at the same data and give opposing viewpoints.  I had my physical last week and my internist didn't wear a mask but the nurses sort of did but not very diligently.  I asked him about it and he told me they don't really prevent anything.  His opinion of course.  He did say that the issue had not been studied extensively and that there have been lots of contradictory results in the studies that have been done.  So here's the bottom line on the issue for me as expressed by Ben Cowling, head of the Division of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at The Hong Kong University:  "There's been enough research done to be able to confidently say that masks wouldn't be able to stop the spread of infection, that they would only have a small effect on transmission," Cowling said. "We shouldn't be relying on masks to help us go back to normal."   He has the same concerns I do about the false sense of security that masks provide.  And bear in mind, he is talking about all masks from N95 to surgical to homemade ones.  One area of agreement is that the homemade ones provide very little protection.  More against droplets but very little to none for aerosols.  Wear the mask but keep social distancing and washing hands because they matter much more.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Who To Believe
Date:	6/17/2020 3:26:03 PM

Yep, most of those are near on worthless.  But even the surgical masks allow droplets and aerosols as they are not fitted to the face but are certainly better than the homemade versions.  In the environmental business we have to wear full face respirators with annual fit testing before we will allow an employee to be exposed to airborne contamination.  That is the only way.....otherwise all infectious disease researchers would need is a surgical mask instead of Level A.  They must know something.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Hodja
Date:	6/17/2020 9:29:20 PM

If you are in Montgomery and out in public, as of Friday at 5 pm, you will be required to wear a mask.  The mayor just signed an Executive Order to that effect today.  

There is a legitimate component to limit the amount of time that you spend in the stores.  The longer you are exposed, the greater the risk.  I find it funny that people in the Publix in Montgomery can't master the one way aisles, but in the Publix in Auburn, they are quite diligent.  They all wear masks too.  

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Hodja
Date:	6/17/2020 10:19:54 PM

I understand the sentiment and may or may not comply.  I have an ample supply of $25 bills to pay the fines should the police actually arrest me for being in control of my own life.

I believe in taking reasonable and prudent measures to protect myself and others around me.  If I had even the slightest doubt that I might be a carrier you can be damn well sure i would mask up to protect others.  And it wouldn't be some half-assed bandana or other "mask" created out of left-over scraps of material.  It would be a mask that actually protects those I might come in contact with.  But then again, if known to be infected I probably wouldn't take even the slightest chance that I might infect someone else and would self-quarantine.  

Bottom line:  I won't wear a mask because some politician tells me I have to.  I will if it makes sense to do so.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Hodja
Date:	6/18/2020 12:54:40 AM

"But then again, if known to be infected I probably wouldn't take even the slightest chance that I might infect someone else and would self-quarantine." 

Why not say....

But then again, if known to be infected I wouldn't take even the slightest chance that I might infect someone else and would self-quarantine.  

Why do you leave a doubt that you might just head out to infect others? You don't want Montgomery telling you to wear a mask than just do the right thing it you become a carrier.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Hodja
Date:	6/18/2020 9:21:17 AM

"Some politician" as in one that was elected by the people?  What's the difference between that one and the one sitting in the WH?  Just asking. 

I thought that they should make the fine $500 - just to make sure people are paying attention.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Hodja
Date:	6/18/2020 10:47:33 AM

For Goofy:  You are splitting hairs regarding "self quarantine".  I wouldn't knowingly put anyone at risk, but am not so clairvoyant as to say there wouldn't be an as-yet unknown, but still valid reason to break that quarantine (properly masked, gloved, and whatever else needed).  

For Hound:  There are two concerns at play here.  First is spreading the virus to others, second is protecting ones self from becoming infected.  In the first case if I am known to be infected and there were a valid need to go out into public I would definitely take measures to first) avoid even being around others and second) be wearing real face protection that eliminates a chance release of the virus into the atmosphere.  In the second instance I believe it is my right to decide whether to wear a mak or not.  Once again, though, I emphasize that the "protection" worn by at least half the people out there is a sham, as the methods they choose provide little to no protection at all.  In fact, I saw someone at a news conference yesterday wearing a mask....covering his mouth but not his nose.  Thus, the mandate to wear masks probably gives the general public a false sense of security and could actually make things worse.  Unlike Archie, I will readily state that to be my opinion, not fact.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Politician????
Date:	6/18/2020 10:49:38 AM

Everyone paid by the Federal gubment is a politician.  Notice I didn’t say workin’......that’s questionable.  All employees take a side.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Politician????
Date:	6/18/2020 3:06:20 PM

First of all, the Mayor of Montgomery is not paid by the federal government.  

