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copperline
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from the AP news service 8/12/15
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5/1/2010 9:55:26 AM
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August 12, 2015 AP Newswire: Conoco-Phillips announced discovery of large oil deposits in South-central Alabama and its intentions to move quickly to begin production operations. Located in areas under Elmore, Tallapoosa and Coosa counties, the new oil field is likely to be capable of supplying much needed US oil for up to 5 additional years. “This is extremely good news for the people of Alabama and the United States” and will “help to meet US energy needs and provide much needed jobs for the local economy” according to the Alabama Governor’s office. In a unique twist of production technology, Conoco Phillips will be utilizing about six off-shore drilling rigs anchored in the shallow waters of Lake Martin to harvest the hydrocarbon reservoir. Submerged pipes will carry the oil on-shore to an onshore collection point located in the Blue Creek area, and transfer to a more substantial above ground pipeline system there. Alabama Power Company, which has leased the oil rights to Conoco, and the State of Alabama’s Department of Environmental Management (ADEM) have concluded that it would be too expensive to operate the wells from shoreline properties which have risen to peak values in recent years. An off-shore oil spill in 2010-2011 sent Gulf of Mexico residential property prices plummeting while exploding consumer interest in the cleaner inland waters of Mississippi, Alabama, Florida and Georgia. The floating oil rigs will become valuable fish habitats and their gas-flares are expected to serve double duty as navigational markers for night-time boaters. ADEM spokesman stated, “We are committed to completing this operation with minimal impact on boating, fishing and recreation users in the State of Alabama, and appreciate the support we have gotten from our citizens”
Local groups who have promoted full scale oil production will be invited to attend the opening of the new oil field expected in the summer months of 2016. Conoco Phillips will provide refreshments and baseball caps that read “Drill baby, drill”.
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MartiniMan
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Silly idea
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5/1/2010 10:19:17 AM
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You see these counties fall in the Piedmont Physiographic Province characterized by residual soils (sandy clays to clayey sands formed by the in-situ chemical and physical weathering of the underlying bedrock) overlaying metamorphic rocks such as granitic schist and gneiss. Because of the original igneous and metamorphic nature of the crystalline bedrock there is no potential for hydrocarbon formation. You see hydrocarbon formation can only occur under certain conditions in sedimentary rocks. You need sufficient organic mass to start with which is not possible in an igneous rock setting.
A more plausible scenario would be further south in the Coastal Plain Physiographic Province in which case my only lament would be if I didn't own the mineral rights. Drill baby drill!!!
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GoneFishin
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Silly idea
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5/1/2010 11:44:30 AM
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MM, we agree again as I was thinking the same thing that further south makes more sense. However, the date of the AP Wire is 2015 and who knows what we will find during the Messiah's second term.
Cheers.
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MartiniMan
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Silly idea
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5/1/2010 11:47:02 AM
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Uh, even the Messiah couldn't make oil in that part of the country. But here's a thought to throw some red meat to his base. He should sign an Executive Order forbidding oil exploration around Lake Martin. Now that would be meaningful......
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Yankee06
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Clever Scenario
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5/1/2010 1:33:28 PM
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-You gotta gives Copper points for a clever little scenario raising the NIMBY issue.
-The fact is until present alternative sources of power are economically feasible or new sources are discovered or developed, oil and coal are going to produce most of our power. Whether we find extractable oil in Montana or Lake Martin, we have to think about pulling it out.
-In this case, I'm glad it's not in my back yard.
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MartiniMan
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Only marginally clever
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5/1/2010 4:27:30 PM
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What makes this scenario totally different than the Gulf is everyone who buys beachfront property knows there is oil exploration in the Gulf of Mexico and that the potential exists for a release. Just like they know there are hurricanes. For them to claim NIMBY status post-acquisition is fundamentally wrong. Just like someone who buys a home close to an airport and then complains about the noise or a house on a golf course and then complains about errant golf balls.
Regardless, if for some miraculous reason they found oil in the middle of Lake Martin and they could get it permitted I would not object. I do grant that many would as evidenced by the objection to new development on the lake. Everyone thinks building should have ended right after their house was built, not a moment earlier nor a moment later. I am just not one of those people.
