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jawjagal
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5/5/2006 8:01:20 AM
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I quickly looked back on my messages sent and I didn't see this. I have told this recently to several people, but I can't remember if I posted here or not:
According to my hometown newspaper - a front page article about the growth in Georgia where it indicated how our county had grown. Coweta County was the 68th fastest growing county in the United States.
But the bigger news was that out of the top 100 fastest growing counties in the country -
18 are in Georgia. 18 !!!!!!!!! that's almost 20% of the nation! in ONE state!
Even little White County around Sautee - Nacoochee (sp?) in NE Georgie was 99th.
Sure, you've still got your Gwinnetts in the top 5 or at least 10 - with Henry, Newton, Douglas?, Cherokee? - I mean I can't think of them all....but that is just staggering to me.
Anybody know anything about Alabama's growth like this?
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5/5/2006 10:01:16 AM
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You live closer and are more in touch. Give us your analysis. What are the demographics. Where is the population change coming from. Data on age of population changes might give indictions of retirements community growth? Demographics on culture or creed might give indications of whether the flight from South of the Border (Hispanic) is settling in the area. Job markets might indicate whether there is growth in a job market like high tech or auto industry. Are certain suburbs such as Atlanta filtrating out much as has happened in Montgomery, Alabama but to a much larger extent population wise. There is even the possibly and different reason for each community growth in those Georgia areas.
Every retirement seminar tells future retires of the baby boomer generation the negative aspects of retiring in Florida. My mail box is stuffed on literature for communiites in North and South Carolina. Is it possible that the overflow or influx is going into the Georgia Communities near there.
Give us your analysis.
Property taxes in many areas are eating people's lunch that are retired and on fixed incomes. They just dramatically reduced the property tax rate in counties around me in Virginia (reduction of 20 to 30 cents per hundred) but the escalations in appraised property values have continued to raise propety tax by over four to five hundred dollars a year per average piece of property. Property owners are sometimes finding their tax and insurance bills higher than their mortgage. Some imigrant children numbers in public schools is overtaking the budgets of many communities.
Why it it jawgagal? Give us your view.
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jawjagal
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5/5/2006 10:55:19 AM
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I am going to type in CAPS to answer your questions after the question (this is when I wish we could type in color different font.)
You live closer and are more in touch. Give us your analysis. What are the demographics.
1. I WOULD SAY IT IS PARTLY THE HISPANICS, BUT IN SOME AREAS, IT IS AFRICAN AMERICAN. STONECREST MALL WAS BUILT ON THE DEKALB/ROCKDALE COUNTY LINE WITH TAX INCENTIVES BY THE STATE (BECAUSE IT TOOK ABOUT 14 YEARS TO BUILD ON THE PROPERTY DESIGNATED FOR A MALL). IT IS LOCATED IN A PREDOMINATELY AFFLUENT - UPPER MIDDLE CLASS A-A POPULATION IN DEKALB COUNTY. IT WAS TOUTED AS THE PREMIER A-A MALL. OPRAH WINFREY AND EBONY MAGAZINE (TWICE) CLAIMED THE PLACE TO BE WAS NEAR THE MALL. ROCKDALE COUNTY SCHOOLS WERE SUPERIOR. A-A CAME FROM NEW YORK, CALIFORNIA, AND BOUGHT UP REAL ESTATE. I HAVE NOT SEEN BUT HEARD, THAT CONYERS (ROCKDALE COUNTY) IS THE FASTEST GROWING A-A POPULATION IN THE U.S. CLAYTON COUNTY -SOUTH OF ATLANTA - (JONESBORO) IS MAJORITY A-A.
Where is the population change coming from. Data on age of population changes might give indictions of retirements community growth?
2. GO TO ROCKDALE COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WEBSITE. AND OTHER COUNTIES, TOO. IT WILL TELL THE MOST RECENT DEMOGRAPHIC INFLUX. I DON'T THINK IT'S RETIREMENT AGE. RETIREES ARE SPREADING OUT AND GOING TO OCONEE COUNTY (REYNOLDS PLANTATION), WATKINSVILLE (CLARKE? COUNTY), WHITE COUNTY(MOUNTAINS). BUT I DON'T THINK - BUT MAYBE - LIBERTY COUNTY, NEAR SAVANNAH MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE COUNTIES - IS THE ONLY ONE NEAR GEORGIA COAST, IF IT ONE AT ALL. I WILL TRY TO FIND THOSE COUNTIES AGAIN. MOST WERE LOCATED AROUND ATLANTA.
