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MartiniMan
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Poll numbers on economy
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12/29/2009 9:53:09 AM
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Some sobering numbers for those who think things are getting better. From Rasmussen. Only 36% give Obama good or excellent for handling the economy (47% poor). Government employees tend to think the economy is getting better while private sector employees think its getting worse (one only has to look at how the stimulus has been used to figure out why). 52% of small business owners say the economy is getting worse, half said they experienced cash flow problems within the last 90 days and a third now don't think they can retire.
If consumer confidence is the key to our recovery we are in trouble. Also, reading the previous thread about interest rates deepens my pessimism, not to mention all the new taxes that will hit small businesses if the health care bill passes. I hope the majority of Americans working in the private sector are wrong to be this pessimistic but given the actions of our government I can't say that I blame them.
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Talullahhound
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Poll numbers on economy
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12/29/2009 5:21:35 PM
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I think one only need to look around at the number of businesses that have gone under to figure out that things haven't improved. I don't think anyone has declared that the economy has recovered. Even Geitner says it will be a slow recovery.
Also doesn't surprise me that people would be upset with Obama. When ever the Presidency turns, people always hope that things will get better quickly, but they usually don't and therefore, people become pessimistic. It would have been the same no matter who became President.
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wix
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Hound
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12/29/2009 5:33:46 PM
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Hope, change; change, hope; hopie, changie; hope and change. Let's see, how did that go? Failure is failure; it won't get any better till the idiot is gone.
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water_watcher
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Hound - Not true
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12/29/2009 6:52:11 PM
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I realize that the liberals and independent that bought in to the hope and change tell themselves ... well it would not have been different under someone else ... he is doing the best he can.
But as many have said since day one ... his policies and programs are flawed and will not work to stimulate the economy or save / create jobs.
It would not have been the same no matter who was elected unless the same policies were put in place. Obama had an agenda, he was not doing what was in the best interest of business or working americans. He is just focused on the wrong thing and is wasting tax payers dollars on programs that do not work and feed his own ego and agenda.
For the first time in my life I got a notice from the IRS that I am being audited. I look forward to it because I am as clean as can be and well documented. But I am sure he beefed up the auditors to create jobs and focusing on certain income levels figuring they must owe us more. Not me.
He went on the record how many billions he can collect by enforcing the laws in place ... well he should focus on his own adminstration tax cheats first, as well as all the federal employees that have been uncovered that are not paying their taxes.
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alahusker
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Geitner, as in Tim??
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12/29/2009 7:18:24 PM
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Is this the same Tim that failed to pay his federal taxes and now oversees federal tax enforcement?? gives me a lot of faith in the drift of "hope and change."
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MAJ USA RET
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Flawed Policies
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12/29/2009 7:28:20 PM
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Policies which reward indigence and punish industriousness are doomed to failure. The policies of which I write are those practiced under socialism. How much history of the failures of socialism must we relive… suffer… before we realize that the poor will not fare better under socialism… that the economy will not improve under the weight of taxation… and that a nanny government does not improve the life, liberty, and happiness of its constituents.
The man espoused these policies when he was a candidate. Did you not believe him? The man has a history of destroying free enterprise. Did you not see it? The man has a history of evading light. Did that darkness not seem suspicious to you? With all of his dissembling as a candidate, in which of his words did you take confidence?
The noun “change” always deserves an adjective. Why did you not demand one?
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alahusker
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Major,
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12/29/2009 9:46:16 PM
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Think I agree with you, but had to get a beer at half time during a boring bowl game in Orlando.. But I'm not real clear what you meant on the post.. Mea Culpa..
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probably reads the forum, WW, and heard about your opulent lifestyle... LOL
Of course it would have been the same whomever was in office. You don't turn things around in a year. I don't care if you give tax cuts to everyone and his brother. Even tax cuts take time to work.
You should take up meditation. And your mantra should be "change".
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Talullahhound
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Flawed Policies
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12/29/2009 11:41:00 PM
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Oh Pleez, talk to me in 4 years.
I'm so tired of hearing "socialist". OMG, can't y'all think of anything else? Maybe conservatives should save their breath and try to find a viable candidate for 2012, don't you think? Instead, because there obviously isn't one, conservatives just continue with the same tired labels.
BTW, only half of the economists think his policies are flawed -- the other half agree with him.
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Talullahhound
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Be careful there Alahusker
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12/29/2009 11:46:47 PM
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it's already apparent that the IRS reads this forum. You'll be audited too, just like WW.
