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Bush vs. Obama Video
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9/28/2009 6:57:41 AM
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Is it not obvious when the "Emperor" inters the room!
URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHz5tevLAw
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water_watcher
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Great ... thanks for sharing
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9/28/2009 7:26:10 AM
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Talullahhound
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Bush vs. Obama Video
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9/28/2009 12:33:19 PM
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Obviously, two completely different forums -- one in Anbar Province in Iraq; the other a more formal gathering in Camp LeJuene. The first appears to me to be mostly made up of enllisted people in an informal setting. The second is probably an officer graduation or other formal function, judging by how they are dressed and how the President is dressed.
The President does not get to pick how he is introduced or if the Hail to the Chief is played.
That's why I think these You Tube videos are such a waste of time. They can be edited to show whatever you want.
And I think it is disrespectful to call either President by a nickname. I don't know what has become of basic courtesy and respect in this country -- and I doubt I'll find the answer here.
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MrHodja
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Bush vs. Obama Video
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9/28/2009 1:08:16 PM
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I noticed the same thing about the setting....but in your heart of hearts do you think Barack Obama is as well thought of by the United States Marine Corps and the rest of the DoD as George W. Bush?
Respect is something that is earned. Only time will tell whether Obama will earn that respect form our military. I don't think he has done it yet.
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MartiniMan
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Bush vs. Obama Video
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9/28/2009 1:55:03 PM
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I tend to agree that they seemed like totally different forums. One spurred what appeared to be a genuine, spontaneous show of affection for Bush in what appeared to be a less formal setting. The other showed what appeared to be a more formal setting although it looked like the senior military officers were clapping and the enlisted men did not take the cue or were told not to clap or something.
Having said all that, I think there is no doubt that the jury is still out on Mr. Obama as far as his view of the military and that would certainly cause a more reserved reception.
On the note of respect for the President, I think you have to go back into our long history and you will see a lack of respect for certain occupants of that office that would make us cringe today. Some of the political cartoons and posters about Abe Lincoln makes today's conduct mild by comparison. Politics is an ugly business and after 8 years of hearing the left say the most vile things about Bush, we have become somewhat desensitized to it.
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dvine
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Bush vs. Obama Video
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9/28/2009 10:37:23 PM
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Are you serious in saying that after taking over auto companies, banks, and firing the CEO's that he does not have the authority to decide on his entrance. Yeah, right.
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Talullahhound
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Political Cartoons are one
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9/28/2009 10:59:20 PM
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thing; but to refer to Bush as Dubya and to Obama as Barry -- you don't have to respect the man to respect the office. Whether one likes what the man does in office, he's still the President of the US.
I think this goes back to the Clinton era --
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Talullahhound
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Bush vs. Obama Video
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9/28/2009 11:01:53 PM
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Of course he has the authority -- but it's not general practice for the President to do this. And I think if you looked you could find any number of instances where Hail to the Chief was played when Bush entered a room.
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lotowner
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Bush vs. Obama Video
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9/28/2009 11:07:56 PM
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I believe that respect for this country most certainly should be a part of day to day conversations and especially when the Commander in Chief gives speeches in Egypt and other points ex USA. The question is - Has President Obama done this in some of his speeches outside the country.
Also, should the Commander in Chief talk to his Commander in the field in Afghanistan just one time in the past 70 days especially after the General has submitted a request for additional support. He certainly has not taken this long on legislation that he wants.
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Talullahhound
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Bush vs. Obama Video
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9/28/2009 11:16:47 PM
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I have no insight into how Obama is perceived by the Marines or DoD. Bush was still in office when I retired, and I don't remember Bush being particularly respected or loved by the military any more or less than anyone else (other than Clinton, for obvious reasons). I do remember a lot of pissed off people about extended deployments with no warning, and a rather large scandal about how returning vets were being treated by the VA.
I think how the military ultimately feels about Obama will depend on what happens in Afghanistan and where our policies go there. I'm a little worried when I hear McCrystal talking about protecting the population and maybe not going so hard after the enemy. The military is trained to fight and go after the bad guys -- not babysit the population. Everytime we lose sight of the mission, or the mission is not clear, you end up with an unhappy military.
But, I think it is a waste of time to compare who was better or worse. What is the signifigance now if Bush was beloved by the Marines? Bush is history. So what is really the point of a video like this?
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Talullahhound
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Bush vs. Obama Video
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9/28/2009 11:22:51 PM
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I guess that depends on how often he's talking to the CENTCOM Commander. I assume the military still works that information flows upward (and Sh*t flows down LOL), so if McCrystal and staff are flowing information upward to Petrateus and he's talking daily/weekly to the President, then I guess I don't really care.
This could be more about the relationship between McCrystal and Petraus than the President and McCrystal. And then of course, there is the SECDEF in there too.
This only says to me that Obama is letting McCrystal run his war. Sometimes no news is good news. And we don't know how often he speaks to his Commander in Iraq either.
In fact, do we know how often Bush spoke to Petraeous? I don't think so.
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Talullahhound
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One other Thing
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9/28/2009 11:27:30 PM
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Hasn't Obama already said that they are going to send additional troops to Afghanistan? I believe he has -- so then it's up to McCrystal and Petreus to figure out what kind of troops they need and work with the Pentagon on where they are going to come from.
You know, we do have a SECDEF, A Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, a Centcom Commander and the various Service Chiefs. So it's not likely that Obama is in the dark about Afghanistan -- it may be McCrystal's ego that is bruised since you don't get to be a 4 star without a rather large ego.
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MartiniMan
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Political Cartoons are one
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9/29/2009 8:51:23 AM
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Oh I don't know, a poster depicting Lincoln as a monkey (one of many making fun of his appearance) would strike any thinking person as more disrespectful than calling him Abe. Besides, I called Bush Dubya all the time as it comes from the bumper sticker with just a "W". I never took it as disrespectful.
I still disagree about this being a new phenomenon and although it waxes and wanes it is always there. Carville called Bush 41 stupid.....recall the "It' the economy, stupid"? And please don't insult our intelligence by trying to claim this refers to someone else. It may have been ascendant during Clinton's terms because of his lack of character.
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Talullahhound
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You Know
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9/29/2009 4:39:02 PM
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Until you said that, I never thought of it that way, but you might be entirely correct. Figures someone like Carville would come up with it -- I've never especially liked him and I'm not sure I think he is all that smart.
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MartiniMan
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Some great examples
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9/29/2009 9:58:40 PM
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These are direct quotes of Democrats during the 1964 election (Goldwater v. Johnson).
Martin Luther King: "We see dangerous signs of Hitlerism in the Goldwater campaign"
Calif Gov. Pat Browne on Goldwater's acceptance speech: "...had the stench of fascism....All we needed to hear was Heil Hitler"
Jackie Robinson: "I now believe I know how it felt to be a Jew in Hitler's Germany"
SF Mayor John Shelley: "Republicans had Mein Kampf as their political bible"
And that doesn't include the media coverage which was even worse. My point here is not to pick on Democrats per se (although I do love to do so), but just to point out that there is as the old saying goes, nothing new under the sun. Mean spirited politics, lack of respect for politicians by other politicians and the general public are as old as the republic itself. We have such a short memory in this country and tend to view history from a very parochial perspective (temporally speaking).
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