Demographics on culture or creed might give indications of whether the flight from South of the Border (Hispanic) is settling in the area.
3. THERE IS AN INFLUX OF HISPANIC IN MANY COUNTIES. SOME COUNTIES YOU WOULDN'T THINK OF, BUT NOT ON THE LIST. AND YES, THE COUNTIES ON THE LIST.
Job markets might indicate whether there is growth in a job market like high tech or auto industry. Are certain suburbs such as Atlanta filtrating out much as has happened in Montgomery, Alabama but to a much larger extent population wise
4. OH, YES. EITHER WHITE FLIGHT OR RETIREMENT AGE IS MOVING ON OUT FURTHER FROM ATLANTA - AN HOUR - BUT WILL STILL BE A PART OF THE ATLANTA LANDSCAPE. CLOSE ENOUGH TO ENJOY ATLANTA ON OCCASSION, BUT LOOKING FOR SOMETHING ELSE IN THEIR TOWNS, WHICH WERE LITTLE TOWNS, BUT QUICKLY ACCOMODATING THEIR NEW ARRIVALS WITH RESTAURANTS, AMPHITHEATRES, RECREATION, SHOPS, THINGS TO DO.
OH, AND SCHOOLS.
. There is even the possibly and different reason for each community growth in those Georgia areas.
Every retirement seminar tells future retires of the baby boomer generation the negative aspects of retiring in Florida.
5. WHAT IS THEIR TAX BREAK IN FLORIDA? I FORGOT.
My mail box is stuffed on literature for communiites in North and South Carolina. Is it possible that the overflow or influx is going into the Georgia Communities near there.
Give us your analysis.
Property taxes in many areas are eating people's lunch that are retired and on fixed incomes. They just dramatically reduced the property tax rate in counties around me in Virginia (reduction of 20 to 30 cents per hundred) but the escalations in appraised property values have continued to raise propety tax by over four to five hundred dollars a year per average piece of property. Property owners are sometimes finding their tax and insurance bills higher than their mortgage. Some imigrant children numbers in public schools is overtaking the budgets of many communities.
Why it it jawgagal? Give us your view.
I HOPE I HAVE GIVEN AN OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS. WILL RESEARCH MORE FOR YOU WHEN I HAVE TIME.
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Osms
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5/5/2006 11:04:14 AM
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Interestingly, GA has something like 170 counties--2 and 1/2 time the number is AL (and most other states). I think your stat is % which might mean 100 new Latinas in a mobile home in some of those sparsely populated areas.
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jawjagal
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5/5/2006 11:26:28 AM
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I think it's 152, or 158 or something. I used to know.
Also, I went through my county's newspaper archives and can't seem to find the article, unless it was last year's article...I'll check 2005. But I did see a lot of headlines about industry moving this way. Kia plant, Atlanta developers building here, etc.
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GoneFishin
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Florida Taxes
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5/5/2006 12:20:30 PM
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Taxes in Florida are great for a resident. No income tax. Property tax is designed to cap it for residents as follows:
Homestead exemption $25,000 off the assessed value
Assessed value for taxes can only increase a maximum of 3% per year
Property in our county, and I assume statewide, is assessed initially for 90% of the sale price
Taxes in our county are $1.00 per $100 of assessed value.
A home purchased in 1998 for $100,000 will be assessed in 2006 for $$82,000 with a tax bill of $820. The market value is currently around $500,000. A new buyer would be assessed at 90% and would pay taxes based on $450,000 or $4,500.
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5/5/2006 12:20:33 PM
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Thank you gal/Girl/Lady. I hope you realize the respect I intended for each name. It is inteneded respectfully. I think yo are quite on top of my point of what is causing the changes
We all need to watch the demographic flows. It is important to the type of neighborhood we want to live in. Many of us are retiring and are not so much looking for the neighborhoods with schools and scoccer fields. We are also not looking for the roads with heavy commuter traffic.
We possibly are looking for golf couses (not my cup of tea) or the water sports.
It is very gratifying to reach a point in your life where you can choose a location that brings you the pleasure you have worked and sacriiced to obtain;
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jawjagal
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5/5/2006 1:11:19 PM
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Right, Feb. We may not be interested in schools or soccer fields, but if schools go down, so goes the neighborhood and you know that's investment money.
