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MrHodja
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Ms. Sherrod
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7/21/2010 4:51:17 PM
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So what's your take on the Sherrod situation.
My take is that the initial video was sleaze journalism (much akin to what 60 minutes does) that was inexcusable.
My other take is that once again the Obama administration demonstrated their sophomoric approach to handing crisis situations.
And this guy has his finger on the trigger?
Nasreddin Hodja
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Talullahhound
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Ms. Sherrod
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7/21/2010 5:02:18 PM
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Clearly,someone wanted to create controversy, where it didn't really exist. If I had been giving the speech, I don't know if I would have used that particular story, but I'm sure she never thought it would make the news and cost her job. I had something somewhat similar happen to me (twice) and both time it ended up in the media, but I didn't lose my job over it.
The WH doesn't seem to know what they feel about it... Guess they had finger in the proverbial wind and couldn't quite figure out which direction it was blowing. You would have thought they would have learned not to jump on these incidents.
I've been trying to figure out why suddenly all these race issues are coming up. Is this what having an African American President has done for us? Made everyone hyper-sensitive on race again. It's disappointing.
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MrHodja
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Ms. Sherrod
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7/21/2010 5:33:06 PM
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Frankly, I don't think it is white people who are stirring the controversy (the Sherrod example excepted). I think it is to the black Americans' advantage to keep race an issue so that their incompetence on many issues is pushed to the back.
Even with regard to the Sherrod incident, Breitbart claimed last night that it was the NAACP's asinine claim that the Tea Party is racist that raised his hackles to the point that he made a second inquiry into something a guy from Georgia emailed him about several YEARS ago, got a copy of the video, and then posted it. Of course he has an agenda, but on whole I still believe the obsession with racism is with the "persons of color".
But if it all ever gets too depressing and you need some comic relief, watch Rachel Maddow or that Joe fellow on MSNBC. If Maddow didn't have Fox to rail against she wouldn't have a show.
Nasreddin Hodja
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MartiniMan
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Bad journalism and bad decision making
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7/21/2010 6:02:19 PM
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This is exactly the same journalism practiced by the government media and it is wrong. But bad journalism does not excuse the administration's knee jerk reaction. As I and many others predicted with the election of Obama, race relations would worsen dramatically because he and many others are quick to cast any objection to his objectively objectionable policies as race driven.......
Things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get really bad on the race front as long as he and his minions in the regime act like a community agitators rather than as executives. The sign of an incompetent leader is the incompetence of his staff..........
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MartiniMan
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Caveat on my previous post
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7/21/2010 10:00:49 PM
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According to recent reports and after looking at the website their whole point was not the context of what she said but the reaction of the audience when she made the comments about denying help because they were white. They were not trying to misconstrue or misrepresent her statements but point out the reaction of the audience.
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wix
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Sherrod-Lawsuit
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7/21/2010 10:32:51 PM
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Take a look at the attached article and you may figure out that USDA really needed to correct the stupid mistake of hiring Sherrod in the first place. She was hired in 2009, soon after she and her husband bilked the government out of $300,000 for "pain and suffering". Don't feel too sorry for her. Why was she hired??
URL: Fox News article--Sherrod lawsuit
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Talullahhound
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Ms. Sherrod
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7/22/2010 10:37:51 AM
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I've never liked the NAACP, as I think they are corrupt -- not really interested in furthering the interests of blacks but in lining their own pockets through intimidation.
I think it wasn't surprising that the NAACP would call racist the Tea Party once the demograghics of the organization was released. It is a predominantly white association, yet I don't think it is necessarily "racist" -- although there have been accusations of some more radical elements spouting racist comments. But, within every organization there will always be a few radical elements.
Yes, I believe you are right that it is predominently blacks pushing the racist acusations. And I think it is a shame because there are many well educated blacks who don't want any part of it.
I'm very sad to see the WH jump on these issues. I think it is a huge mistake, and will only serve to widen the gap between the races.
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Psycho
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Sherrod-Lawsuit
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7/22/2010 2:09:38 PM
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Right now she is a very happy woman....getting her time in the spotlight and getting ready to sue over
getting fired. After watching the full video of her, it dont look quite as bad...but there is no doubt she
is a racist. Even though she did feel sorry for the poor farmer and sent him to talk to "one of his own"
On a different subject...I'm against all of these government handouts...they pay one farmer to plant...pay another
not to plant...pay another to plant trees in his fields so he wont grow crops again. Of course its not just the
farmers...its every direction you look....the money flows so freely from the governments hands.
