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lotowner
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2 Chicago state reps: Bring in the National Guard
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4/26/2010 8:11:51 PM
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Does this sound like Chicago is a "Model City"?
Chicago corruption - Is it being moved to DC?
Former leaders in Chicago - How many have relocated to Washington with this administration?
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Talullahhound
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2 Chicago state reps: Bring in the National Guard
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4/27/2010 2:34:29 PM
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Chicago is currently the murder capital of the US. They are proposing to bring in the nattional guard to control the violence. The governor of Illinois has already said he will not call up the national guard.
Just to point out to you that Obama was NEVER mayor of Chicago or Governor of Illinois. Nor was he the Chief of Police in Chicago -- and that's whose idea it was to ask for the National Guard.
So your implications of Obama in this situation in Chicago is quite a stretch.
You know, I love to hear y'all go on about Chicago corrupt "politics", when Louisiana and Alabama have always been know for their corrupt politics. All you have to do is read the newspaper in Albama to see how corrupt politics is here... So before y'all get to yelling too loud, maybe you should take a lot around this state.
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Talullahhound
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Yes, but
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4/27/2010 3:38:39 PM
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isn't that pretty much true anywhere you go these days? Money talks.
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lotowner
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2 Chicago state reps: Bring in the National Guard
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4/27/2010 4:20:03 PM
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Nope - 20 years of experience as a "Community Organizer". I wish that his portfolio of experience had included Mayor, Governor, or Chief of Police. Maybe he would have honed his managerial skills. His only claim prior to the Presidency was the short time as a US and state Senator.
You better believe that he was "in the know" of the Chicago situation. He was knowledgeable of the rules of going up the ladder and who he needed as his sponsor and cheering section. He knew who carried the money purse. To succeed, he had to be part of the system. George Bush can't be his alibi for mess in Chicago.
Comparing Alabama and Georgia to Chicago is similar to comparing Kinder-garden children and the Crisps of of LA - no comparison.
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Yankee06
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2 Chicago state reps: Bring in the National Guard
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4/27/2010 6:43:13 PM
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-Chicago is a mess, ---everyone agrees
-Chicago has been trying to solve this murder problem for years without success, ---everyone agrees
-police are controlled in Chicago like they are in other urban areas by race politics, sad but true ---everyone agrees
-something has to be done, troops??? ---no one agrees
-so what is to be done? ---perhaps the prez can find a solution?
--does anyone remember these words from the campaign?
Obama said:
“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”
-Will this be another example of Rahm's dictum to never waste a crisis?
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Talullahhound
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What I am Really Wondering
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4/27/2010 7:23:12 PM
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Is why Chicago is worse off than any other city that has had the dubious title -- I seem to recall that Detroit was once considered the murder capital and I know DC had that distinction for a couple of years. You may recall that prior at one point NYC was the murder capital.
Who would you blame from other cities with a "murder crisis"? I don't recall anyone suggesting that the President at those times was somehow responsible for the situation -- usually the blame was laid at the feet of the mayor and the Chief of Police.
So can someone tell me why this is different?
And realistically, I really think the Chicago officials are just trying to come up with a solution for a problem they can't seem to solve. As I understand it, the Chicago officials believe that there is a precident for using national guard -- they were used for order during the 68 riots.
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au67
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What I am Really Wondering
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4/27/2010 8:04:12 PM
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The one thing that all the murder capitals have had in common...political control by Democrats.
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alahusker
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What I am Really Wondering
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4/27/2010 8:41:16 PM
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And then we could talk about Blago, and Roland Burris.. Illinois and Chicago in particuliar, are light years ahead of Alabama corruption.. Plus Chicago seems to way ahead of Alabama's influence in the Executive Branch?? Or am I missing something??
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Talullahhound
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What I am Really Wondering
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4/27/2010 10:35:28 PM
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I've never considered crime to be part of the political process.
I doubt most gang-bangers and drug dealer have any political agenda.
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Talullahhound
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How Can you Be Sure?
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4/27/2010 10:41:54 PM
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It seems to me that Alabama has had a pretty colorful history at the gubenatorial level, so what makes you think it stops there? I doubt there are any politicans anywhere at any level that can stand up to much scrutiny as to their ethics and political funding.
Alabama is no different than any other place. Their scandals just haven't hit the national news..yet. Bingo anyone?
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Yankee06
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What I am Really Wondering
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4/28/2010 12:20:32 AM
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What??!!!
-Of course Politics has a lot to do with the crime levels in a city.
politics sets the agenda. Politics provide the overarching guidance within which all city functions are executed.
One example of a political agenda that included a no-nonsense crime policy would be New york under Rudy. In teh 70's I was afraid to walk outside my hotel at night. In teh 90's I walked form Central Park down to the Empire State Building between 11 PM and midnight.
Politics sets the agenda. ..and culture determines teh politics!
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rude evin
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Gun Control.........
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4/28/2010 9:05:38 AM
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Not to put too fine a point on the comments by au67 and Yankee06.....but a casual google search will provide the headline of "Gun control makes cities dangerous places to live".....and those cities mentioned above have gun control laws and are run by Dems.......
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Talullahhound
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Au Contraire
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4/28/2010 7:41:26 PM
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Politics may play a part in how crime is dealt with, but the crimes themselves or those that commit them.
Rudy really did a great job with crime in NYC.. But very few mayors take a hard line like that.
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Talullahhound
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Gun Control.........
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4/28/2010 7:45:31 PM
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Because then only the criminals have guns. I've never thought that guns were the problem, but I do think we need to deal with the social and cultural issues that make so many young people turn to violence and gangs and drug dealing.
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Au Contraire to your Au Contraire
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4/28/2010 11:49:10 PM
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-OK, cause of crime is difficukt to assess. Poverty plays a big part; as do other factors.
-Politics DOES play a big role. As I stated above, culture determines the politics, and politics determines the agenda, and agenda determines the results. Poly Sci 101.
-Teh high crime and death rates we see in Chicago and did in New York resulted in large part from political policies put in place in urban areas that promoted teh breakup of minority families. An unwed mother and an unemployed unwed father could bring in more money and benefits than a struggling young married couple. Granted there are lots of reasons for that. But no matter the reasons people are smart enough to game any system, and game it they did. Now after two and a half generations, "unwedness" is the life style choice for many in urban areas, resulting in fatherliess homes where children look to gangs for family. Gangs lead to crimes. Crimes grow in violence. High rankings as Death Cities result.
-Culture determines politics, politices determine agendas, agendas determine results. Poly Sci 101.
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Talullahhound
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OK, I'll concede the point
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4/29/2010 7:01:11 AM
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to your argument. But the argument is a little like which came first, the chicken or the egg. I think that the culture made it acceptable to have "fatherless" children, which led to the creation of policies that supported the cultural change.
Any way you argue it, it hasn't served us well, has it?
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