Resort areas? I am not sure of. But I do know even resort areas - Destin, even Lake Martin - have good schools. Look at Russell High's web page and accolades. But those are just 2 examples.
Sometimes I wonder, this day and time, to be willing to stay ahead of the market...go to hot areas, move before any real changes. Ever since the 1970's it has seemed this way. Don't stay any place too long (not resort - or maybe resort, I don't know - but certainly your primary residence.) My parents didn't have to do that. But it seems real estate is so fickle in some ways. Are things hot just because it's based on assumptions of it being so? Who drives the publicity up and then therefore pricing? Real estate agents? I used to be one. I have an opinion on that job!
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jawjagal
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Top 100 counties
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5/6/2006 10:36:30 AM
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Although, I couldn't find my article on the growth for 2005, I did find the following link for 2001 - 2002.
By 2005, Georgia had gone down. According to this article Georgia has 20 of the fastest growing counties. Followed by Florida and Texas with 11 each, and Virginia has 9 (by my quick count.)
Well, thank goodness we went DOWN to 18 counties by 2005.
www.chathamjournal.com/chathamgrowthusa02.shtml
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HoosierDaddy
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Not from around here, huh?
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5/6/2006 6:58:19 PM
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Benajmin Russell High is the last place on Earth anyone from here would allow their child to attend, unless they have aspirations of being a teenage, pregnant, illiterate, drug addicted dolt.
It is, perhaps, one of the worst schools in the country, for education or social experience.
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autiger
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Jawga
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5/6/2006 7:22:51 PM
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Auburn,I think was in the list of the fastest growing counties nationwide.You better hurry and buy your property.Auburn High was ranked in the top 100 high schools also.WAR EAGLE
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jawjagal
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hold on...
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5/6/2006 8:04:30 PM
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Thanks autiger...I saw that. They ranked 77th out 100 by Newsweek.
I just went by what I researched.
Russell HIgh's stats through the Alabama Department of Educations shows average SAT's, end of year course testing scores, graduation rate, etc.
Maybe what you say is true about pregnancy, etc. And it's no Auburn High.
But the statistics at there...and I start with demographics, test scores, etc. first, then go visit the campus and classes, and...then buy property ( I will still have one to go through high school and have to consider this.)
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Osms
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hold on...
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5/6/2006 9:16:03 PM
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If you live in Atlanta and still think population growth is the best measure of a desirable area to live or invest, then something is missing. As a teacher, you have to know that many school systems TEACH their students how to look good on standardized tests (those stats you're judging counties and cities by) . Quality of life is a personal judgement
made after careful evaluation of whether the area offers those assets you personnaly value.
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jawjagal
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OSMS - exactly
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5/6/2006 9:35:14 PM
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I despise standardized tests. Read FREAKANOMICS (the chapter -" What do teachers and sumo wrestlers have in common?" )
But, even while I despise them, I will deciper through the crap of what they mean, and get the information I want/need out of them.
Quality of life is another matter. Again, I have a child to raise. Education is very important to me. Not necessarily the public or even private school's definition of it. But I have to start somewhere. Usualy when one is good, the quality of life will parallel or follow...IMO. (for one who has a middle-schooler soon to be high schooler.)
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Osms
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OSMS - exactly
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5/6/2006 10:57:46 PM
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Know what you mean about educating the kids. We raised three daughters--had to use private schools twice (Memphis and Columbus, GA), but felt the kids were missing something. Wound up in a great public system 100 miles from my job, but it was worth it.
Not sure you'd find a great system around the lake--maybe Auburn. Like feb says, "You've got to know your 'demographics'!
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jawjagal
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And that is why...
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5/7/2006 10:35:08 AM
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Russell High was a better choice...not the best....but better than I would have thought - at least on PAPER...(on line - go look....really, it's OK).
But even though my property has gone up in value (like everyone's), I can't trade up without a bunch more money, and I don't want to put all my eggs in one real estate basket. I have to think of education, so Lake Martin is out for retirement for us (we can retire in 2 years when our youngest will be in 9th grade! I see you snickering out there! - or shaking your head....) So, I think our plans are to go to Auburn - on the 280 side, 20 minutes to the lake, great schools, and even closer to Destin (our other real estate)
I have another question....look on forum....
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BRHSboy
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SHUT UP
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5/7/2006 2:08:03 PM
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WE HAVE A COOL WESBITE THATS ALL THAT MATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BRHS 2COOL4U!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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