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MartiniMan
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Bayh is history
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2/15/2010 12:20:50 PM
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In yet another blow to the Democrat party Evan Bayh has decided not to run for reelection in Indiana. He read the tea leaves and realized he had not a hope or prayer of being reelected. While he was characterized as a moderate Dem he voted party line with the Messiah and is history as a result. Not only that, but he appears to be gearing up to oppose the Messiah in 2012. A complete waste of time but hey, I am all for a sitting President having a contested primary as long as its on the Dem side.
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MAJ USA RET
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Bayh is history
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2/15/2010 2:05:54 PM
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Am I to believe that the people have been heard? Is it a realization that the voice is, "NO CONFIDENCE?"
Perhaps Bayh should have paid attention to history.
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wix
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Bayh is history
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2/15/2010 2:37:16 PM
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Hate to see all these liberal b------- quit. They should have to run, then they could meet the firing squads of voters, and find out just how much they are loved. Betcha Reid "retires".
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rude evin
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Bayh is history
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2/15/2010 4:57:47 PM
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The silence from our liberal/dem/progressive friends is deafening- with a reverberating echo that seems to be saying "holy Pelosi, we're in some deep doo doo here".
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Mack
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Bayh is history
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2/15/2010 7:39:37 PM
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I like to pray that the backlash will grow to include all Public Officials whether elected or appointed, regardless of party affiliation. Maybe something good can come out of this.
My big concern is that our "Memory" is short, and that this current focus on good government will fade by election day.
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blmeanie
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Bayh is history
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2/15/2010 7:54:16 PM
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I was raised in Taxachussetts and consider myself an independent. I try to vote for the candidates that will succeed on behalf of the country for where the country is at a point in time.
Did all you self proclaimed conservatives bash Bush and Cheney for the wonderful job they did? Will you bash whomever the Repubs put in the office in the backdraft of Obama (assuming you don't have a valid candidate other than Palin)? Didn't think so.
The same problems that are in Congress seem to be present in posts here. All sides like to bash and bash often. Oddly, only the country receives the pain.
The system doesn't work anymore, nobody worth a damn will likely run leaving lesser of two evil elections.
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Talullahhound
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Bayh is history
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2/15/2010 9:38:30 PM
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What you are saying about his reason for not running again is not true. He apparently had no concerns about re-election. But, he is truly disgusted by the partisan politics in Washington. There are people that go to Washington because they believe that they will accomplish something there.
But, don't get me wrong. I think it is a positive thing that a lot of Democrats and Republicans are not running for re-election. Congress needs new blood.
BTW, I read today that McCain is considering his prospects... indications are that he may have a problem getting re-elected too.
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rude evin
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BLM...........
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2/15/2010 10:41:27 PM
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I haven't gotten that cynical about life or politics yet as to think the "system doesn't work anymore"......actually if you think about it a bit, the system is about to work as intended by the framers.......if this outrage doesn't peter out before election day! But, I guess I can understand your point of view, it seems one of Mass. most liberal congressmen....William Delahunt (D) former D.A.( I believe) has just decided that he might decide not to run this next term. It seems that Mr. Delahunt had something to do with the dismissal of the case of the Bishop lady ( who just alledgely shot, killed and wounded some university people in Al) when she accidently unloaded 3 shots into her brother some years ago. The case was dismissed, detectives were reassigned and the paper work has been lost. I think the current police chief there now is going to re-open the case. Now that, will make anybody cynical. For a lot of reasons I hope Delahunt and any others like him are booted out. The system works, sometimes slow but, it works.
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MartiniMan
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Bayh is history
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2/16/2010 8:55:12 AM
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Look closely at the state of Indiana and you will see what I am saying is 100% correct. His approval numbers have dropped to 45% (even worse with independents). In internal polls he is behind several potential opponents including John Hostettler, Dan Coats and others. Every single one of his proteges have gone down in flames in the last few years including including the governorship, the mayor Indy (who lost to an unknown GOP candidate with only $500K in campaign funds), he barely got Hillary the nod in Indiana for the primaries and even his choice for the Dem governor candidate lost. He has been pilloried on the left for being a supposed centrist and the right has discovered he votes with Obama 75% of the time. He has also been abused for his cozy relationships with Big Pharma and voted for the health care boobdoggle in exchange for $100M of our money for an Indy hospital.