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GoneFishin
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Only marginally clever
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5/1/2010 8:20:58 PM
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"Everyone thinks building should have ended right after their house was built, not a moment earlier nor a moment later."
That became quite evident when I served 3 years on a planning board. The deed to a home we own the previous owner retained the mineral rights.
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MartiniMan
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Only marginally clever
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5/2/2010 8:19:53 AM
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GF, it is amazing when they don't even see the contradiction. I remember about ten years ago there was a proposed landfill in the general area. All our neighbors were up in arms (even though it was several miles away) and they started a petition. When they came to my door I asked them if they recycle 100% of their trash. They said they didn't recycle at all. I then very nicely asked them where there trash went. They said to the landfill. And then I said so what you're saying is its OK for you to send your trash to a landfill in someone else's neighborhood but not to one near ours. Needless to say I didn't sign the petition and they slunk away in shame. Its not that they didn't mean well, they just didn't think it through properly and recognized the obvious hypocrisy of their opposition to the landfill.
Now if they came to me and provided some relevant technical reasons why the landfill site was inappropriate for that use then I would have listened. But that never seems to be the case.....
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copperline
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from the AP news service 8/12/15
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5/2/2010 7:09:12 PM
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Thanks for the opinion that my post was "marginally clever".
It was meant to stir up some discussion of what would happen if an environmental issue struck us here at the Lake. Everyone should be aware that as we sit here today, there is an active effort to begin strip mining on the shores of Smith Lake. And that ain't no fantasy. Too bad for those home-owners, they should have stayed away unless they could buy the mineral rights to the surrounding hills, too.
As the magnitude of the catastrophy on the Gulf materializes, I expect lots of here-to-for anti-environmentalists to line up for their legal compensations and howl about how this should have never been allowed to happen. As far as the fact that coastal drilling has been going on for a long time, please note that off shore drilling has increased in recent years... and the risks of spills increased with the number of off-shore wells drilling in deeper water. It was only a matter of time before we had a blow out.
Maybe it all boils down to this: Most of us don't much care about any issue until it's our ox that is being gored.
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MartiniMan
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from the AP news service 8/12/15
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5/2/2010 9:17:19 PM
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If you wanted to stir up conversation on the topic maybe a better hypothetical would be appropriate. I am as concerned about the impact of the accident in the Gulf as I am sure are all the other posters. But I also have a broader perspective on the benefits of exploration in the Gulf vis-a-vis the risk and long-term impact of this release. It will be cleaned up and BP/Transocean will pay for it just like the Exxon Valdez spill was cleaned up. And BP will pay a fine for Natural Resource Damages just like Exxon did. I don't know of any human activity that doesn't entail a certain amount of risk.
As for the comment about anti-environmentalist, I actually don't know anyone that doesn't care about the environment. What I don't appreciate is the extreme view of environmental wackos that have a one track mind and will use this tragedy as just another poster child for their extreme views. So the issue is not whose ox is gored but whether an adult can accept and deal with the inherent risks associated with oil exploration. Until we find a suitable alternative to our need for oil we can leave exploration in the Gulf to Mexico and the Chinese or we can rely on firms like BP that will respond to the tragedy. Just be glad this occurred in U.S. waters with a reputable oil company. Otherwise it would be handled much differently.
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Barneget
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from the AP news service 8/12/15
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5/2/2010 10:22:50 PM
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I suppose the fisherman, oysterman and shrimpers who protested the arbitrary quotas proposed, implemented, then withdrawn by the current administration would, in this case, qualify as Copperlines anti-environmentalists who will line up for compensation. This group overfishes and harvests oysters with various bacterias, causing a whole lot of toilets to flush, fouling the environment, so, they must be anti environment, right? Wait, that may be a blessing here with potential for some health care savings. We can explore that later. Maybe the poultry growers and exporters that can't get cargo ships, fouled by the spill into port, will join the line. Chicken crap wreaks havoc on the enviroment so the growers must be anti-environment, right? Copperline has made clear in numerous post that we should ride the ox we milk to work, and surrender all earnings to those folks smarter than we residing in Washington DC. As serious as this issue is, I am unable to take seriously any thoughts forwarded by Copper.
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