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Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/11/2008 7:52:31 AM

Who is Barack Obama?

U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu , Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita , Kansas . Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii . When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia . When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia . Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta . He also spent two years in a Catholic school. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school." Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that he is not a radical.

Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.

Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta . Wahabism is the RAD ICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.

ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.

Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama
turns his back to the flag and slouches.

Do you want someone like this as your PRESIDENT of the greatest nation on earth?

Name:	Lady -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/11/2008 8:22:13 AM

Sigh..........Hate to seek facts. They are unkind to opinion.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp

URL: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp

Name:	UncleSam -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/11/2008 9:34:39 AM

I am used to negative politics, so the constant Obama smears are just business as usual.

But I am noticing that they keep using the SAME smears, even after the smears have long been proven untrue.

When you can't think of anything that is both BAD and TRUE to say about your opponent, it must mean that that opponent is worthy.

So while my mind isn't made up yet, the smear campaign is doing a good job of helping me decide. It just isn't helping me decide in the direction they hope.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/11/2008 9:56:05 AM

So where are the mans accomplishments ... I'm still waiting ... and waiting. One just one ... please. You are so quick to fire at Palin who has actual accomplishments and experience ... and she is in the #2 spot. Where are they for your man Obama. Come on ... put up or shut up.

Name:	want2beonlake -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/11/2008 10:57:14 AM

okay - here you go and once again, I am still undecided on who I am plan on voting on.

Since entering the U.S. Senate in January 2005, Senator Obama has written approximately 890 bills and co-sponsored an additional 1096.

Senators Obama and McCain have been running to be the nominee for President for their parties since January 2007. Therefore the 890 bills written by Senator Obama and the 1096 he co-sponsored all occurred in a 2-year span. That shows that he is a prolific and tireless Senator.

Because of the long-drawn-out nature of passing laws in the Senate many of his bills are still in committee and some were vetoed by republicans. Senator Obama has an impressive record by anyone’s standard.

For someone who supposedly has no record (according to his competitors) his record of accomplishments are extraordinarily impressive and inspiring.

· Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act. (This is the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor)
Became law

· Secure Fence Act. Authorized construction of fencing and other security improvements along the United States–Mexico border
Became law

· The Lugar–Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act. The Bill expanded the Nunn–Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines
Became Law

· The “Coburn–Obama Transparency Act” eliminated gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and the establishment of USAspending.gov, a web search engine launched in December 2007 and run by the Office of Management and Budget to require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACS or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contribution and the combined amount of the contributions
Became law

· Amendment to the State Children’s Health Insurance Program providing one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries
Passed in Senate

· Energy Policy Act of 2005 to add $200 million for Function 270 (Energy) for the demonstration and monitoring of carbon capture and sequestration technology by the Department of Energy
Passed in Senate

· The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act (after amendments became the Secure Fence Act which became law)
Passed in Senate

· Education Bill. Require that the Director of Mathematics, Science, and Engineering Education to establish a program to recruit and provide mentors for women and underrepresented minorities who are interested in careers in mathematics, science and engineering.
Passed in Senate

· Summer Term Education Program. Supports summer learning opportunities for low-income students in the early grades to lessen summer learning losses that contribute to the achievement gaps separating low-income students from their middle-class peers
Passed in Senate

· Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007 a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.
Republicans voted against

· Iran Sanctions Enabling Act supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran’s oil and gas industry
Republicans voted against

· Sponsored an amendment to the Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for an official review following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs
Republicans voted against

Since entering the U.S. Senate in January 2005, Senator Obama has written approximately 890 bills and co-sponsored an additional 1096.

Senators Obama and McCain have been running to be the nominee for President for their parties since January 2007. Therefore the 890 bills written by Senator Obama and the 1096 he co-sponsored all occurred in a 2-year span. That shows that he is a prolific and tireless Senator.

Because of the long-drawn-out nature of passing laws in the Senate many of his bills are still in committee and some were vetoed by republicans. Senator Obama has an impressive record by anyone’s standard.

For someone who supposedly has no record (according to his competitors) his record of accomplishments are extraordinarily impressive and inspiring.

· Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act. (This is the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor)
Became law

· Secure Fence Act. Authorized construction of fencing and other security improvements along the United States–Mexico border
Became law

· The Lugar–Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act. The Bill expanded the Nunn–Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines
Became Law

· The “Coburn–Obama Transparency Act” eliminated gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and the establishment of USAspending.gov, a web search engine launched in December 2007 and run by the Office of Management and Budget to require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACS or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contribution and the combined amount of the contributions
Became law

· Amendment to the State Children’s Health Insurance Program providing one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries
Passed in Senate

· Energy Policy Act of 2005 to add $200 million for Function 270 (Energy) for the demonstration and monitoring of carbon capture and sequestration technology by the Department of Energy
Passed in Senate

· The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act (after amendments became the Secure Fence Act which became law)
Passed in Senate

· Education Bill. Require that the Director of Mathematics, Science, and Engineering Education to establish a program to recruit and provide mentors for women and underrepresented minorities who are interested in careers in mathematics, science and engineering.
Passed in Senate

· Summer Term Education Program. Supports summer learning opportunities for low-income students in the early grades to lessen summer learning losses that contribute to the achievement gaps separating low-income students from their middle-class peers
Passed in Senate

· Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007 a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.
Republicans voted against

· Iran Sanctions Enabling Act supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran’s oil and gas industry
Republicans voted against

· Sponsored an amendment to the Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for an official review following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs
Republicans voted against

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/11/2008 11:27:53 AM

Well you can copy and paste from the Obama web site very well. BUT, not one thing is an accomplishment ... his bills are stuck in committee or they were vetoed by republicans. Umm which party has controlled both houses of congress the last two years. SO SAD !!! And they have done nothing as well ... lowest approval rating of ANY congress. Last I looked it was 13% and was as low as 9%.

The reason bills get stuck in committee is the is no support.

It is sad that this is the BEST you can come up with for someone that wants to lead our great nation.

The real sad thing is the liberal democrats like yourself want to keep comparing Obama to Palin and saying that the experience issue should be off the table.

First she has REAL accomplishments and running a state day in and day out and making executive decisions is much more experience that writing bills that go no where. Any BTW he has staff doing that for him.

Second and most important .... NEWS FLASH - Obama is not running against Palin. He is running against McCain ... why not try to compare Obama's experience and accomplishments to McCain. That is who is running against each other and that is the real choice.

Name:	ALSCN -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/11/2008 11:35:02 AM

You know as a vet, I have a hard time even considering a candidate for the position of COMMANDER IN CHIEF that has never served in the Armed Forces... but only considered it once. I guess that makes my ten year old a Doctor... because she has no medical background at all... but she has considered becoming one.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/11/2008 12:28:32 PM

I find the statement that Obama wrote 890 bills beyond credible. He may have attached his name to that many bills as a co-sponsor but that is a far cry from "writing" a bill.

Name:	want2beonlake -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/11/2008 12:54:46 PM

so let me get this straight. You can make comments about how the citizens of Alaska NEVER got money prior to Palen getting them money this year when it is clear that Alaskans have been getting money since 1982.

you stated on another thread. "Odd that the resisdents didn't get it until she was govenor and no other govenor has an 80% approval rating, so the residents must give her credit. But I am sure you know more than the residents. A typical liberal that wants to throw darts because they have no successes to point to for their candidate."

You can copy and paste from an anit - Obama site yet ridicule anything positive about the guy?

wow - must be great

Name:	UncleSam -	Reply
Subject:	Honest question, ALSCN:
Date:	9/11/2008 1:03:15 PM

Was the military service record important to you four years ago? Did it affect your vote?

I'm not downplaying or degrading McCain's service in any way; I'm a veteran myself, and I saw combat; my children are in harm's way right now. I'm just interested in how much more important military service has become, when it didn't seem to matter much at all four years ago.

Name:	UncleSam -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/11/2008 1:08:00 PM

How am I "quick to fire at Palin?" I made ONE comment about her, and the facts of that comment are not in dispute; she readily admitted that she inquired with a librarian about how to go about banning books. (I did not say that any books were banned, I just noted that the idea of even asking about it concerned me.)

Don't lump me in with a bunch of others just because it's more convenient to do that than to concern yourself with facts. And as for calling Obama "my" candidate: I have also been clear that he is not my candidate, though the consistent flasehoods and smears are turning me away from the other side.

