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lotowner
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Citizenship for Babies Born to Illegals
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6/15/2010 3:15:14 PM
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An interesting article. Would this country agree that the 14th Amendment does NOT and was never intended to apply to children of illegals born in the USA? What about the argument that this was intended for children or descendants of slaves after the Civil War?
URL: http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Arizona-immigration-illegal-birth/2010/06/15/id/362067
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GoneFishin
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Citizenship for Babies Born to Illegals
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6/15/2010 3:51:46 PM
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If illegals are sent home, I assume the kids go with them but retain American citizenship. I also assume the kids can return as US citizens when they reach age 18. Or, I assume the parents can leave the kids here to be raised by legal relatives. Is this how it works?
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Yankee06
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Citizenship for Babies Born to Illegals
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6/15/2010 7:21:54 PM
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I'll bet I've had this discussion a hundred times on what was teh intent of the original authors of teh 14th amendment, i.e., NOT TO COVER FOREIGNRES BORN ON U.S. SOIL. It appears teh courts reinterpreted the 14th Amendment to cover those born in the U.S.
Here's what Wikipedia says about intent:
There are varying interpretations of the original intent of Congress, based on statements made during the congressional debate over the amendment.[5] During the original debate over the amendment Senator Jacob M. Howard of Michigan—the author of the Citizenship Clause—described the clause as excluding American Indians who maintain their tribal ties, and "persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers." He was supported by other senators, including Edgar Cowan, Reverdy Johnson, and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lyman Trumbull.[6] Howard further stated the term jurisdiction meant "the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now"[6] and that the United States possessed a "full and complete jurisdiction" over the person described in the amendment.[7][8][6] Other senators, including Senator John Conness,[9] supported the amendment, believing citizenship should cover all children born in the United States.
In Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884)
, the clause's meaning was tested regarding whether it meant that anyone born in the United States would be a citizen regardless of the parents' nationality. In that case, the Supreme Court held that the children of Native Americans were not citizens, despite the fact that they were born in the United States.
The meaning was tested again in the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
regarding children of non-citizen Chinese immigrants born in United States. The court ruled that the children were U.S. citizens.[10]
The difference between "legal" and "illegal" immigrants was not clear at the time of the decision of Wong Kim Ark.[11] Wong Kim Ark and subsequent cases did not explicitly decide whether such children are entitled to birthright citizenship via the amendment,[12] but such birthright is generally assumed to be the case.[13] In some cases, the Court has implicitly assumed, or suggested in dicta, that such children are entitled to birthright citizenship: these include Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982)
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MartiniMan
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Needs to end
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6/16/2010 10:37:22 AM
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My view is we need to end the concept that anyone born on U.S. soil is a citizen. Given the court's interpretation it will likely require new legislation that will go through all the usual legal challenges. No time soon will any of this happen......
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Talullahhound
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Needs to end
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6/16/2010 3:55:52 PM
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I agree with you. US citizenship should only be granted when at least one parent is a legal resident. It's another of the luxuries this country can no longer afford -- granting citizenship just because the incident of your birth took place in the US.
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