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For Mr.H
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12/1/2012 9:17:55 AM (updated 12/1/2012 9:20:28 AM)
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Sorry Mr H, I apparently gave the incorrect URL (My bad) for the article I recommended on Nov 12. You can go to...Politico.com...and search for "The GOP's Media Cocoon" to pull up the article. I wish every poster on this forum would read it. Some of the occasionally reasonable members, yourself included, might at least see the glint of some good points from it. Most will simply brush it off as another left wing rant...SOMETHING IT IS NOT!!!
The actions of the GOP leadership since the election makes it appear that, sadly, they learned nothing from the election.
Consensus public opinion is not in alignment with the consensus of what has become the GOP base. You can be successful without simply kow-towing to the "masses". You cannot be successful by constantly shouting at the "masses" that they are wrong and you are right. If this advice and the advice of the article comes across to you and/or the posters on this forum as "drive-by libtard ranting" then so be it and God have mercy on the United States of America.
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wix
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Archy
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12/1/2012 10:11:45 AM
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Why should the GOP change its priorities after the election. Principles do change with the wind. Your masses are still the crowds of illiterate, do nothing, unemployed, sponges on society. A person who votes for someone because he has the same color skin or loves the freebies without examining and evaluating the vote recipient's plans and goals qualifies to be included in the masses. Not a thinking human being, just part of the obedient masses. Do you qualify as a number in the masses?
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GoneFishin
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WIX
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12/1/2012 10:56:07 AM
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I wonder how many poor whites who receive government benefits voted for Romney based on the color of his skin?????????Just not enough to win. Get over it man YOUR PRESIDENT is a black man.
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architect
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Fine WIX and company
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12/1/2012 11:35:09 AM
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Keep your head in the sand and refuse to "moderate" your "principles" at least enough so they do not sound as hateful as your post. You do not convert someone by telling them they are lazy or stupid or unworthy. The Democrats are hoping you keep it up. Well, maybe Hillary and/or Cuomo will make a pretty good president.
And yes, I am part of the masses as are you. Every member has an opinion and the majority do not agree with that portion of the masses that currently make up the GOP base. That does not make them right, but as long as they have the privilege to vote it behooves a candidate asking for that vote to not diss them, nor claim them lazy, nor call them "takers" rather than "makers", nor consider their opinions lightly. Of course I suspect you would have no problem going back to permitting only land owning white men to vote. That would certainly insure Republican rule as far as one can see. Well, it ain't gonna happen...Thank God!
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12/1/2012 11:35:20 AM (updated 12/1/2012 11:35:46 AM)
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For Mr.H
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12/1/2012 12:15:45 PM
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OK, I read it. Some of what was said I agree with, other, such as painting NPR as the bastion of fair and balanced news, I don't. I used to listen to NPR on the way to and from work, but when their bias came out so vivdly in the Bush-Kerry race I became an ex-lstener.
The author correctly paints Obama, as a savvy politician and knew what he needed to do to get elected.
And it is not just the lazy takers who helped get him there. His social policies, especially with regard to homosexuality and abortion, I believe probably brought in enough extra votes to make the difference in the election. A person very close to me voted for Obama just for that reason. It wasn't the fiscal side that drove his vote, it was the social side.
The chaacterization of Marco Rubio is especially unfair. He is a leader whose time hasn't quite arrived, smart, articulate, and exceptionaly mature for his age.
I detected a wee bit of "haha look at those poor Repubs" in the article, but as closely as the author could I think he tried to avoid getting emtional bout it.
Finally, the article didn't tell me anything I didn't already know. It all boils down to a choice between being touchy-feely, leading to eventual decline into irrelevance and the philosophy that is responsible for this nation being the wealthiest on earth
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WIX
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12/1/2012 12:20:03 PM
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I'd go for andy of several black men...like Thomas Sowell,
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wix
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Archy and goofy
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12/1/2012 1:47:24 PM
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Your implication that my statement is racial is typical of your ilk. There are a number of blacks I would vote for, including for President. Just not o-BAMA, JJ Jr, or any of your fine democrats. I certainly feel the blacks who voted for the idiot just because he is black committed an act of racism. You see I tend to have a special admiration for many blacks who have been successful in the business world because I respect their hard work to achieve success based on their own talents and ambition. Likewise, I respect very few (of any color) who achieved their success through guvment jobs. They fit into the leech category and THE IDIOT is one of them. No your president is not my president, he's all yours.
