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water_watcher
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6/10/2010 7:03:51 PM
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Barack OBAMA, during his Cairo speech, said: "I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America 's story."
AN AMERICAN CITIZEN'S RESPONSE:
Dear Mr. Obama:
Were those Muslims that were in America when the Pilgrims first landed? Funny, I thought they were Native American Indians.
Were those Muslims that celebrated the first Thanksgiving day? Sorry again, those were Pilgrims and Native American Indians.
Can you show me one Muslim signature on the United States Constitution?
Declaration of Independence ?
Bill of Rights?
Didn't think so.
Did Muslims fight for this country's freedom from England ? No.
Did Muslims fight during the Civil War to free the slaves in America ? No, they did not. In fact, Muslims to this day are still the largest traffickers in human slavery. Your own half brother, a devout Muslim, still advocates slavery himself, even though Muslims of Arabic descent refer to black Muslims as "pug nosed slaves." Says a lot of what the Muslim world really thinks of your family's "rich Islamic heritage," doesn't it Mr. Obama?
Where were Muslims during the Civil Rights era of this country? Not present.
There are no pictures or media accounts of Muslims walking side by side with Martin Luther King, Jr. or helping to advance the cause of Civil Rights.
Where were Muslims during this country's Woman's Suffrage era? Again, not present. In fact, devout Muslims demand that women are subservient to men in the Islamic culture. So much so, that often they are beaten for not wearing the 'hajib' or for talking to a man who is not a direct family member or their husband. Yep, the Muslims are all for women's rights, aren't they?
Where were Muslims during World War II? They were aligned with Adolf Hitler. The Muslim grand mufti himself met with Adolf Hitler, reviewed the troops and accepted support from the Nazi's in killing Jews.
Finally, Mr. Obama, where were Muslims on Sept. 11th, 2001? If they weren't flying planes into the World Trade Center , the Pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania killing nearly 3,000 people on our own soil, they were rejoicing in the Middle East .. No one can dispute the pictures shown from all parts of the Muslim world celebrating on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and other cable news networks that day. Strangely, the very "moderate" Muslims who's asses you bent over backwards to kiss in Cairo , Egypt on June 4th were stone cold silent post 9-11. To many Americans, their silence has meant approval for the acts of that day.
And THAT, Mr. Obama, is the "rich heritage" Muslims have here in America .
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to mention the Barbary Pirates. They were Muslim.
And now we can add November 5, 2009 - the slaughter of American soldiers at Fort Hood by a Muslim major who is a doctor and a psychiatrist who was supposed to be counseling soldiers returning from battle in Iraq and Afghanistan .
That, Mr. Obama is the "Muslim heritage" in America .
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Talullahhound
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6/10/2010 8:15:10 PM
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Can't argue with any of it.
It would be interesting to know when the first of the Muslims arrived in the US. I know there was a big influx when the Shah of Iran was deposed, but before that?
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Yankee06
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6/10/2010 9:26:38 PM
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-Well, I'm not an Islamic scholar, so i can't comment on all of teh above.
-However, I did spend a long career in the military and am aware of Moslem, Jewish, Catholic, Hindu, Christian, and atheist participation and loss of life as part of American military forces and in pusuit of American ideals and objectives.
-Hundreds of Muslimns served in teh War of Independence starting with Peter Salem at Bunker HIll. As Moslem numbers grew so did their participation in teh American military. Thousands participated in teh Civil War(Not counting teh thousands of Moslem slaves), tens of thousands participated in WWI, and over a hundred thousand participated in WWII.
-I don't bring up any of this to lessen our commitment to teh elimination of Islamic terrorists. The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.
-However, much like with teh Ameican Japanese in WWII, we must appreciate teh law-abiding American Moslems.
-However, I do believe that American Moslems should be more vocal and be more active against the ideas, teachings, training, and operations of extreme Moslems. Without that , they will be in danger of at least a portion of Americans turnnig against them. And that would be sad for them, ..and for us
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blmeanie
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6/11/2010 7:49:10 AM
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Thanks Yankee- that is one of the best put thoughts on what we all should hope for with regard to law-abiding citizens that happen to be Muslim. Why isn't there a more vocal opposition of the extremists from within the Muslim world? Fear?
