Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Blenkin Blames Trump
Date:	9/13/2021 7:45:41 PM

So Blenkin blames Trump for the decision to leave Afghanistan and claims it is Trump's fault that there was no plan for withdrawing.  At the same time, the Biden Administration wants to take credit for the decision to leave Afghanistan.  Being tone deaf, they don't get that people are upset about the way we left and the fact that people got left behind.  They pretend that they didn't have 8 months to figure out a way to withdraw without the chaos that took place.  And we know that if Trump had left behind a plan for orderly withdrawl, they would have thrown it out the window anyway.  

It would be amazing to me if, for once, someone in the Biden administration stood up and actually took responsibility for anything.  Joe says the "buck stops here", but I think what he means is that the buck is passed here.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Blenkin Blames Trump
Date:	9/14/2021 8:29:31 AM

Blinken knows one thing.  If they repeat a lie the media will dutifully pass it on as truth.  Interestingly, even some very ardent Trump haters I know say he would have never done it this way, would have never left military equipment and Americans behind, etc.  I'm just glad they are still talking about it and not the stupid mandate.  Everyone knows Dementia Joe has undone every single Trump accomplishment but now they want us to believe this one was set in stone?!?!?  Doesn't even remotely pass the red face test.  As Trump has pointed out on a number of occasions, the withdrawal was predicated on Taliban behavior.  They did not comply and Trump said he would not have withdrawn until they did.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	WHO?
Date:	9/15/2021 8:38:19 AM (updated 9/15/2021 8:43:27 AM)

Who negotiated a ''peace'' treaty with the Talaban (a treaty that had no input from the Afghan government we put in place) that established and pubicly announced a set date of May 1 2021 for a complete withdrawal of US troops and released 6000 Talaban thugs, including their current leader, from prison?  Who was so proud of his acheivement he wanted to celebrate it by entertaining the Talaban at Camp David on 9/11?

Joe Biden screwed up the final and continuing withdrawal royally (of course 130,000 people might disagree) but Donald J. Trump did not cover himself in glory either.  Sort of like 4 years of inglorious efforts!

Oh, MM maybe Blenkin learned the practice of Goebbel's law about telling lies until they become true from another expert practioner who immediately preceded his boss in the Oval office.

BTW: Hound, MM, Cong. Brooks...how many of the Afghans that have made it out will be welcome around Lake Martin?

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	WHO?
Date:	9/15/2021 9:19:24 AM (updated 9/15/2021 9:20:34 AM)

So what you are saying is that given 6+ months  the Biden admistration could not come up with any plan at all, since Trump set a date to get out, which Biden somehow modified and extended that exit date - but could not change anything else or during that time make any plans other then the pure chaos that we witnessed?  I guess in the age of participation trophies it makes sense, well you tried - you should get one as well for what in your mind was an attempt to pass the buck but it only made Biden look even more incompetent - if that was possible.

Glad to know that Biden and apparently the the entire military can not figure out how to pour water out of a boot with the instructions on the bottom?  That would explain why everyone is so concerned with the use of nukes, because that may be only way that this adminstration would be able to succeed at anything foreign or domestic at this point.

Your attempts to pass the buck shows you have such a low opinion of Biden and his military brass, hell they drone strike a aid worker and his family but when they actually have a suicide bomber locked on and tracking they do nothing, not even warn the soldiers in the path.  I guess in your mind Trump left a memo somewhere to murder innocent familes but give real terrorists a pass - just accept it dude, Biden is the current president and all your lame attempts at passing the buck just shows how incompetent Biden and his administration really are.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Happy to see you do not dispute my facts
Date:	9/15/2021 11:07:46 AM

of what Trump did leading up to the fiasco created by Biden.  Biden laid the egg on stage for act 2 but Trump wrote the play!

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Happy to see you do not dispute my facts!!
Date:	9/15/2021 11:44:24 AM (updated 9/15/2021 11:45:26 AM)

How many months should it have taken the diaper wearing mental patient, his advisors and the Pentagon to figure out a plan to remove people from a war zone?  Over 1/2 a year to plan is not long enough? Apparently not for the disaster that is the Biden administration.