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architect
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Please explain
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12/1/2012 2:57:02 PM (updated 12/1/2012 3:01:57 PM)
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How does my reply to your post using terms similar to those you used have any racial implications if your post did not have similar (which it did not as far as I could tell) implications. Not only are you a right wing extremist but also, it would seem, a right wing extremist who is paranoid.
As for "my" president versus "your" president...well your comments about Obama speak for themselves. I don't think you are racist but you are filled with hatred for a politician with whom you disagree. It is only a coincidence that he is black. I am sure you have a similar hatred of all center/left and far left white office holders and adore Allen West
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GoneFishin
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For De Wix
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12/1/2012 2:59:13 PM
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As a 73-74 year old white man, you will never change so just remain in you myopic environment and be cool. Enjoy your entitlments as part of the 47% who Romnwy wrote off as leeches. You are a receiver of gifts from Obama but refuse to admit it.
Let's see Social Security, Medicare A&B, Medicare D, Senior discounts at the movies, fastfood,etc. You are a receiver of government gits and that is the final answer.
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wix
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Archy
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12/1/2012 3:02:27 PM
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Perhaps you should define "right wing extremist". It's such an all encompassing term.
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wix
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Goofy
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12/1/2012 4:03:11 PM (updated 12/1/2012 4:08:02 PM)
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I only can hope and pray that I live long enough to get back what I put into Soc Sec., paid the max every year I worked. It's funny how you try to throw everyone into the recipient class. Sorry, pal, but that won't work here.
Oh, you mentioned Medicare A, B, C, and D. Funny how My wife and I pay more for B, C, And D than we paid for all coverages before we joined Medicare. What a deal. BTW, only leeches get the supplements for free, it's called Medicaid.
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WHAT IA A RIGHTWING EXTREMIST??
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12/1/2012 4:04:36 PM (updated 12/1/2012 4:11:54 PM)
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In America today a rigtwing extremist generally speaking believes:
1/ Private endeavors are ALWAYS superior to Government endeavors.
2/ Prosperous people and enterprises have achieved that prosperity completely with their own
devices without any help from outside forces, especially government.
3/ Those who do not prosper generally have only themselves to blame. (just lazy!)
4/ Those with "superior" intellect or social morays should make and impose decisions for those
with "lesser" abilities.
5/ Diplomatic endeavors are intrinsically inferior to military might.
6/ Those who disagree with very conservative values are to be at best ignored and
at worst condemned and derided as "socialist", "un-American", "bleeding heart", "pinko",
"libtard", "baby-killers" etc (sounding familiar isn't it?)
7/ Any election which does not go the "right" way must have been influenced by fraud.
8/ "Principle" should never be compromised even when it becomes obvious that the "principle"
is rotten to the core.
9/ No one whose positions are different from mine can possibly have anything of value to add to
the conversation!
In fact none of the above is completely true.
This just scratches the surface but these observations are personified on this forum on a daily basis.
Now, what is a leftwing extremist...Well simply reverse or change a few words in 1,2,3,5,6,7,8 and 9 and you've nailed it. No 4 perfectly defines the political extremist at both ends of the spectrum!
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Lifer
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Please explain
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12/1/2012 5:04:26 PM
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How senior discounts at the movies and fast foods equates to guvment benefit?
I can't quite get the relation.
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wix
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WHAT IA A RIGHTWING EXTREMIST??
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12/1/2012 5:28:28 PM
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Now I'm a little confused. Define a conservative?
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GoneFishin
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12/1/2012 6:52:55 PM (updated 12/1/2012 6:55:21 PM)
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GoneFishin
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WHAT IS A RIGHTWING EXTREMIST??
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12/1/2012 6:56:19 PM
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WIX, just look in the mirror and report back what you see.
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GoneFishin
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Hey WIX
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12/1/2012 6:59:25 PM
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You pay nothing for Medicare A and 25% of Medicare B. You are a LEECH according to your own definition. Welcome to the Obama Free Gift Party.
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GoneFishin
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Please explain
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12/1/2012 7:15:13 PM
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It is rather compicated but is goes back some years ago when bars decided to have Ladies Nght with free drinks but never a Men's Nght out with free drinks. It took a court ruling to approve the concept and rather than formulate a serious of rulings, it was left as an unwritten ruling. This began the movement to allow senior discounts based solely on age as a non discriminatory concept.
Isn't it reverse discrimination to allow an old geezer like WIX to get a senior discount but not a 40 year old? The allowance of the discount is a gift from the government which did not argue that it is age discrimination. Affirmative Action for seniors like WIXIE.