Wish I knew how all these people have gotten by without paying their taxes. And then according to the commercials, there are these lawyers and accountants waiting for me to call so they can get me out of my tax mess paying only pennies on the dollar.
I was always led to believe that as a federal person, the least I could do was pay my taxes, and they thoughtfully witheld money from me to do so... and even then it seems I owed additional every year.
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I am sure you believe that. But the facts do not support it. How long do you expect you have to wait until he delivers on what he claimed he will accomplish. You know everything so far he has said has not worked or even been close to his claims.
So how much rope will you keep giving him before he loses your loyalty?
$800 billion stimulus was to prevent unemployment going over 8%, now he wants another $300 billion to create jobs. If $800 was not enough, why is $300 more the ticket this time? And why are we to believe he knows the answer now when he didn't before. And add to that, why would anyone believe what he is saying about healthcare either.
There are so many examples of this ... what has worked? TARP did, and so far the government profited $16 billion from TARP, but that was done by the Bush administration.
How can you say tax cuts do not work and work quickly. Look at history. What Regan accomplished after we suffered through the Carter years. Look at what Bush accomplished after the tech bubble and the Clinton recession and then 9/11.
While job losses are slowing, we are at the highest unemployment in over 30 years and any recovery we are seeing is a natural occurance of a recession after so long. It could have been stimulated with different policies much sooner than now.
And yes rates will be rising ... already proved you wrong on that one ... even GF weighed in with even worse news and projections than what I saw on CNBC.
This may be the first president in HIStory that will have a net job loss during his administration. Jobs will eventually be created, but look at the jobs we lost under his watch.
And please do not say he inherited the recession ... yes he did ... just like Bush, just like Reagan ... it is what policies the next administration puts in place to change the direction.
Sorry to say, socialism will not be the answer and that is where we are headed. So you keep believing that nothing would be different under a different leader. You seem like a smart person and that was a very ignorant statement on your part.
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water_watcher
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Flawed Policies
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12/30/2009 7:27:21 AM
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all that means is 50% of economist don't know what they are talking about. So far the ones that don't agree have been right. So my bet is that will continue to be the case.
But I hope I am wrong ... because I think it is a crime what Obama is doing to this great country and the people that want jobs and his policies are driving more and more business closings.
He thinks giving more handouts and extending unemployment is helping people ... no, incenting businesses to create jobs help people. But so far his policies are anti business and forcing job closing. Small businesses loved Bush and look at the number of jobs that were created by that group.
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water_watcher
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Be careful there Alahusker
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12/30/2009 7:37:28 AM
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now that is the second comment you made about my audit ... I welcome it. In fact I am calling today to see if we can do it sooner since I have every supporting document they requested.
I just look at it as another waste of tax payers money and "profiling" by the Obama administration. Higher income, registered republicans.
The sad part is, because he puts tax cheats in his administration, they believe everyone must be.
The anser is abolish the IRS and implement the fair tax. Then they do not have to worry about tax cheats. If you consume you pay. the more you conume (higher income) you pay more. Pretty simple.
Even the flat tax would be a step in the right direction. Even Gitner claims he did not understand the tax code and that is what cause his error and underpaying for 5 years. Now he is in charge of the IRS.
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Talullahhound
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Flawed Policies
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12/30/2009 4:26:13 PM
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You know, I want very much to agree with you, but look how quickly it fell apart. Small business loved Bush for the moment, but his policies contributed to the problems we have now. This didn't all happen the day Obama took office.
My only point about economists is that none of them have a clue because most of them are theorists.
But, I do agree with you on one thing. The Administration has got to stop spending money because they don't have it to spend. I think the timing is all wrong on health care. Yes, it needs some sort of fix, but it's not the biggest problem facing the country at the moment.
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MAJ USA RET
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Where is the Clamor?
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12/30/2009 4:40:44 PM
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Where is the Clamor for healthcare reform? It’s not coming from the majority of the citizenry. We have the best healthcare in the world. We need tort reform! We need choice with respect to insurance. And we absolutely don’t need the controlling stockholder of GM involved in our discussions with our physicians.
There is no evidence that healthcare costs will go down. To the contrary, based on every government run program to date, costs will skyrocket. If you were going to invest money in a business, would you partner with anyone with the fiscal reputation of our government?
We will have Jaguar healthcare. Bank on it!
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The truth is that I never really expected him to deliver. I'm way to cynical to think that any one president is going to fix anything. I spent too many years in DC watching politicals come and go -- they come in with an agenda and it is often not the one that the Administration ran on. Politicans say what they believe they need to say to get elected. They have no real clue what would be required to actually accomplish anything.
