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water_watcher
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another tax
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10/13/2009 12:37:58 PM
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Obama wants everyone to have heathcare ... but only as much as he and the socialist democrats think you should have. If you buy your own coverage that is better than the average ... the bill calls it a Cadillac plan and will tax you for having better coverage than what the government thinks you should have.
Now explain again why congress will not be under this bill and will still get a special plan that is 100% coverage for them and their families at no cost, but the tax payers that put them there will be taxed for buying a similar type plan. NUTS.
If the socialist dems think this plan is so great for america and the tax payers ... they should be on it as well.
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| Name: |
Talullahhound
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another tax
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10/13/2009 5:10:52 PM
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They don't have a "cadillac plan". They have the same plan as I do -- which is a choice of about 75 or so different plans that offer different levels of coverage, and they pay for theirs the same as any other taxpayer. Yes, there employer subsidizes some but not all of their plan.
You can verify this on Snopes.
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| Name: |
water_watcher
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what is a matter
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10/13/2009 5:50:06 PM
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with the plan they are forcing down every other tax payers throat.
I did not know you were a congress woman. I have seen many representatives and senators interviewed and when asked this question, they back away. If their plan is no better than an average plan and they "pay for it" (I doubt it) then what is the need for them to have a "special" plan.
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| Name: |
lamont
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another tax
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10/14/2009 8:04:16 AM
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Hound, I would be interested to know the details of your plan; costs, deductible, co-pays, etc. I would be glad to share the details of mine and my wife's if you would oblige.
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| Name: |
lamont
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Waiting....................
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10/14/2009 12:49:41 PM
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au67
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another tax
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10/14/2009 2:08:35 PM
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Is this part of the plan you have?
URL: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/congress-health-care-clinic/story?id=8706655
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| Name: |
Talullahhound
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what is a matter
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10/14/2009 5:02:56 PM
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It's the government wide plan. If you work for the government, you are eligible, whether you work on Capitol Hill or in the bowels of the Treasury Department. There is nothing Cadillac about it -- you just get to chose. Presumably it is somewhat less than the average person would pay for an individual plan because it is a group plan. If you are working, it is partially subsidized. If you are retired, then you pay for the whole thing at the group rate.
This has been discussed here before, and I believe "just a guy" posted the correct information from Snopes.
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Talullahhound
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Waiting....................
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10/14/2009 5:06:29 PM
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Honestly Lamont, I would gladly share this with you if I had it at my fingertips, but I don't. I pay a $20 co-pay when I visit the Dr. and I get 80% of the cost of any diagnostic tests. If you want to know the particulars go to "http://www.fepblue.com" and I'm sure everything you want to know is there.
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I didn't have the use of a free clinic. I did get free flu shots.
It sounds like the OAP is like the services that the Active Duty Military get at the Pentagon. Of course, the military is supposed to get free health care.
I assume that somewhere along the way, it was decided that it was more cost effective for Capitol Hill to have use of a clinic located in the building as opposed to taking time off to go to the Dr, given their presumably busy schedules.
But, I do participate in the Federal Government Employees Health Program.
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| Name: |
lamont
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No, No, No Hound..........
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10/15/2009 8:38:58 AM
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I want to hear it from you. Tell me about your "gov't" plan. I really want to compare it to mine, you know, the one that I have to come off the hip with. Just curious. Want to know how us "great unwashed" compare to you gov't folks. With all your "smarts," I can't believe you don't know the details of your plan. Jes askin.
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| Name: |
Talullahhound
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In Fact
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10/15/2009 9:55:10 AM
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I don't know all the details of my plan. When I have a question, I go to the website and look it up.
And for the record, Lamont, I don't have to tell you sh*t. You obviously already know it all. Too bad you have no original thoughts -- all you know how to do is jump on someone else's bandwagon.
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| Name: |
lamont
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In Fact
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10/15/2009 10:00:35 AM
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| Name: |
lamont
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| Subject: |
In Fact
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10/15/2009 10:00:35 AM
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| Name: |
lamont
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| Subject: |
In Fact
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10/15/2009 10:00:36 AM
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| Name: |
lamont
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| Subject: |
In Fact
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10/15/2009 10:00:36 AM
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| Name: |
lamont
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| Subject: |
In Fact
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10/15/2009 10:00:36 AM
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| Name: |
lamont
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| Subject: |
In Fact
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10/15/2009 10:00:37 AM
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| Name: |
lamont
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Woops..
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10/15/2009 10:05:53 AM
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Got stuck on the enter button. You are right Hound. You don't have to tell me shi!!. Just thought I'd ask and got the response I expected. For someone who knows so much about so many things, I just think it's odd you can't share the details of your gov't health plan.