If the discount did not exist the vendors would be charging Wix full price and the additional revenue would be taxable profit. I am quite certain if Wixie and his fellow seniors paid full price there would be no need to raise the tax on those earning over $250,000. WIXIE is just greedy and would never give up his discount for the good of the country. He is a typical extremist on the right.
I still look forward to the day he and I can sit down for a cup of coffee. We might even begin to bond.
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comrade
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Hey WIX
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12/1/2012 7:16:57 PM
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He pays nothing? What do you think he has doing all his adult life? Being an illegal immigrant?
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comrade
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Please explain
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12/1/2012 7:19:42 PM
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Come on, even the prez will drink a beer. Is caffeine what makes you think this way?
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GoneFishin
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Comrade
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12/1/2012 8:19:50 PM (updated 12/1/2012 8:27:10 PM)
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Did you say the same thing when Romney included Medicare recipients in his 47%? Or, were you silent and just voted blindly for him? Obviously, WIX and his fellow seniors hves not paid their fair share or Medicare would be in a better fiscal position. WIX is just a user and simply masquerades as a right wing extremist. I wonder if he has a free Government phone and just won't admit it.
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wix
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Goofy
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12/1/2012 10:00:22 PM
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You are one confused, sick sucker. Just for kicks, give me your source that Medicare B payments only cover 25% of costs. Make sure that's not net after all the free loaders are added in. BTW, I paid Medicare taxes for several years. You seem to have just let that tax slip your mind.
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GoneFishin
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Goofy to Wixxie
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12/1/2012 10:18:40 PM
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From Medicare
"The standard Part B premium for 2012 is $99.90.
Part B helps pay for doctors' services and outpatient care. It also covers other medical services, such as physical and occupational therapy, and some home health care. For most people with Medicare, the government pays a substantial portion-about 75 percent-of the Part B premium and you pay the remaining 25 percent."
http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/1581/~/medicare-part-b-(medical-insurance)-monthly-premium-for-2012
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comrade
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Goofy to Wixxie
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12/1/2012 10:37:05 PM
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But where did the government get its 75% ?
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comrade
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12/1/2012 10:37:16 PM (updated 12/1/2012 10:37:55 PM)
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WHAT IS A CONSERVATIVE
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12/1/2012 11:12:08 PM (updated 12/1/2012 11:29:48 PM)
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A conservative believes in CONSERVING that which is good but is willing to listen to the opinions of others and supports the right of others to hold and express those opinions rather than angrily trying to squelch them. A conservative realizes that as the world moves on some things that have been held sacred in the past might not be operable in the evolving world. Conservatives once supported slavery, segregation, American isolationism and restricted suffrage but helped change them when it became apparent that, for the good of the nation, they needed to be changed. An American conservative seeks the respect if not the approval of ALL Americans and not just those "makers" and others in agreement with him. A conservative believes in the Bill of Rights (ALL OF THEM all the time). A conservative accepts the will of the people in free elections and moves on to perfect his message in a way to sway them differently in the next election. A conservative, almost by definition believes, in moderation as a guide in forming opinions and establishing principles...after all is it not the "immoderate" liberals that are rushing to change the way things are? Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Warren Rudman, Evritt Dirksen, and Barry Goldwater were conservatives (unlike some of their supporters) who are rolling in their graves at what the GOP base is calling "conservative" today.
Wix your posts make it self-evident that you are certainly NOT a conservative in any sense of the term, you are a rightwing extremist and a paranoid nut to boot!
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comrade
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WHAT IS A CONSERVATIVE
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12/1/2012 11:26:16 PM
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What is a liberal?
How do you perceive yourself in the spectrum?
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MrHodja
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12/2/2012 2:26:39 AM (updated 12/2/2012 2:27:39 AM)
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Casey
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For Mr.H
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12/2/2012 8:44:04 AM
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Just drivin' by....you Off-Topic fans should read this:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324894104578114791679213644.html
URL:
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architect
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For Mr.H et al
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12/2/2012 9:08:18 AM
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HEAR HEAR !!!
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wix
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Goofy
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12/2/2012 9:09:40 AM
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That's interesting. Answer Comrad's question. Sounds like the leeches screw up Medicare B by getting their 75% for free. It'll get worse with all of o-BAMA's "mentally disabled" leeches added the last couple of years.