As for his accomplishments, I see someone else already addressed that issue.

Name:	BayPineYankee -	Reply
Subject:	Lake Martin connection?
Date:	9/11/2008 1:28:06 PM

Guys - since this is a lake forum can you point me to the area of this dialogue focusing on Lake Martin? Have you seen the Off-Topic tab to the left?

Name:	BayPineYankee -	Reply
Subject:	Lake Martin connection?
Date:	9/11/2008 1:29:33 PM

my mistake - I apologize - fingers got ahead of me. Sorry....

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Lake Martin connection?
Date:	9/11/2008 1:44:29 PM

Glad you caught that one......I was beginning to wonder if I was on the wrong tab. I hate when that happens! :-)

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	No fan of Obama But...
Date:	9/11/2008 1:59:45 PM

I think his Muslim association has been pretty well examined and while you could argue that he was "born into the Muslim faith" and his early years would probably be characterized as being Muslim, I have no doubt that he is a Christian and that his early exposure to Islam is not an issue that we need to spend a lot of time worrying about. We need to be careful about raising red herring issues because it gives Obama the opportunity to characterize all questions about who he is as baseless, politically motivated attacks rather than genuinely important questions about his character and past associations.

What concerns me is the 20 years he spent with Reverend Wright whose POLITICAL (not religious) beliefs I find anathema. What influence has this man had on Obama's political beliefs? That disturbs me more than any of the other religious issues. I am also disturbed by his relationship with Bill Ayers, an unrepentant terrorist/murderer. I would like to know more about his relationship with Tony Rezko, a convicted criminal, and how Obama the "reformer" came to buy his home and an adjacent parcel of land. All these issues drive to who he really is rather than the image he has been promoting.

I personally think the mainstream media has been negligent in not carefully and fully examining these relationships because they are in the tank for Obama. What happens though is the abdication of the proper role of the mainstream media leaves a vacuum that is quickly filled by the alternative media. What we then get is a lot innuendo and false claims rather than a focus on substantive concerns about his past. At the end of the day if we know everything about these issues we can individually decide whether they are important. To many Obama supporters they will not matter in the least. To a lot of independents and undecided voters they could influence them, hence the desire by the mainstream media to leave these issues alone.

Name:	ALSCN -	Reply
Subject:	Honest answer, Unlce Sam:
Date:	9/11/2008 2:22:25 PM

As a matter of fact it was. Ever since I have been old enough to vote, I joined the military... and truly gained the understanding of rank... Commander in Chief having the highest level of responsibility. So why would prior service not matter?

Name:	Swimmer27 -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/11/2008 4:24:43 PM

The first time I read this quote, I thought it was dangerously true. Then I really started pondering it and thought how would this apply to our own lives/careers? Let's look at it again to see how absurd it is.

• You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.
• You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.
• You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.
• You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of experience.
• You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.
BUT....
• 'From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate.
• That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.
• After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan. 143 days?

We all have to start somewhere. The senate is a good start, but after 143 days, that's all it is - a start.

AND, strangely, a large sector of the American public seems to feel comfortable with this and campaigning for him.

We wouldn't accept this in our own line of work, yet some are OK with this for the President of the United States of America ?

Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol !!

Name:	Swimmer27 -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/11/2008 4:25:25 PM

>
> This made the hair on the back of my neck stand up when I read this.
> We MUST not let this election go the way the Democrats are trying to
> get it
to
> go. Things look a little more encouraging since Sarah Palin came on
> the scene, but this scares the h__l out of me!
>
> After having read the last sentence in this report, it occurred to me
> that the NY Times maybe finally realizes that the only way they stay
> in
business
> is because of the freedom of the press, guaranteed by the blood and
> tears
of
> countless young American defenders and their families!
>
>
>
> Maureen Dowd, winner of the 1999 Pulitzer Prize for distinguished
> commentary, became a columnist on The New York Times Op-Ed page in
> 1995 after having served as a correspondent in the paper's Washington
> bureau since 1986. She has covered four presidential campaigns and
> served as
White
> House correspondent. She also wrote a column, 'On Washington,' for The

