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MartiniMan
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No negro dialect?!?!?
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1/10/2010 9:11:11 AM
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In yet another example of the profound hypocrisy of the left and the government media Harry Reid is getting a pass for making a racist remark about the Messiah. Of course the media would be (and has been in the past) in an uproar if a Republican had made a similar or even less offensive remark and there would be calls for resignation, tar and feathering, congressional hearings, new hate speech lawmaking, etc. Not that I am surprised about the double standard, I just like to point it out once again which is one of many explanations for the remarkable shift in party identification over the last 12 months toward the Republican party.
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rude evin
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No negro dialect?!?!?
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1/10/2010 12:13:49 PM
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Holy smoke.........shades of Trent Lott..........
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MartiniMan
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Way more obvious....
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1/10/2010 2:45:07 PM
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but its probable that nothing will come of it. Libs and the government media are already falling all over themselves accepting Reid's single apology while Lott's 57 apologies were not enough and he had to go. We shall see if even they can muster the necessary hypocrisy to let him stay as the majority leader.....once again another way to bolster your Dem party credentials.
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GoneFishin
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Remember
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1/10/2010 3:43:58 PM
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It is time the Wing Nuts realized that the Loony Left is just more forgiving. We don't just read the bible we live by it and are able to forgive and move on. The Wing Nuts just want to hold grudges forever. Was Reid off base? Of course, but not in the same league as Lott.
Joe Biden described Obama the candidate in 2007 "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man." Yet, Obama selected him as VP.
Stick to the economy and more meaningful issues.
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GoneFishin
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Rude Dude or Martian Man
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1/10/2010 3:55:46 PM
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Why did his fellow Wing Nuts dump Lott? It Lott's statement was not that bad why did they say bye bye as Majority Leader? Republicans wilted ubder the pressure and did not stand by their man.
Why don't you stick to real issues like the economy?
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MartiniMan
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Rude Dude or Martian Man
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1/10/2010 4:14:27 PM
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First of all my only point was about the double standard. I didn't think what Trent Lott said nor what Harry Reid said is so objectionable that they should have been or be booted from their positions. My main point was the non-stop wall to wall coverage by the government media to Lott's statement made it a big distraction. Hence he ultimately had to go. Such is politics. No such coverage exists here causing my prediction that it will blow over thereby demonstrating the double standard.
I don't think you want anyone focusing on the economy right now as it only inures more to the benefit of the GOP. But now that you mention it, since the Messiah passed his much vaunted porkulus over 1.7 million people have given up any hope for employment and have left the work force which is the only reason unemployment is only 10%. If you measure all those out of work it would be over 15% and probably closer to 17%. Also, underemployment is over 17% which means that 17% of the work force is currently underemployed which means over 30% of work-available Americans are either unemployed or underemployed. So much for hope and change....I know, I know....its all Bush's fault. As the polls are showing only the loony left still thinks Bush is in charge and responsible for everything bad that happens. Can't say that I blame them since they get their news from the dinosaur government media......ignorance is no excuse, but it can be a reason.
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MartiniMan
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Obama quote about Lott
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1/10/2010 5:02:59 PM
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"The Republican Party itself has to drive out Trent Lott. If they have to stand for something, they have to stand up and say this is not the person we want representing our party."
Wonder why he doesn't say the same thing about Reid? OK, actually I don't because there is no way a Democrat will take over that vacancy either by appointment (governor is a Republican) or by election.
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Talullahhound
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Obama quote about Lott
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1/10/2010 5:53:30 PM
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According to published reports, Reid is in trouble in his bid for re-election.
Obviously, we could write volumes here about the history of race relations in this country, and comments that different people have made that they later either paid for, or had to apologize for. Politicians get paid to talk for a living, and sometimes I think their mouths engage well before their brains. It's not inherently Republican or Democrat to put one's foot in one's mouth.
At the time, I really didn't think that Trent Lott meant to say what he said in the way it was interpreted. I thought it was way overblown and even though I never cared much from Mr. Lott, I didn't think he should have to resign over the comment. As far as I could tell, he was rushing to heap praise, not to make a racist comment. At the time, anyone could see he was embarassed by the way what he said was interpreted. You really can't blame Democrats for Trent Lott's problems.
I don't know why Harry Reid would make a comment like that, or why he thought now he needed to publicly apologize. It was a stupid thing to say, and he shouldn't have said it. But why keep it going? If Reid felt sincerely he needed to apologize, it would seem to me he could have just picked up the phone privately and said he was sorry to Obama. Since he said it about Obama, and if Obama has chosen to forgive him, then that should be the end fo the story.
You really can't blame Republicans for Harry Reid's problem.
Aren't there more pressing issues, anyway?