You have admitted that he is incompetent and failed to think of anything over 6+ months to do anything other then pull the military early and leave everyone else on their own, in pure chaos and at the mercy of terrorists. 

You are not helping to make Biden look better with his participation trophy.  

How long is it going to be Trumps fault?  Are you going to continue to blame the previous administation for his entire term like you did for Oblamer???

Just suck it up, admit that Biden is an idiot and embrace the disaster that is his administration.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Happy to see you do not dispute my facts
Date:	9/15/2021 3:26:03 PM (updated 9/15/2021 3:29:54 PM)

Just for fun lets do a little math

40 hour work week, 52 weeks in a year is 2080 work hours - figure he had 1/2 a year to plan the disaster in Afganastran the numbers of hours for planning could be as high as 1040 hours (40 hour work week, 1/2 year per person of planning time).  Now we know that Biden loves to call a lid by noon, so we can probably reduce that number considerably for Biden himself - but I would think that some of those cabinet members, joint chiefs, military generals may have put in a few hours here and there that might make up for some of his sleepy/lid time.

Hell even an hour a day daydreaming about it for half a years worth of a work week would be 182 hours of planning time per person.  How many person hours do you think was used to come up with "Well Trump didnt do it for us"  that could have been used for actual planning???

And yet the excuse is, someone else did not make us a plan????  Can you please give us a timeframe in your mind that would have allowed dementia Biden and his incompetent cabinet/joint chiefs and all the other morons in government to come up with a plan?

Reuters Biden Afgan timeline

Lets just play with the timeline some.  April 14 Biden announced withdrawal on May 1 ending on Sept 11.  Lets assume that Biden didnt even know prior to April that Afganastan existed, with his dementia it is possible.  For easier math and not worrying to much about actual work weeks, was the announcement on a Wednesday or a Friday. 

Well found a better way to estimate it, looking at the period May 1st - August 31st using this link to exclude weekends and holidays ( there was 4 in this time period apparently)  Biden had 83 works days, lets just leave it at 1 hour per day set aside for planning per person.  That is 83 hours per person of planning time, now we know that presidents do not actually do the work and have a ton of people to help with things like planning.  So instead of trying to come up with a realistic number of people in the military, joint chiefs, cabinet, vice pres, state department, ambassadors who were stationed in the region etc.  Lets just for fun say 20 people, but as you and I know the number is wayyyy to small.

So 1 hour per day for 5 days, or just 5 hours scheduled per week and 20 people would have spend 1660 planning hours over this period of time.  Yet that would apparently not even be enough for Bidens team to overcome any lack of a plan.  The fact that they extended the deadline makes their(and your) excuse even more laughable if they had kept the origional 5/1 deadline from inaguration he would have only had 70 work days to think about it, but in reality from his inaguration till Sept 11th had 160 work days to not make a plan.

I know there is an old saying about sticking enough monkeys in a room full of typewriters that one of them will eventually write Hamlet or some movie script( or a good evacuation plan from Afganastan), but to have the excuse that someone did not do our job for us versus thinking that given the size of the federal government and the people who are in charge of planning in the military could probably be outdone by some monkeys in a room in terms of hammering out a proper evacuation plan does not give me any confidence in this administration.  

So again I put to you, at what point in time would the potato head in charge have had enough time to come up with a plan?  From the Oblamer days we know that it takes more then 8 years before it is no longer inherited and the buck actually stops where it belongs.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	As I said ''Biden royally screwed up...."
Date:	9/16/2021 6:56:59 AM (updated 9/16/2021 6:59:40 AM)

Bottom line, you can whine, whine, whine 'til Jesus comes back, but you have not disputed a single fact I posted about the Trump moves that preceded Biden's screw ups.  Until you can, you are just pissing in the wind and showing your true colors as nothing but a Trump Cultist!  

Now, one more time...who appointed Gen Milley and what was your opinion of the military between Jan 20 2017 and Jan 20 2021?

