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au67
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Greeting the Emperor
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11/15/2009 3:07:06 PM
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White House contends Obama's bow to the Emperor of Japan was protocol...obviously, other leaders didn't get the memo.
URL: http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/2009/11/president-obama-vs-rest-of-world.html
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MrHodja
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Greeting the Emperor
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11/15/2009 4:07:22 PM
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For the life of me I don't understand his incredible need to grovel.
Does the man have no 8alls? Do we as a country no longer have 8alls?
He is acting like Chamberlain reincarnated.
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Yankee06
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Greeting the Emperor
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11/15/2009 5:34:23 PM
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H_hob,
very clever! got a good laugh!
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MAJ USA RET
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Greeting the Emperor
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11/15/2009 6:03:27 PM
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Our enemies understand his body language.
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Talullahhound
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Greeting the Emperor
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11/15/2009 6:19:41 PM
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Bowing to the Emperor of Japan is a totally different thing than bowing to the King of Saudi. Bowing is considered the polite greeting in Japan and has nothing to do with a sign subservience. It would be rude in the extreme not to bow.
I guess none of you have ever done business with the Japanese.
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Talullahhound
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So you think
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11/15/2009 6:46:37 PM
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that if others are rude, it's okay to be rude too? I'm just asking...
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au67
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So you think
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11/15/2009 7:20:23 PM
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Do you think the Emperor returned the gracious gesture with a "fist bump?"
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I admit I am wrong. I checked and while it is appropriate for business people to bow (slightly) to Japanese business people (right before the all important business card exchange) there is no protocol that covers the President of the US bowing to Japanese royalty.
Additionally, having looked at the picture, I'd say that Obama overdid it by about 30 degrees, if he was hellbent to bow.
He really needs to fire his Chief of Protocol, if that is where he is getting his protocol advice. Or else he needs to start listening to him/her.
I'm not sure it's quite faux pas that you all would make it out to be.
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GoneFishin
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Told My Neighbor
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11/15/2009 8:57:36 PM
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The next time he takes his Lexus in for service to bow to the Service Manager for faster service.
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MartiniMan
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Why you are different
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11/15/2009 9:00:52 PM
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than Archie, Lady and some of the others. When you get something wrong you admit it. A sure sign of a person with integrity. If only you would admit your vote for the manchild was misguided......OK, I didn't need to add that last part but could not help myself.
Mr. Obama is very poorly served by his staff but frankly it reflects very poorly on his leadership skills, or lack thereof, that these kinds of mistakes continue to happen. He was simply not ready for prime time (or any time for that matter) and was elected primarily because of his ability to read a teleprompter.
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MartiniMan
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Interesting Theory on this
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11/16/2009 8:11:37 AM
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I heard an interesting take on the Messiah's continued groveling on the world stage. His is a belief that America is not exceptional and that America is in decline. As a result, the need to be obsequious to other leaders. Some side confirmation of this theory. When asked about American exceptionalism on his European apology tour he responded that America was exceptional as was Germany, France, etc. In essence if every country is exceptional none are, not even America. No doubt this reflects the view of America on college campuses and with the loony left but it will be rejected by 80% of the American people. If they come to believe he sees America as a country in decline and no different than other countries in the world he will be a one-term President just like the half-brain peanut farmer.
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Talullahhound
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Interesting Theory on this
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11/16/2009 12:48:31 PM
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Let's put Obama aside for a moment.
I think there are a number of indication that the US is in decline. While we are still a militarily powerful nation, our ability to influence other nations is not what it was. Right now, we're mired in two conflicts -- you don't see the rest of the world jumping on our bandwagon.
I started to see it in my little corner of the world in our dealings with other countries in tech transfer policy, particularly as it related controlled items. At one time, what we said, went, internationally. Now other European countries are not as quick to agree that the US is right. They are more likely to look out for their national interest and cut deals with people we don't like (like Iran). At one point, the EU was going to change its export policies to support the release of military technology to China -- we finally prevailed, but we had to give concessions on a few other things. Even those who in other parts of the world who benefit hugely by our foreign policy, have dealt behind our backs for their own benefit.