The cited wars for American freedom was all about fighting fear and oppression. Imagine the good that would come from all citizens fighting together and breaking down the barriers in the battle against extremists and terrorists. The generalizations of what Muslims are will continue to get worse I'm afraid.
When there are lines drawn and racial tensions exist it seems like (historically) the defensive mechanisms go up even when confronted with "evidence" supports something. OJ is a great example. While the majority of people (of all races) had to believe he did it, it was highly visible that many blacks cheered and rejoiced when OJ got off in court. That was as bad as the portion of the population that wanted OJ found guilty solely because he is black.
Why can't it just be about right and wrong, good and evil?
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MartiniMan
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6/11/2010 9:29:09 AM
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While I don't doubt there may be Muslims that participated in various early wars I think the Peter Salem connection is mostly a Muslim apologist fabrication. Peter Salem was born in Framingham, MA around 1750 and was not a captured slave from an African Muslim nation. The attempt to connect him to the Muslim faith is the claim that Salem is derived from Saleem, which is Muslim for one who is peaceful. Numerous reputable black history websites (i.e., blackpast.org, etc.) say there is no evidence Peter Salem was Muslim.
What I think many pro-Muslim sites are relying on is the guesstimate that 10%-15% of slaves from Africa were Muslim and a certain number of slaves participated in the war for independence, civil war, war of 1812, etc. Probably not a bad assumption but also one that is subject to a lot of error. But the fact remains that due to their circumstances (i.e., the vast majority of Muslims in America were slaves) there role in these battles was very minor at best. Not their fault, just a historical fact.
While I agree we need to respect law-abiding Muslims we also have to recognize the general nature of the faith and the long-term goal to implement Sharia law worldwide. In 1991 the Muslim Brotherhood developed a long-term strategy for Europe and North America that involved immigration, birth rates, development of advocacy groups (i.e., CAIR, etc.) and other strategies to obtain their goals. They have been doing pretty well so far, especially in Europe.
The fact that Muslims do not speak up is an even more disturbing issue. There are a few like Fouad Ajami, Salahuddin Choudhury and others but polls show the majority of Muslims are at least sympathetic to jihad in one form or another. Part of it is fear of reprisal which is symptomatic of what ails Islam. No one fears for their life if they create a irreverent painting of Christ but everyone fears doing likewise with Mohammad, and some have been murdered. There is something deeply wrong and disturbing about Islam and until it is confronted and they come to grips with modernity we are in for the fight of our lives.
I don't know about you but I find it repulsive to imagine my daughters or granddaughters having to wear a bhurka. With all due respect I call those women sheeple because they are treated like farm animals by the husbands and fathers. An interesting movie for you to watch which gives a inkling of what we are dealing with is called "The Stoning of Soroya M". This is an epic battle between 21st century civilization and 7th century barbarism and unless we are prepared to fight to win we have already lost.
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Talullahhound
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6/11/2010 5:30:32 PM
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I know the administration is trying to make a point that we are not at war with Islam, just the radicals, but the truth is that the US doesn't have a history rich with Muslims.
I have know a lot of Muslims over the years -- I was a Middle Eastern desk officer for a few years -- and nothing in my dealings with them have ever convinced me that they trust us or like us -- we are just a means to an end. I have traveled in the Middle East, and even in the relative security of being part of a US delegation, it was pretty evident that women have a lesser status in their culture. (I actually have some pretty funny stories it). And yes, I have worn the Abaya and the head scarf, and made sure my arms and legs were completely covered.
Having said that, I have known Muslims who I liked very much on a personal level. My gastroenterologist in VA was a Muslim and I trusted him completely. Even my surgeon was a Muslim and I certainly trusted him. I worked with some that I dealt with on a very regular basis and I enjoyed knowing them too.
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lotowner
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6/12/2010 7:46:39 AM
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We had solders who trusted a Psychiatrist and he finally showed his true feelings and killed 11 (or was it 13) in Fort Hood. How many years did he practice Psychiatry without killing his fellow Americans?
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