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| Name: |
lamont
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OK Hound
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10/15/2009 10:49:47 AM
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Went to the website and found more gov't speak. Still couldn't figure out costs, benefits, etc. Would really love to know what kind of plan you have.
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| Name: |
lamont
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Yeah....
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10/15/2009 11:09:47 AM
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But if it is the right "bandwagon," it can be fun.
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| Name: |
Talullahhound
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OK Hound
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10/15/2009 11:10:27 AM
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Blue Cross Blue Shield Standard Option.
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| Name: |
lamont
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Costs, deductibles, etc.?
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10/15/2009 11:14:01 AM
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Talullahhound
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Sorry
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10/15/2009 11:12:41 PM
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I don't get into the details. When I want to know all that, I go to the website I gave you.
I assume you have a point to all these questions? I'm not really sure why you are so interested in my health insurance.
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| Name: |
lamont
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Exactly
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10/16/2009 7:54:12 AM
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the answer I expected. The reason for my ?'s is simple. I just want to compare the gov't plan with those of us who have to purchase it on our own. The website you referred me to really doesn't tell me anything regarding costs, coverage, etc. Perhaps there is a reason for that.
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| Name: |
lamont
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OK Hound...
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10/16/2009 8:19:32 AM
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I give up. I just wanted to compare the gov't plan with the one I pay for. I must admit, I find it somewhat amusing that someone as Anal as you doesn't have a clue as to what you pay or what the benefits are but, I guess you have other issues to occupy your mind. Have a great day.
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| Name: |
Talullahhound
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OK Hound...
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10/16/2009 2:54:41 PM
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If you knew me, you'd know the last thing I am is anal.
I'm sorry I don't know the details of my health insurance so you can make a comparison, although I'm not sure what good it would do you. There is nothing special about it.
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MAJ USA RET
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Military Plan
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10/17/2009 2:04:05 PM
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When I entered the military in 1968 (by invitation from my friends, neighbors, and the President - drafted), they promised if you stayed (lived) to retire, your health care AND DENTAL would be FREE for you and your spouse and dependent children... for the rest of your life.
It's 2009... I stayed (lived). I am on TriCare, which typically disallows about 13% of my medical bills. The doctors bill me for that difference. There is also a DEDUCTABLE. Dental is gone unless I want to PURCHASE dental insurance from TriCare for more in premiums than I spend on dental bills each year... PLUS CO-PAY.
Promises made to me when I entered in 1968 are no longer valid in 2009. What makes you think government promises made in 2009 will be valid in 2039? Or,choose any date longer than 4 years from now? How long will we get to opt out of this deal if we find it was a bad one? Do you hear a bell ringing?
Trust your instincts!
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| Name: |
Talullahhound
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Military Plan
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10/18/2009 8:35:27 AM
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I agree with you. Medical care for retired military changed significantly from what was promised. And of course, there have been VA care scandals about the quality of medical care being offered to veterans.
Unfortunate but true that the government will change the rules when it suits them. Unlike military members, civilians are not promised free medical for the rest of our lives, but I fully expect under the current round of health care bills, my coverage will change or get more expensive. It's gone up double digit percentages every year since I retired.
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| Name: |
MAJ USA RET
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Ah but
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10/18/2009 8:53:36 AM
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...I don't WANT or expect free medical care. I believe in COPAY. Copay prevents goldbricks and hypochondriacs from rusing to their doctor every time they, or their children, get a cold or a broken fingernail... or bored. If they had to pay $20-$30 each time they went to the doctor they might be more judicious about going.
Hmmmm... $30 is a lot of money to a poor person - but a small fraction of the cost of their cigarettes, wide-screen TV, and/or cell phones (etc). ALSO, the doctor or PA should be able to waive the copay, in an emergency, for someone on food stamps. (I wouldn't waive the copay if they had cigarettes.)
I don't believe insurance should cover everything any more than car insurance should cover oil changes.
By the way, the service man or woman gives his country a blank check when they enlist or take the oath. The amount line is filled in by their country. The amount line could be filled in with such entries as "my right arm", "my womb", "my legs below the hips", or "my life". Some medical care doesn't turn out to be "free" after all.
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| Name: |
Talullahhound
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Ah but
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10/19/2009 8:48:58 AM
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All true.
I don't have a problem with free healthcare for the military or the retired military. As long as it is good healthcare. As you correctly point out, the risks are greater than the average person. Then there is the potential exposure to chemicals and biological weapons. And things like Gulf War Syndrome, which I think is a legitimate illness.
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MAJ USA RET
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And Other Items
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10/19/2009 9:55:26 AM
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...such as bullets, mortars, rockets, IEDs, bombs, and swords (for filmed beheadings).
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