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GoneFishin
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Hypocrisy From The Right
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12/26/2009 10:02:49 PM
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Here is a strange statemnt, from Orrin Hatch, a conservative I respect in reference to the prescription drug program that was added to Medicare under Bush.
Six years ago, "it was standard practice not to pay for things," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah. "We were concerned about it, because it certainly added to the deficit, no question." His 2003 vote has been vindicated, Hatch said, because the prescription drug benefit "has done a lot of good."
When Republicans controlled the House, Senate and White House in 2003, they overcame Democratic opposition to add a deficit-financed prescription drug benefit to Medicare. The program will cost a half-trillion dollars over 10 years, or more by some estimates.
With no new taxes or spending offsets accompanying the Medicare drug program, the cost has been added to the federal debt.
"As far as I am concerned, any Republican who voted for the Medicare drug benefit has no right to criticize anything the Democrats have done in terms of adding to the national debt," said Bruce Bartlett, an official in the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. He made his comments in a Forbes article titled "Republican Deficit Hypocrisy."
Bartlett said the 2003 Medicare expansion was "a pure giveaway" that cost more than this year's Senate or House health bills will cost. More important, he said, "the drug benefit had no dedicated financing, no offsets and no revenue-raisers. One hundred percent of the cost simply added to the federal budget deficit."
The pending health care bills in Congress, he noted, are projected to add nothing to the deficit over 10 years.
Other lawmakers who voted for the 2003 Medicare expansion include the Senate's top three Republican leaders, all sharp critics of the Obama-backed health care plans: Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, Jon Kyl of Arizona and Lamar Alexander of Tennessee. Eleven Democratic senators voted with them back then.
204 Republicans and 16 Democrats voted for the bill.
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MartiniMan
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And look what it got them..
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12/26/2009 10:47:21 PM
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Booted on their ear in 2006 and 2008 and for good reason. But here's the deal that you really need to get straight, conservatives opposed the prescription drug plan. I am not sure what you call the right but if you mean it as a code word for big-spending Republicans then OK. If you mean conservatives then you have got it wrong. The bill barely passed after several losses and lots of conservative Republicans voted no.
But I am glad you brought that up because the original estimate of less than $500B over 10 years has been upped to $1.2T AND THAT IS JUST FOR PRESCRIPTION DRUGS!!!!!! Imagine what it will be when it covers doctor visits, hospitalization and on and on. Thank you GF for once providing ample ammunition about why we can't trust the federal government to do anything right and why this health care bill will ruin this country.
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GoneFishin
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MM your facts are fuzzy
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12/26/2009 11:43:21 PM
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You have your facts wrong. Here is the vote from the Senate. The right or conservatives supported the bill. In the House, the conference vote was close but 204 Republicans voted Yea and 25 No. It was close because 189 Dems voted Nay. You leave the impression that the vote was close because the right voted against it. That just ain't the case. I am surprised that you need me to provide you with ammunition!!!!!!!! Cheers.
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Campbell (R-CO), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Fitzgerald (R-IL), Yea
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Miller (D-GA), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Talent (R-MO), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Nay
Ensign (R-NV), Nay
Graham (R-SC), Nay
Gregg (R-NH), Nay
Hagel (R-NE), Nay
Lott (R-MS), Nay
Nickles (R-OK), Nay
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
Sununu (R-NH), Nay
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| Name: |
au67
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Voting
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12/27/2009 8:25:07 AM
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Why did Democrats vote no?
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MartiniMan
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GF, your views are fuzzy
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12/27/2009 10:54:06 AM
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I said lots of Republicans voted against their President and the numbers bear that out. Unlike the Dems who are following the Messiah off the cliff like the lemmings they are, a good number of Republicans voted against the bill. Do I wish more had? Yes, and the 2006 and 2008 results bear out the anger conservatives had toward their vote.
The question is are you for or against this takeover? So you want to take Republicans to task because they were wrong in the past and are now getting it right? That's the difference between you and I. I am consistent in my opposition to the size and scope of the federal government regardless of whether it is a Republican or a Dem leading us down the path.
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| Name: |
MartiniMan
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Beacause they are hypocrites
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12/27/2009 10:55:03 AM
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