Honestly Hound, do a little research before you tell me I'm wrong. You spend too much time watching MSDNC (formerly PMSnbc). As for McCain, I hope he packs it in and paves the way for a real conservative.
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MartiniMan
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Another "independent" on the forum
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2/16/2010 9:16:57 AM
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You are obviously new to the forum so I will educate you about the conservatives here. Every single one of us opposed Bush's domestic spending and his moniker of compassionate conservative which is code for small big-government. We opposed prescription drug and other increases in domestic discretionary spending. So don't presume to know what we will or won't do. Any GOP candidate that is not a fiscal conservative will be criticized by conservatives on this forum. But your description of Bush/Cheney is incorrect on the whole despite their many foibles.
As a so-called independent, can we thank you as just another vote for Obamination? The problem with many so-called independents is they don't really stand for anything and wait until they see which way the wind is blowing and vote that way (hence we get the Messiah) or they have such a mishmash of ideas that are constantly in a state of flux that they can vote all over the place. And finally there are those so-called independents that are really liberals in hiding and have never voted for a GOP candidate in their lives. All have one thing in common, they view their self-proclaimed status as independent as somehow morally superior to those who identify with the GOP or the Demoncrats. But the fact is they usually vote for one party of the other depending on whether they are more conservative or more liberal and on what issues they revolve (i.e., fiscal or social).
What you seem to have a problem with is people who have core principals that we believe because they are right and have been tested and proven valid over and over again over long periods of time. My core principals are very straight forward, I believe in limited federal government, a strong national defense, limited taxation, limited government interference in the markets and traditional values. List for me one Demoncrat candidate that hits on more than one of these and I'll consider voting for them.
We also know what does not work because there is nothing new under the sun and all we have to do is look at history as a way to debunk liberal fantasies. We vote for candidates that hew as close to our principals as possible and unlike independents or third-party losers we will always take the lesser of two evils. That's what logical, thinking adults do. You can wish and hope and dream that the perfect candidate comes along (which for independents like you its someone who believes what you believe, whatever that happens to be this week, month or year), but all you are going to get is incompetents like Obama.
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lamont
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I just love....
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2/16/2010 10:25:08 AM
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Self-proclaimed "independents." I promise you, every "independent" that I know personally, votes straight line Democrat. You know, I am a conservative and I don't mind being called a "wingnut" or whatever. Why can't Liberals admit they are liberals?
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MAJ USA RET
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Not necessarily so
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2/16/2010 10:59:32 AM
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I am "independent". I would vote for any democrat who is for "limited federal government, a strong national defense, limited taxation, limited government interference in the markets and traditional values" (thank you MM). I have voted for a Democrat candidate for governor based on those principles (Bredesen, TN). I most assuredly, DID NOT vote for the current pretender who is, with the aid of Pelosi and Reid and the dysfunctional Legislative Branch, stampeding our nation toward the fate of Greece… the first EU domino to fall.
I refuse to give money or support to the current Republican party because they reneged on their promise to uphold values (1994 – “Contract with America”). I will not likely vote for Shelby in his next round.
That said, a vote for a third party candidate is a vote against yourself under current conditions. For example, Perot gave us Bill Clinton and Nader gave us George Bush. I would give money to the Tea Party., but I would not vote for a candidate running under the “Tea Party” banner.
As y’all have certainly discerned from my previous posts on the forum, I am Constitutional originalist. That trait alone makes me “conservative.” I understand Gov Palin... her values are my values.
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MartiniMan
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Not necessarily so
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2/16/2010 11:19:28 AM
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My focus is really on so-called independents that never vote for a GOP candidate because they are so confused in their belief system or they are a liberal in hiding. There is no doubt that there is a small minority of independents that are at odds with the GOP over their big government ways. A lot of the Tea Party denizens would probably call themselves independent rather than Republican.
What I am saying is that what we need to do is to restore the GOP to fiscal sanity which is where they have strayed. I think the Tea Party movement has the potential to do that but also has the potential to reelect Demoncrats by splitting the conservative vote. It is a fine line we are walking and the GOP needs to be very, very careful. So I say with regard to the GOP, "Mend it, don't end it". We can do that but it will take activism and effort.
As for giving money, I only support individual candidates anymore. I will not give money to the RNC or other national political funds. I just can't trust how they spend the money.
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Dixie Drifter
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Bayh is history
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2/17/2010 12:49:13 PM
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Me thinks "Juan" McShame is a walking dead man.
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