> New York Times Magazine. Born in Washington D.C., Ms. Dowd received a

> B.A.
> degree in English literature from Catholic University (Washington,
> D.C.)
in
> 1973.
>
> WHERE DID OBAMA'S MONEY COME FROM???????
>
> By MAUREEN DOWD
>
> Published: June 29, 2008
>
> OBAMA'S TROUBLING INTERNET FUND RAISING
>
> Certainly the most interesting and potentially devastating phone call
> I
have
> received during this election cycle came this week from one of the
> Obama's campaign internet geeks. These are the staffers who devised
> Obama's internet fund raising campaign which raised in the
> neighborhood of $200 million so far. That is more then twice the
> total funds raised by any candidate in history and this was all from
the
internet campaign.
>
> What I learned from this insider was shocking but I guess we shouldn't

> be surprised that when it comes to fund raising there simply are no
> rules
that
> can't be broken and no ethics that prevail.
>
> Obama's internet campaign started out innocently enough with basic
> e-mail networking , lists saved from previous party campaigns and from

> supporters who visited any of the Obama campaign web sites.
>
> Small contributions came in from these sources and the internet
> campaign staff were more than pleased by the results.
>
> Then, about two months into the campaign the daily contribution intake

> multiplied. Where was it coming from? One of the web site security
> monitors began to notice the bulk of the contributions were clearly
> coming in from overseas internet service providers and at the rate and

> frequency
of
> transmission it was clear these donations were 'programmed' by a very
> sophisticated user.
>
> While the security people were not able to track most of the sources
> due
to
> firewalls and other blocking devices put on these contributions they
> were able to collate the number of contributions that were coming in
> seemingly from individuals but the funds were from only a few credit
> card accounts
and
> bank electronic funds transfers. The internet service providers (ISP)
they
> were able to trace were from Saudi Arabia , Iran , and other Middle
> Eastern countries. One of the banks used for fund transfers was also
located
> in Saudi Arabia
>
> Another concentrated group of donations was traced to a Chinese ISP
> with a similar pattern of limited credit card charges.
>
> It became clear that these donations were very likely coming from
> sources other than American voters. This was discussed at length
> within the campaign and the decision was made that none of these
> donations violated campaign financing laws.
>
> It was also decided that it was not the responsibility of the campaign

> to audit these millions of contributions as to the actual source
> (specific credit card number or bank transfer account numbers) to
> insure that none
of
> these internet contributors exceeded the legal maximum donation on a
> cumulative basis of many small donations. They also found the record
> keeping was not complete enough to do it anyway.
>
> This is a shocking revelation.
>
> We have been concerned about the legality of 'bundling' contributions

> after the recent exposure of illegal bundlers but now it appears we
> may have an even greater problem.
>
> I guess we should have been somewhat suspicious when the numbers
> started
to
> come out. We were told (no proof offered) that the Obama internet
> contributions were from $10.00 to $25.00 or so.
>
> If the $200,000,000 is right, and the average contribution was
> $15.00,
that
> would mean over 13 million individuals made contributions? That would
also
> be 13 million contributions would need to be processed. How did all
> that happen?
>
> I believe the Obama campaign's internet fund raising needs a serious,
> in depth investigation and audit. It also appears the whole question
> of internet fund raising needs investigation by the legislature and
> perhaps
new
> laws to insure it complies not only with the letter of these laws but
> the spirit as well.
>
> IS IT RIGHT FOR FOREIGN COUNTRIES TO HAVE AN INVESTMENT IN WHO BECOMES

> OUR NEXT PRESIDENT??? IF YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS, PLEASE PASS
IT
ON.

Name:	want2beonlake -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/11/2008 4:34:51 PM

Wow, you believe anything you read that supports your point without any research don't you??

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/donations.asp

hope the link works.

This is a false article with no basis of truth - sorry to disappoint.

Name:	want2beonlake -	Reply
Subject:	Can we question both sides???
Date:	9/11/2008 4:52:44 PM

Are you equally concerned over McCain's assocation with Rick Renzi?

Terry Nelson? His former campaign manager (Nelson was responsible for a television advertisement attacking Senate candidate Rep. Harold Ford Jr. that many criticized as racist. Last year, the indictments of former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) on campaign finance-related charges alleged that Nelson was the conduit for money transferred through the Republican National Committee (RNC) between DeLay's political action committee and Republican Texas House of Representatives candidates. Questions have also been raised regarding his knowledge of the 2002 New Hampshire phone-jamming scandal. Moreover, Nelson's consulting firm employs a former adviser to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, whose 2004 campaign tactics McCain himself called "dishonest and dishonorable.")

