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Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	New Arizona Legislation
Date:	4/26/2010 5:20:53 PM

I have been watching this unfold and I'm really surprised by some of the people who are taking exception to it. I'm wondering what some of you think about it.

My sister lived in AZ for 8 years, still has a house there, 20 miles from the Mexican border. Obviously, she has some pretty strong feelings about the illegals --- everything from turning the wilderness into their own personal garbage dump when they are sneaking across, to the burdens they place on the system out there.

I'm also intersted because the county I lived in VA did something similar. Obviously there was a great deal of angst among the Hispanics, some of the police were against it because they felt it smacked of profiling, and in the end, they had to soft pedal because they were told by the Immigration people that they just didn't have the resources to deal with the increase in workload, when the illegals were turned over.

Personally, I'm ready to see this country take a hard line. It's not any different than any other crime, in fact, it is worse because it costs us more. I don't think amnesty for illegals is the answer either. A work permit program? Maybe, but I'm not convinced they can control it, given that they can't seem to control the student visa thing.

So what do you think?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	New Arizona Legislation
Date:	4/26/2010 6:11:41 PM

I have been fairly busy and haven't had a lot of time to get into the details but I have to admit that given the opposition I have seen and those in the mix I suspect I would really like the legislation. This may bring the issue of a state's right to pass legislation and not be overruled by the Federal government. Of course, I suspect it will all be thrown into the courts so who knows what will happen.

One thing for sure, the people in Arizona have really been on the front line and have really been impacted by the illegal issue. They deserve the right to try to deal with the issue in the way they think is best. If other states around them don't want to be as proactive then I suspect the illegals will flock there instead. That is one beautiful aspect of our system of government.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	New Arizona Legislation
Date:	4/26/2010 6:16:45 PM

By the way, my sister and brother in law live in Arizona and they say it is a nightmare. They have been trying to sell their house for a while and have been mostly living on the fly since they retired.

Name:	alahusker -	Reply
Subject:	New Arizona Legislation
Date:	4/26/2010 9:01:36 PM

I think if Fedex can track millions of packages daily and make it available to we on a realtime basis, the entire federal government should know where 25 million living, breathing illegals are. But Fedex is private sector and the Federal government is federal government.. Makes me real comfy about their takeover of my health care..

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	New Arizona Legislation
Date:	4/27/2010 6:30:41 AM

Agree.

I was amazed that Obama came out and was critical for the govenor wanting to enforce the federal law. As she said, if the federal government was doing their job, there would be no need for state action. Obama is talking about human rights being violated by state action ... what planet is this guy on?

The problem is they are here illegally ... follow the right procedure and there is no problem.

Name:	Pontoonfisher -	Reply
Subject:	New Arizona Legislation
Date:	4/27/2010 7:26:26 AM

This whole government is just plain scary. Illegals have been a problem for a long time. The federal government has been unable to resolve this issue for decades. Now the uninformed misguided messiah wants to add the 300 lb gorilla of health care on top of all the other problems our goverment can't fix. This administraion and others are going totally in the wrong direction. Our federal govermnent and all the tax payer funded programs are what need the overhaul. Corruption, greed, self serving politicians and laziness are the true problems of this country. My wife and I can't even watch the cable news anymore. It all absolutley disgusts us. Obama is trying so hard to be some standout figure in American History by pushing for all these radical policies. His arrogance blinds him from seeing anything that is practical and makes sense.

Name:	Pontoonfisher -	Reply
Subject:	New Arizona Legislation
Date:	4/27/2010 7:27:10 AM

Name:	muddauber -	Reply
Subject:	New Arizona Legislation
Date:	4/27/2010 8:51:38 AM

I've long held a belief that we do not want to do anything about the illegals because if we really did cause them to go back to Mexico, it would destabilize the country. People willing to leave a home country to seek a better life are ripe to cause a revolution back home. Feds are stuck with that probable reality and that most Americans will not support an amnesty program. So they play politics and posture, but do nothing in the end.
Far as this "racial profiling" garbage, just remember with the expanded Patriot Act, American citizens are at the mercy of any police who merely Claim there might be some terrorist connection to violate your rights. That is far more insidious and dangerous than a local cop who may have reason to suspect you are not an American citizen and request id. Oh, I know why they don't protest that. It's not a vogue thing resulting in photo ops, media exposure and more money flowing into their coffers to support their self serving parasitic lifestyle supposedly protecting their interests.
Pardon me while I wipe the sarcasm from my chin.