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wix
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Archy
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12/2/2012 9:12:40 AM
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Good spin. Next I'd like to see you spin yourself enough to define yourself as a conservative according to you own definition. Bet you can do it in a thousand words or less. What BS.
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WHAT IS A LIBERAL
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12/2/2012 9:48:36 AM
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A liberal (not a leftwing extremist) in my thinking believes the natural order of things is to progress toward more freedom of thought and action. A liberal does not believe in government action for the sake of action but does believe government should and must take action when inaction would make things worse for the "masses". For instance...in 1932 the very competent and honorable Herbert Hoover proposed to follow the conservative mantra and let the marketplace self correct. For FDR that was not good enough in the conditions of the time and he instituted government intervention to avoid, at best, extreme suffering by the least among us and, at worst, revolution. Liberals believe that ultimately each conscience must determine moral values and that only when those values intrude on the life or liberty or property of others should restrictions be imposed. Liberals believe that a system of taxation which promotes good should be encouraged. Liberals believe that the freedom to speak out without restriction is the ultimate freedom. Liberals believe in military might to protect our shores even when we go to other shores to do it but not in military adventurism to influence who rules others. Liberals believe in talking even with your opponents (enemies even) to promote understand (avoidance of conflict) until it becomes obvious that such talk is not productive...in a word liberals believe in a endorse compromise.
My most admired liberal was Harry Truman
POLITICAL SPECTRUM as I think I remember it from "Todays Isims" (sorry...Cannot remember the author) from my college days:
COMMUNIST/DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST/LIBERAL/CENTRIST/CONSERVATIVE/CORPORATIST/FASCIST
Complete government control lies at each end ..I stand a little right of centrist on many issues (especially fiscal) and a little left of centrist on many issues (especially social) and I think the vast majority of Americans outside the deep south are in the same place. You folks on Lake Martin or living in a bubble defined by Lush Windbag, FAUX News and Martiny Man.
BTW: Do you know that after Windel Wilkie lost to FDR in 1940, the two of them corresponded seriously about the possibility and need of a new Liberal political party after the war (already on in Europe and both men knew that eventually we would be drawn in) with both of them as members. To be sure it would be based on foreign policies more than social or fiscal, but a specific Liberal Party with both the Republican and Democratic standard bearers of 1940 in the ranks.
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architect
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YOU ARE WELL AQUAINTED WITH BS!!
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12/2/2012 9:49:48 AM
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GoneFishin
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Comrade and Wixxie
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12/2/2012 10:51:55 AM
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Give a man the answer and you teach him for a day. Teach a man to use Google and you teach him for a lifetime.
!. Go to Google
2. enter: How Is Medicare Funded
3. Select Gov't Medicare site
4. Read answer
5. Post answer for all to read
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wix
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Goof
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12/2/2012 1:52:30 PM
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You said to see what your guvment says about funding Medicare. I'd prefer to reference some source not prone to lie so much. How 'bout Drudge or Fox?
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wix
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GOOFY
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12/2/2012 3:59:38 PM
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While I'm checking out your guvment source for truth I'll believe the guvment crap about 7.9% unemployment, and 1.7% inflation rate, too. Geez, worthless!
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comrade
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WHAT IS A LIBERAL
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12/2/2012 7:23:15 PM
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And where in the spectrum does our current Democratic and Republican parties lie?
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architect
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WHERE DO PARTIES LIE?...Just my observation
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12/3/2012 8:18:10 AM
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GOP
The "base" (or at least what passes as the base) of the GOP lies at least 2/3ds of the way to fascism. The fiscal emphasis (country club Republicans) are laissez-faire corporatists and the real religious nuts are supportive of a theocracy. Thankfully the average for elected GOP office holders is a bit closer to the center but moving further right with every election (and this is a bad thing).
DEMS
The so called base is very liberal but no where near socialist no matter what Michelle Bachmann, Louie Gomert and Allen West (aren't you guys at least a little ashamed to have these folks in Congress as Republicans?) espouse. The average of the Democratic office holder is about 75% toward liberal from the center but moving left with each election (and this is a bad thing too)
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architect
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You're kidding of course
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12/3/2012 8:20:11 AM (updated 12/3/2012 8:23:40 AM)
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Roger Ailes and Matt Dredge wouldn't know the truth if it bit them in the fanny! If it did bite them in the fanny they would lie about it.
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comrade
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You're kidding of course
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12/3/2012 8:22:52 AM
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Are you familiar with the second law of thermodynamics?
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