Rev. Richard Land? Who stated in an article dated 8/15/08 "John McCain’s choice of a running mate is the most significant decision he’ll make in the campaign, says evangelical leader Richard Land.

“I think that the vice presidential choice that John McCain makes is probably the most important choice he's going to make in this entire campaign — because he has no room for error, no margin for doubt,” Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, said in an interview with CBS News.

“If he picks a pro-choice running mate, it will confirm the unease and the mistrust that some evangelicals — and don't forget this, social conservative Catholics — feel about McCain.

“If he picks a pro-life running mate, it will help to ease their concerns and confirm to them that, while he may not have been their first choice, he may not have been their second choice, that it's better to vote for a third class fireman than it is to allow a first class arsonist to become president.”

Asked who on the list of people mentioned for vice president would most excite Southern Baptists and other members of the conservative faith community, Land responded:

“Probably Governor [Sarah] Palin of Alaska, because she's a person of strong faith. She just had her fifth child, a Downs Syndrome child. And there's a wonderful quote that she gave about her baby, and the fact that she would never, ever consider having an abortion just because her child had Downs Syndrome. She's strongly pro-life.

“She's a virtual lifetime member of the National Rifle Association. She would ring so many bells. And I just think it would help with independents because she's a woman. She's a reform Governor. I think that, from what I hear, that would be the choice that would probably ring the most bells, along with Mike Huckabee, of course, who's a Southern Baptist.”

Hmmm - how ironic that in September McCain chose Palin....

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Excellent!
Date:	9/11/2008 6:49:45 PM

Excellent post

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/11/2008 7:49:50 PM

I just watched the Charles Gibson interview with Sarah Palin. It's excellent. He asks very pertinent questions.

What I can't figure out is why the people on this and other forums are so hellbent to bash Obama. If you don't like the man and don't believe he is qualified for the job, don't vote for him. If you think that John McCain is the best thing since sliced bread, by all means vote for him. But why continue to rehash the same lame arguments -- they don't convert anyone's opinion. If you are interested in converting others to your way of thinking, why not point out why your candidate's positions on the issues and how they will solve the problems of the country?

Name:	Lady -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/11/2008 7:59:32 PM

From my understanding, the questions were all submitted ahead of time so she had her "team" to prep her with the answers. Egad!

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/11/2008 9:10:39 PM

It is obvious you did not watch it and are just trying to sell BS. They started the interview and said that there were no conditions on what could be asked and nothing was submitted ahead of time to clear.

But I bet Charlie Gibson was lying.

The funny part is that Obama is acting like he is running against Palin ... he is now making a fool out of himself.

AND THE POLLS SHOW IT!

BTW Palin did an outstanding job just like she has in every appearence.

Name:	4thelake -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/11/2008 10:37:39 PM

You are all a bunch of freeking children. I plan not to debate my political choices with any of you because they are MY choices. How about you vote how you want and I will do the same. Trying to convince me by way of a cat fight for either side is juvenile and only makes everyone involved more solidified in their choice. A better use of your time would be to volunteer somewhere for the party of your choice. Every body take your balls and gloves and go home.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/12/2008 12:21:39 AM

I'm not sure why you think Charles Gibson would be lying?
Having prepped senior people for interviews before, I suspect that while he didn't give her the exact questions, he probably outlined the areas he would question her about. It's a subtle difference.

I thought she showed irritation with him on some of the points. National security is obviously not her strong suit and it showed, which is to be expected. She doesn't have national security experience. I'm not sure I think that her staff did a good job in prepping her for the interview. I thought she could have done a better job in turning some of the questions into a more positive response. I thought his questions were fair. And I don't think he unfairly "gamed" her the way other interviewers might have. But, he didn't let her off the hook either.

Name:	want2beonlake -	Reply
Subject:	Who is Obama?
Date:	9/12/2008 6:02:01 AM

he was being sarcastic in that statement...

totally amazing and so typical...