Name:	lotowner -	Reply
Subject:	Whose Country Is This?
Date:	4/27/2010 9:55:42 AM

A great article by Pat Buchanan!

URL: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=146341

Name:	Council Roc Doc -	Reply
Subject:	Whose Country Is This?
Date:	4/27/2010 12:16:17 PM

Funny how Amnesty McLame is now in favor of the Arizona law now that he is in a tough fight for re-election. Dam# these politicians. Bought and sold on the open market like oil futures. November cannot come soon enough for me.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Whose Country Is This?
Date:	4/27/2010 2:42:49 PM

While I agree for the most part with Pat Buchanan, I can't see laying all the blame in Obama's lap. The immigration issue has been around for quite a while, and in 8 years, the Bush administration didn't exactly leap off it's seat and solve the problem because it is a complex one, with political and economic implications.

I think Obama is "misguided" to say that AZ is "misguided". I think even a questionable action is better than no action. If the federal government is not going to do anything about immigration, then let the states have at it -- and don't complain when they do. 70% of the people in AZ can't be wrong. And don't forget that the border militia started in AZ too.

Name:	Council Roc Doc -	Reply
Subject:	Whose Country Is This?
Date:	4/27/2010 4:27:44 PM

What is new that has happened under Obama's watch is drug cartels taking over prime routes into the US. They then charge a fee for escorts and if the fee can't be paid, then the illegals get here by ferrying drugs across the border, usually well armed as well. This, as we can imagine, brings an unseemly breed of people, criminals if you will, into our communities in mass. Crime escalates, ranchers get murdered, and this is what frustrates Arizonans, the lack of Federal protection of our borders to keep this from occurring. Napolitano is incompetent and she is Obama's responsibility.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Whose Country Is This?
Date:	4/27/2010 7:30:44 PM

You are aware that she is a past
Governor of AZ?

She's not any more incompetent than the last crew. Remember Katrina? That wasn't just FEMA's fault --

Name:	lamont -	Reply
Subject:	Back to Bush....... Again
Date:	4/28/2010 8:59:51 AM

Get over it Hound. It is now our "elected" President's problem. He needs to deal with it. How long will Obama sympathizers continue on this path? OK, let's all agree that Bush is the anti-christ and move on.

Name:	Council Roc Doc -	Reply
Subject:	Whose Country Is This?
Date:	4/28/2010 11:43:38 AM

Who were not any where near as incompetent as the last crew, 9/11, USS Cole and so on and so on.

Yes, as the previous gov, she was as incompetent then as now. With close to a half million illegals in Arizona now, murdered police officers, ranchers, and kidnappings all tied to Mexican drug cartels, I guess that is the current Gov's fault. And what about the economic burden, the cost of schooling and medical and social welfare of illegals, or the loss of jobs when Arizona residents (both natural-born citizens and legal immigrants) need them most.

Arizona was patient, now they should have the right to protect its own citizenry in a way that 70% of its people agree with.

Name:	alahusker -	Reply
Subject:	Janet Napolitano..
Date:	4/28/2010 6:53:15 PM

Director of Homeland Security is questioned by Senator Lindsy Graham (Republican, certainly not a conservative) "Is the Arizona border secure, Madame secretary??" She responds, 'I've been there and it is as secure as it had been.. He presses, "not an answer, it is secure?" She concludes by saying that "it is not a "fair question." This is the level of competence we have in this Washington.. Hound, Bush screwed this up and a lot of other stuff. But I think it's time recognize we can't go back and the path forward is a 'very scary movie.."

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Not just Bush
Date:	4/28/2010 7:58:58 PM

Clinton didn't deal with it either. But in the 16 years of their combined Presidency, neither of them jumped out of their seats to do something about it.

Goodness Lamont, aren't you over Bush yet?

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Janet Napolitano..
Date:	4/28/2010 8:02:30 PM

Maybe she "studied" under Bill Clinton (depends on what you definition of "is" is). I agree that it is a BS answer.

I'd like to see someone, anyone step up to the plate and really do something about illegal immigration, instead of dancing around it. I guess with Hispanics being the fastest growing segment of our population, no one wants to risk not getting the votes.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Whose Country Is This?
Date:	4/28/2010 8:05:02 PM

I agree. I'm probably an extreme conservative on the issue. I don't really care if it "negatively affects" our relationship with Mexico.

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