The rest of the world no longer trusts us economically. We're an unreliable business partner.
I don't like the thought of this anymore than you do. Our parents were of course the Greatest Generation and we were raised to believe in our nations rightness and greatness.
This didn't all start with Obama and I'm not saying he can fix it. I think we've lost our moral compass -- probably somewhere back in the late 60's. We lost our singular belief in who we are as a people.
Just my thought.
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MAJ USA RET
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Interesting Theory on this
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11/16/2009 1:32:48 PM
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I believe you are right. We have lost our moral compass… and, I agree that we began losing it in the 60s.
We have lost our ability to clearly discern what is right and wrong. We engage in situational ethics and rationalize immoral behavior.
AN EXAMPLE:
On the one hand we have television programs such as Desperate Housewives, NCIS, CSI, Sex in the City, Seinfeld, and Will and Grace, that regularly feature(d) violence against women, homosexuality, “hooking up”, and all manner of perversions. (Some of you who are reading this will chuckle at my stuffiness.) On the other hand telemedia people will tell you it is all fiction and people know better. Maybe we do know better. But, we have become desensitized to it.
Yet, we find increasing numbers of people, especially young people who practice the behaviors they see on television. An OB/GYN PA whom I know has pointedly stated that more than a quarter of population of the US is positive for Herpes Simplex 2 (HSV2). Most don’t know they have it. This is a direct result of promiscuity and an indirect result of desensitization with respect to immorality.
If it is all fiction and people know better. Then why do they advertise on television? Is suspension of disbelief turned on and off? Consciously? Subconsciously? And what is being advertised?
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Our morality seems to be moving farther away from our own faces. It certainly appears to have vacated our collective minds. This is our light as seen by the rest of the world.
And from a distance… an ever increasing distance… as we move away… God is watching us.
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MartiniMan
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Heard it all in the 1970's
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11/16/2009 5:31:14 PM
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Hound: You could have written the very same epithet for America in the 1970's when the hapless Jimmy Carter spoke of our national malaise. You could have written the very same thing in the 1930's when we were in the grips of the Depression. You could have written the very same thing in the 1860's when we were coming apart at the seams over state's rights and slavery. You have to pull yourself out of your limited world view and see this from an historical perspective. I know, you are going to tell me things are different now.....they are always different now and yet over and over we have emerged from the ashes and to ignore history and assume you are living under some sort of special, unique circumstances dooms you to repeat the mistakes of the past.
If the United States enters a period of steady decline it will only be because of a lack of leadership. Right now, like in the 1970's, we have zero leadership and even worse, a leadership that sees America in a vastly different way than most Americans. Reagan brought us back from the brink and new leadership can do so once again. But to try to set this aside from Mr. Obama is exactly wrong. He has the potential, he has the respect of other world leaders, he is perceived as a uniter not a divider. There is so much he could do to restore our rightful place as the last great hope for the world but he won't because he does not see America that way.
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Talullahhound
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Interesting Theory on this
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11/16/2009 5:38:42 PM
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I do think we have become desensitized to things like violence; our sense of right and wrong has been blurred. People no longer think it is important to be civil to one another.
I think you are right about situational ethics. And we no longer respect people for doing the right thing -- heck, we're shocked if they do.
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Talullahhound
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We Agree
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11/17/2009 11:16:35 AM
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about the need for leadership. I've always felt that Reagan was the right man at the right time. If he did nothing else (and I'm not saying that) he made people feel good about being Americans again.
I had great hope for Obama and leadership, but he is letting me down.
Now the question is where do we find the kind of leader we need? I just don't see anyone out there that I think is inspiring.
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Summer Lover
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We Agree
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11/17/2009 11:57:26 AM
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I see none either, most who aspire to be leaders are simply loud fist-pounders...
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