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MartiniMan
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Obama quote about Lott
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1/10/2010 6:24:35 PM
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Hound. I generally agree with what you said and as I pointed out in my response to GF, my only point in posting this is to once again highlight the double standard of the government media and the hypocrisy of the Dems, including Obama. He accepts an apology from a Dem but expects the GOP to drive Lott out, which they unfortunately did. Such is life in politics.
There are more important things and frankly anything that gets the public's attention away from the sorry performance of Obama and the Dem-controlled Congress actually helps them. As I said above, because of the double standard it will likely go away soon.
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Talullahhound
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Obama quote about Lott
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1/10/2010 7:12:34 PM
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I don't really think that Obama said Lott should be forced out -- I think he just said that the GOP needed to decide whether Lott was someone that they wanted representing them. Apparently they decided to force him out. I always felt that there were more things going on there than just what Lott said, because in the overall scheme of things, it really wasn't much.
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MartiniMan
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Oh come on...
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1/10/2010 7:57:16 PM
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you can't be serious. Read the first sentence and tell me how you come that conclusion. Honestly Hound, that is just plain silly for you to say that. It is abundantly obvious to anyone what that first sentence means.
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Talullahhound
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Obama quote about Lott
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1/10/2010 8:31:23 PM
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No, all he said was that the GOP had to force out Trent Lott (as opposed to some other party). He did not say "I want Trent Lott forced out" or even that he was calling for the GOP to force out Trent Lott. It was true that only the GOP could force Lott out, and that the GOP had to decide if he was someone they wanted to represent them. They decided and Lott went. It was pure politics --GOP decided that Lott was a political liability.
I don't think you can lay this at Obama's feet.
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MrHodja
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Wait A Minute
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1/10/2010 9:02:13 PM
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You know better. If the quote is accurate then it is quite obvious that he doesn't think Lott should be representing the Republicans. Specifically: "...If they have to stand for something, they have to stand up and say this is not the person we want representing our party..." That has the presumptive opinion by the stater that he SHOULDN'T be representing the Repubs written all over it. Taken further, it says that if the Repubs don't can him they don't stand for anything.
Hound you know how it works in DC...and just because some on this forum haven't resided there and haven't played the DC game, it doesn't mean they are bumpkins unable to comprehend what is really being said.
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MartiniMan
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Obama quote about Lott
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1/10/2010 9:37:41 PM
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No one is laying Trent Lott at Obama's feet. In 2002 he was an obscure state legislator from Illinois. But presumably his position then informs us as to what he thinks ought to be the fate of someone that makes such a statement. That is until now.....
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Barneget
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Wait A Minute
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1/10/2010 9:44:22 PM
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The rest of BO's quote is below. I wish we could determine whether Trent Lott was complimenting Senator Thurmonds historical position on integration, or his unwavering and unapologetic support for the tenth amendment.
Illinois Senator Barack Obama (D-13th), who hosted WVON’s Cliff Kelley Show, challenged the Republican Party to repudiate Lott’s remarks and to call for his resignation as senate leader.
“It seems to be that we can forgive a 100-year-old senator for some of the indiscretion of his youth, but, what is more difficult to forgive is the current president of the U.S. Senate (Lott) suggesting we had been better off if we had followed a segregationist path in this country after all of the battles and fights for civil rights and all the work that we still have to do,” said Obama.
He said: “The Republican Party itself has to drive out Trent Lott. If they have to stand for something, they have to stand up and say this is not the person we want representing our party.”
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MartiniMan
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Wait A Minute
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1/11/2010 8:18:01 AM
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And yet according to Hound he wasn't saying what he was obviously saying. Just mystifying the excusing of Obama no matter what. I understand the desire to protect the soundness of a vote but I was very critical of Bush on any number of issues but still had no problem voting for him given the alternative.
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wix
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Bush did it.
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1/11/2010 9:02:35 AM
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As much as I hate to say this, the real reason the Republicans didn't fight for Lott is because Bush wanted Lott out. Bush inherited Lott as Pres of the Senate, and really wanted his own man in the position, so when Lott stepped on his tongue, Bush and the boys just stepped aside and allowed the public hanging.
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Talullahhound
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I stand corrected
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1/11/2010 4:14:18 PM
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Disappointing.
Still don't believe that Trent Lott was implying that the nation would have been better to vote for segregation. I have always believed that he was trying to be effusive in his praise of a departing member. Of course, unless Trent Lott comes forward sometime and tell us exactly what he was thinking (or not thinking) we'll never know.
It's context is totally different than the Reid remark. I hope Reid is voted out of office. I don't like him to start with, and a remark like that shows deep character flaws and an inherent stupidity.
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