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MartiniMan
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Ms. Sherrod
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7/22/2010 2:52:17 PM
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I heard an interesting discussion on the history of the civil rights movement and the NAACP. There were two basic philosophies on how to improve the lot of blacks in America generally characterized by the the beliefs of Booker T. Washington and WEB Dubois. Washington believed that the optimal way to improve the lives of blacks was through education and job opportunities. Dubois believed that the best approach was through increased political power. The former philosophy drove much of the early civil rights movement and their desire for integration of schools (ie, giving black children the opportunity to attend better funded and more successful schools) and laws to prevent employers from discriminating against people based on their ethnicity. Even though these early efforts were opposed (mostly by Democrats) I think today the vast majority of Americans agree that everyone deserves a good education and no one should be denied a job because of skin color (I will choose to ignore the concepts of affirmative action and steadfast opposition to school choice). In the mid 60's and beyond the basic philosophy shifted toward that espoused by Dubois. The NAACP leadership gradually embraced the Dubois approach and has effectively become a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat party as a tool to ensure the black vote for Democrats. They form a symbiotic relationship that promotes greater political power for elites in the black community, sadly at the expense of the very people they pretend to help.
I had not heard that explanation but it explains why groups like the NAACP are what they are. Interesting......
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MartiniMan
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Wrong about the makeup of the Tea Party
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7/22/2010 3:17:31 PM
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Hound, you are watching a little too much pMSNBC. According to a recent Gallup poll the Tea Party supporters as a whole are composed of about 29% non-whites, including blacks and many Hispanics. This false representation of the makeup of the movement is being perpetuated by the government media. While it may not reflect the overall composition of the American public that is because so many blacks are firmly planted on the Democrat party plantation. But the fact remains that since 75% of America is white and only 71% of Tea Party proponents are white the movement as a whole is very representative.
If you want to see a group lacking racial diversity I suggest you look at groups like RAZA, NAALCP, Black Panthers, etc. I am not arguing that there aren't elements that have attached themselves to the movement that are racist but they are a tiny minority and when exposed they are roundly drummed out. You can't say the same thing about the racist organizations like the NAALCP, etc.
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Talullahhound
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No I'm Not.
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7/22/2010 5:51:00 PM
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I actually saw the demographic makeup of the tea party and it is a MAJORITY white organization. In fact, I seem to recall that the largest segment was white men over 45 earning over $100K. I'm trying to remember where I read the demographics. I remember thinking it didn't surprise me.
Of course there are going to be some minority members of the group. They are just not the majority of the membership. It's not a racist group, it's basically a polital action group.
I'll not argue the point about some of the black organizations. There are some very radical black organizations out there -- just as there are some very extreme white groups out there. I don't think the Black Panthers are welcoming white members any more than the various Arian groups are welcoming black or hispanic members.
I think you overestimate the amount of time I watch MSNBC. I generally only watch Morning Joe and sometimes I watch the evening news with Brian Williams. I happen to like Brian Williams.. a fellow New Jersian.
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MrHodja
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No I'm Not.
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7/22/2010 6:02:56 PM
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Maybe you mis-read his post. To quote MM: "71% of Tea Party proponents are white". I believe that even the new math hasn't changed the fact that 71% can be considered a majority.
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Talullahhound
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So how was I wrong.
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7/22/2010 6:07:49 PM
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I never said it was an exclusively white organization. Maybe MM and you should read my post.
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MrHodja
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So how was I wrong.
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7/22/2010 6:31:49 PM
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Exclusively....majority....he!!, I'm getting confused now. Apparently we all agree it is mostly but not all white. Sheesh.
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MartiniMan
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Yes you you are wrong
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7/23/2010 9:21:51 AM
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Here is your quote:
I think it wasn't surprising that the NAACP would call racist the Tea
Party once the demograghics of the organization was released. It is a
predominantly white association,
You are wrong when you say the Tea Party is "predominantly" a white organization. You did not use the word "majority" which could mean as little as 50.01% white (which would be 49.9% non-white). You used a word that means "for the most part; mostly; mainly" which is not synonymous with majority. Hound, you were just wrong about the term you used to describe the makeup of the Tea Party. Any reasonable person would not justify the decision of the NAACP to use the demographics of the Tea Party as a rationale for calling it racist considering it better reflects the makeup of America than the organization calling them racists who in fact are almost exclusively of one race.
By the way, using your logic and theirs, and considering America is more white than the Tea Party then you would accept the logic that America (which includes every black and hispanic person in America) is racist. We are all racists because we live in a country with the same (actually a little worse) demographic makeup than the Tea Party. Every black person and every hispanic in the country are racists because of the demographic makeup of the country. That makes no more sense than the NAACP's position...but then again, making sense on the left is not exactly a common occurrence.
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