Second of all, I don't know on what your claim is based, but in my exerience government employees (not political appointees) are not political, at least not in the DoD.  They may have their personal opinion, but it doesn't come into play in doing their jobs under various administrations.  Really, Wix, your view of the government is very narrow and totally out of tune with reality.  (and don't throw Lois Lerner - she is 1 fish and a sea  of thousands).

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Hodja
Date:	6/18/2020 3:15:48 PM

I disagree that it is giving people a false sense of security.  Everyone knows that it is not 100%, but even if it is only 75% or 50% or even 30% effective it is worth something.  I don't have covid, and I dislike wearing the mask - it makes me feel claustrophobic and several times I've had to talk myself down from a panic attack.  

Presumably, no one would go out purposefully knowing that they were sick.  

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	What A Sick Country
Date:	6/18/2020 10:28:46 PM

There was a time where we were one country when fighting disease. Now, we argue the merits of protecting ourselves and others from a deadly disease. The country has reached the bottom and, hopefully, we can only go up to return to our greatness.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	What A Sick Country
Date:	6/19/2020 8:15:53 AM

Yeah I agree why can the protesters, rioters, looters and arsonists not just stay home and not cause an increase in cases???  Do they not care about the lives of others???

I am still amazed by the news coverage about how the virus does not attack protesters but is standing by at Trumps rally to make sure all his supporters get it and go home to murder grandma.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	What A Sick Country
Date:	6/19/2020 9:56:38 AM

I wouldn't put it past some "operative" to release vials of it into the HVAC.  That is how vile I know these people to be.  Just think of the propaganda when it can be "proven through contact tracing" that the outbreak was created by the rally.  Fortunately the Secret Service is on the job to prevent such things but how much damage could be done by a few releasing vials while on the floor?

If anything has been learned over the last few weeks the left will stoop to any means to obtain the objective of turning us into a 3rd world shithole of a country ruled by jack booted thugs.  Where are the tens of thousands of weapons and MILLIONS of rounds of ammo that all those obscure agencies bought during Obama years?  An audit needs to happen right away to find out.  My bet is they are "missing" but it was some bearacratic snafu that caused them to be located right now.  

Don't fool yourselves.  Civil War has begun in this country.  Ignore at your own peril.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	What A Sick Country
Date:	6/19/2020 12:30:13 PM

I agree and believe in being prepped for most things.  Food, water, weapons and ammo being priority.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	What A Sick Country
Date:	6/19/2020 2:26:06 PM

Good luck finding bulk ammo.  I may have hit paydirt today though.  I found somebody that is willing to sell from a massive stockpile of personal inventory.  Brass and lead seem to be prudent investments these days.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	What A Sick Country
Date:	6/19/2020 2:51:01 PM

I have been picking up brass/shotgun shells from the range since I was about around 5, been reloading all my life and have a good stock of supplies for most of my guns, except maybe some of some of the odd wildcat cartridges but still have enough of those to get by. 

Reloading rifle/pistol and shotgun helps to cut costs and usually when the loaded ammo on the shelf is sold out there is still a supply for reloading since so few people do it.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	What A Sick Country
Date:	6/20/2020 8:35:43 AM

I agree about reloading.  My Dad did it when I was younger and I have access to all the equipment to do it but I am too old to take up new tricks.  I picked up 330 rounds yesterday.  Not the 1000 or so I was hoping for but a nice addition to the stash.  Price was great too.  I saved so much I am going to pick up a few more magazines to store them in...lol.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	What A Sick Country
Date:	6/20/2020 3:07:19 PM

Be safe and keep your supplies ready.