My biggest hope for Obama was that he would restore a sense of optimism and hope for our country, much like Reagan did after the Carter fiasco. I also hoped that he would get us out of Iraq and on track to fight the real war. I never thought he would fix the economy. I honestly don't think anyone can do that. We will have to endure this trough we are in -- and it will either get better or it won't. Things were artificially high for too long.
It didn't surprise me when the real estate market fell apart. It doesn't surprise me that people are hurting financially. Too many people were over extended and had taken on too much debt, because they had no self control or discipline.
This country is undergoing a major shift, and it's much more complex than just the economy. I hope we survive it and go on to be the great country we've always been. But I don't think it is assured.
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Talullahhound
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Where is the Clamor?
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12/30/2009 4:48:35 PM
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Like everything else, it's not the "issue of the moment". Most people (myself included) have no idea what has just been passed.
I agree with you on tort reform.
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Talullahhound
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Where is the Clamor?
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12/30/2009 4:48:35 PM
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Like everything else, it's not the "issue of the moment". Most people (myself included) have no idea what has just been passed.
I agree with you on tort reform.
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Talullahhound
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Where is the Clamor?
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12/30/2009 4:48:36 PM
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Like everything else, it's not the "issue of the moment". Most people (myself included) have no idea what has just been passed.
I agree with you on tort reform.
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Talullahhound
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Where is the Clamor?
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12/30/2009 4:48:36 PM
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Like everything else, it's not the "issue of the moment". Most people (myself included) have no idea what has just been passed.
I agree with you on tort reform.
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Talullahhound
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Where is the Clamor?
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12/30/2009 4:48:37 PM
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Like everything else, it's not the "issue of the moment". Most people (myself included) have no idea what has just been passed.
I agree with you on tort reform.
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Talullahhound
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Sorry!
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12/30/2009 4:50:40 PM
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Cat sat on my mouse and caused multiple postings.
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Talullahhound
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Be careful there Alahusker
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12/30/2009 4:55:06 PM
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I'm just kidding around. I know what a pain an audit is. Nothing to worry about when you have all your documentation. I don't think it has anything to with being a registered Republican. I got a letter from them a couple of years ago, but it was really easy to explain and we did it over the phone.
I don't think you have to know anything about something in order to be in charge of it... with appointees, it's just plug and play.
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MAJ USA RET
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Hound
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12/30/2009 5:04:57 PM
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It's the same feeling you had while you were reading "Tale of Two Cities”… or the pain in your heart during “La Boehm”. You know the main characters are on the road to ruination.
Yes, Hound, you had the audacity of hope… but without the comfort of a technically sufficient proposal. You cheered on your left brain while denying the niggling hints from your right hemisphere. Hope is now waning as the polarization of the people metamorphoses to the “discouraged cynics” versus the “patriotic enraged”.
Obama’s “change” had no foundation. Without the necessary grounding in civics, economics, diplomacy, and history, “hope” and “change” were bound to come adrift and are now subject to the winds and tides.
The very simple path to our Nation’s economic recovery is revealed in the technique you and I use to balance our checkbooks.
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alahusker
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Sorry!
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12/30/2009 9:48:28 PM
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That's your story and you are sticking to it..
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MAJ USA RET
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Passed Under the Yard Arm
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12/30/2009 10:09:26 PM
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Yes... it's my story. And it gets better after 1700 hrs. I assume that's the way it is with every post after that hour.
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Summer Lover
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Cat or CAT? NT
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12/31/2009 10:01:11 AM
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Summer Lover
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Never happen
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12/31/2009 10:09:00 AM
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Those of us whose lives are based on reality and who have a working brain are responsible with our finances, and unlike politicians, our calculators will always show the same number no matter how many times we key the same equation. The Government calculators do not even have a negative number indicator. I am afraid that we are already like the idiots who use charge cards to "maintain their deserved lifestyle", without ANY regards to the consequences.
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Talullahhound
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I don't think
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12/31/2009 9:43:43 PM
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Dee Dee would appreciate CAT sitting on my mouse, do you? I know Feb wouldn't.
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alahusker
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The IRS really visits here??
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1/1/2010 12:26:58 PM
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My wife does our taxes and she is a no 'chit' CPA. So who goes to jail???
PS.. Auburn looks pretty good, at least covering the spread at this point.
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Talullahhound
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The IRS really visits here??
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1/1/2010 3:30:05 PM
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Looks like it. And you are right -- Right now Auburn looks DAMN good. War Eagle!!!
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