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	As I said ''Biden royally screwed up...."
Date:	9/16/2021 8:54:59 AM (updated 9/16/2021 9:47:30 AM)

Well since you can say Biden "Royally screwed up" I will concede that Trump screwed up when he hired Milley - now since we now know that Milley loves going around the chain of command, back channeling China - Who is the screwup who kept him on and continues to this day to defend him and keep him employed??????? I will go so far as to say that a lot of Trumps hires left me scratching my head, as many were just insane leftists like yourself.

So Trump hires a traitor and idiot who could not plan a pull out on a Saturday night let alone from a war zone(well apparently about the same amount of planning went into either one) - and that is who BIDEN put in charge and continues to defend him.  Wonder what will happen as Biden continues his dementia slide - how many more phone calls can world leaders expect from Milley calling to let them know that just because puddin brain is drooling that he is really not in charge of nothing.  My confidence in this administration is going lower and lower the more you type and the more someone has to shut off the mic before Taliban Joe goes off script.

Biden has became more of a joke then you are but the rest of the world is laughing at us, not with us.  

Bottom line, you can whine, whine, whine 'til Jesus comes back, but you have not disputed a single fact I posted about the Trump moves that preceded Biden's screw ups.  Until you can, you are just pissing in the wind and showing your true colors as nothing but a Trump Cultist!  

Yes Trump established a deadline, which Biden changed and moved, if he could change this why could he not change anything else?  Now I know logic is really difficule for you - so I will type it slowly - B I D E N  C H A N G E D  T H E  D E A D L I N E, was not Trump or anyone else,  Biden had time to come up with his own plan did he not?  He did not keep any of Trumps other plans for the Mexican Border or anything else, if there was a plan - would he have kept it?  Is it not the Pentagons and military brass who should have these types of plans ready for when/if things go wrong?  Such as Slo-Joe thinking the pullout of a war zone was about the same as how Hunter handles his high dollar escorts?

Now, one more time...who appointed Gen Milley and what was your opinion of the military between Jan 20 2017 and Jan 20 2021?

Yes Milley was appointed by Trump, Biden kept him on and is defending him. Our military is one of the best in the world ( even today ) when politicans give them clear objectives and get the hell out of the way to let them do their job, or they can screw it up like what we saw with Mogadishu, Benghazi or Afganastan. Now had Trump been in charge and screwed it up as badly as Taliban Joe, then I would be saying the same things, I feel that you could not say the same.   - CULT INDEED!!!!!!!!! 

Now I ask you yet again one more time - How many days, months, years would it take for this to be Bidens responsiblity ??? How long would it take for the administration to overcome its claimed "lack of plan"????  Since you say that Trump met with them and created a deadline ( that Joe changed) and it was all set in stone and that Joe was powerless to be able to do anything at all(other then change the deadline)or is it just a way to pass the buck that Slo Joe is just really that slow and unable to do the job?????

It is funny you call others a cult, when you fit the description so perfectly.  You claim you follow the science, with your head either in the sand or up your fanny, while refusing to even look at other viewpoints. You call Trump literally Hitler, but when Biden does things that are clearly executive overreach you look the other way. I have found that must be staring in a mirror most days when you type your insults because they are so descriptive of you....

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	As I said ''Biden royally screwed up...."
Date:	9/17/2021 10:53:49 AM (updated 9/17/2021 11:09:19 AM)

Now that I have answered your question can you please answer mine??

How much time should it take for Biden, joint chiefs, Pentagon, the whole damn military, advisors and the cabinet who were well aware of the timetables to come up with a plan besides the complete cluster F that we witnessed????

I doubt you answer, and if you do it will probably be yet again some pass the buck back to Trump vs actually giving probably the same amount of time to your response that Biden gave the pull out.  Well Trump had a deadline, had a meeting and he origionally hired Milley so its all his fault that Biden continued his employment and didnt bother to come up a plan other then "Lets just wing it and see what happens, if the worse happens we can just blame Trump for our absolute disaster."