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Can we question both sides???
Date:	9/12/2008 2:12:54 PM

Of course we can and I can assure you that if there were any significant issues related to John McCain and Sarah Palin the mainstream media and the hordes of Obama lawyers (remember him, the reformer) will make sure we know all about it. The fact remains, and I state for the umpteenth time, the problem is the media is NOT DOING THEIR JOB! Even Mark Penn has recently stated that the media is not doing their job. If they were, we would know all about Obama and could make a decision about whether he is someone worthy of the office.

As for why McCain chose Palin I assume you are not serious. Of course he has chosen a VP that he believes will do something he has been unable to do, excite the base and appeal to independents, women and the undecided. Do you think Obama picked Biden because of his good looks? He chose him because their internal polling indicated that the biggest hesitation with Obama is his lack of experience. His miscalculation was not picking Hillary which would have blunted the inexperience argument, would have cemented his ownership of women and probably sealed the deal. He just doesn't have the political instincts and suffers from delusions on grandeur to have made that decision.

So now we have Obama running against Palin which is a huge mistake on their part. My view is the Democrat party were convinced that they would win the White House regardless of the nominee. They have miscalculated and are not in panic mode. I am still of the opinion that Obama has a better than even chance of winning. Having said that, if he continues on the same track he will be fighting an uphill battle. And this will cascade down to congressional candidates as well, which is what we are seeing in the polls in a big way.

Name:	want2beonlake -	Reply
Subject:	Can we question both sides???
Date:	9/14/2008 8:24:38 AM

I agree with everything you said with the exception (in part) of his selection of Palin. I do believe that she was not his first choice (I hope not anyway) and I do believe that she was selected, in part, to placate the far right which is an extremely vocal segment that he has to contend with.

I think Obama clearly missed the boat by not selecting HIllary and he let, what appears, to be his personal feelings get in the way or what he needed to do to win. It would have been such fun to watch VP debates between Hillary and Palin.

And if he cannot put his personal feelings aside during this election - what would that mean if he got elected?

8 years of someone with their own personal agenda has been 8 years too long and I do not want 4 more years of that.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Can we question both sides???
Date:	9/15/2008 8:45:30 AM

I think we agree why he picked Palin, to attract the base. The base of the Republican party is very conservative, religious, pro-life, small government, etc. These are the same people derided as the far right, etc. The base of the Democrat party is the moveon.org, Michael Moore, George Soros crowd that believe in big government. They picked Obama.

As for personal agendas, every politician I have ever met or heard has personal beliefs that translate into their approach to policies. What you mean to say is you want a President whose personal agenda matches your own. I think that puts you in the vast majority but since no candidate meets every one of our personal criteria you pick the lesser of two evils. If you are a big government, surrender to Islamo-fascists, kill babies even after they are born, redistribute wealth type of person then I can assure you that Obama is your man.

Name:	want2beonlake -	Reply
Subject:	Can we question both sides???
Date:	9/15/2008 10:04:51 AM

you had me until this...

"If you are a big government, surrender to Islamo-fascists, kill babies even after they are born, redistribute wealth type of person then I can assure you that Obama is your man."

please explain and give examples of each of the statements. you cannot expect to make such a blanket statement without having to explain further. thanks.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Can we question both sides???
Date:	9/15/2008 1:41:56 PM

Sure.

Big government: Obama has promised between $600B and $1T in new spending on domestic programs (0-5 year old education, health insurance, etc.). He promises to pay for this by taxing the "rich" which will not provide sufficient revenue to cover all this additional spending.

Surrender to Islamo-fascists: Obama has from the very beginning said he would pull U.S. troops out of Iraq. He was quoted immediately after Gen. Petraus' testimony to Congress on the surge that he did not agree with the General's views and would pull our troops even though he was told that we were making progress and the mayhem that a premature withdrawal would cause. He was completely wrong on this and if he were the President instead of us being on the cusp of success in Iraq he would have prematurely surrendered.

Murdering babies: He consistently opposed a law that would protect babies who survived a botched abortion in the most dishonest and scurrilous way. He claimed he was trying to protect Roe v Wade but the state legislation mirrored the Federal and did no such thing. Even NARAL did not oppose this legislation but Obama did. Finally, he said he didn't want his daughter "punished" with a baby if she got pregnant. A baby being punishment! How sick is that mentality?

I could go into more detail on each of these and provide sources if you want to pursue it further.

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