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Name:   lotowner - Email Member
Subject:   Drive By Media Hypocrisy
Date:   1/10/2011 1:30:04 PM


Journalists urged caution after Ft. Hood, now race to blame Palin after Arizona shootings

By: Byron York 01/09/11 8:58 AM
Chief Political Correspondent
Emergency personnel attend to a shooting victim outside a shopping center in Tucson, Ariz. on Saturday, Jan. 8, 2011 where U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., and others were shot as the congresswoman was meeting with constituents. (AP Photo/James Palka)

On November 5, 2009, Maj. Nidal Hasan opened fire at a troop readiness center in Ft. Hood, Texas, killing 13 people.  Within hours of the killings, the world knew that Hasan reportedly shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before he began shooting, visited websites associated with Islamist violence, wrote Internet postings justifying Muslim suicide bombings, considered U.S. forces his enemy, opposed American involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan as wars on Islam, and told a neighbor shortly before the shootings that he was going "to do good work for God."  There was ample evidence, in other words, that the Ft. Hood attack was an act of Islamist violence.

Nevertheless, public officials, journalists, and commentators were quick to caution that the public should not "jump to conclusions" about Hasan's motive.  CNN, in particular, became a forum for repeated warnings that the subject should be discussed with particular care.

"The important thing is for everyone not to jump to conclusions," said retired Gen. Wesley Clark on CNN the night of the shootings.

"We cannot jump to conclusions," said CNN's Jane Velez-Mitchell that same evening. "We have to make sure that we do not jump to any conclusions whatsoever."



Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/journalists-urged-caution-after-ft-hood-now-race-blame-palin-afte#ixzz1AesiJy4e




Name:   water_watcher - Email Member
Subject:   Drive By Media Hypocrisy
Date:   1/10/2011 3:37:54 PM


Makes me sick how the media wants us to embrace Muslims and then they will assign blame to a great american like Sarah Palin who has a son fighting for maintaining our freedom to live our lives not in fear against Islamic terrorism.



Name:   Talullahhound - Email Member
Subject:   Drive By Media Hypocrisy
Date:   1/11/2011 7:50:13 PM


I don't think anyone blamed Palin for the shootings.   But, she has used a lot of gun imagery in her remarks -- the gun sights and some comment that she said about "reloading".   No one can say for sure if any of this had anything to do with the shooting, but the sheriff and a number of psychiatrists have stated that if someone were unbalanced to start with, this kind of verbal imagry might be interpreted by them as a call to arms. 

There are two things I would like to see come out of this -- that it would people up to rachett down the rhetoric, and to avoid using shooting terms.  Words have consequences, just like actions.  There is no proof that any of this had anything to do with Saturday's shooting, but even if it was a remote possibility it should make people think about what they are saying. 

I think this will wake up a lot of people about Palin.  I expect to see any popularity she has enjoyed to head downward.  Hope she enjoyed her 15 minutes of fame.



Name:   rude evin - Email Member
Subject:   Hound, I may...........
Date:   1/11/2011 10:22:12 PM

or may not agree with you on this...........but let's expand the conversation to include all of the gory, bang,bang, shoot em up very life like horror and crime films that comes out of Hollywood.............why do you think there is zero condemnation toward this stuff that can contaminate impressionable minds? All of this focus on just one or two public people and their comments seems to be a bit of opportunistic nitpiking to me. Let's take a  broader look at self restraints that are needed from the various areas of business, entertainment, politics.....even the President. What say you? 



Name:   rude evin - Email Member
Subject:   Ooooops, this just in..........
Date:   1/11/2011 10:41:33 PM

"Some people might think I am putting a gun to their head..." Gov Jerry Brown (D) California........spoken today when discussing budget issues. You can look for the condemnation to start as early as the Morning Joe show tomorrow am.



Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   Hound, I may...........
Date:   1/11/2011 10:53:40 PM

Agree wholeheartedly.  In fact I was watching an episode of NCIS and the use of handguns and all the gore was gratuitous.  It is everywhere and the figures of speech used by politicians on both sides of the aisle pale in comparison.



Name:   Talullahhound - Email Member
Subject:   Hound, I may...........
Date:   1/12/2011 8:14:21 AM


I agree.  Gratuitous violence in music, TV shows, movies, video games.  There are studies that would suggest that it desensitizes people to the consequences of shooting. I don't see it stopping any time soon, because violence sells.   God only knows what these images do to someone that is already unbalanced.  But, we can't legislate behavior and it would be wrong to try to legislate the existence of the imagery.  Just that people need to think about the images they are putting forward. 

It disturbs me too, because it feeds the argument that guns somehow need to be "controlled".  I'm not in favor of gun contol.  I'm in favor of personal responsibility. 




Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   Hound, I may...........
Date:   1/12/2011 8:28:32 AM

Agree.  What is really strange is that I own a Glock 9mm and two of the magazines like the ones the shooter used.  But will I use them like he did?  Absolutely not.  My self defense rounds are loaded into smaller magazines...if my home is invaded and the invading force is so strong that I need more than the 13 rounds they hold, I will die anyway. 

For me the larger magazines simply make it more fun to plink.....the point being that it is not the gun that kills.  I am not going to argue that the gun made it easier for this loony to kill more people, but were the gun not available he could have used a bomb made from common household chemicals.

I think the attraction to blood and guts on TV and in the movies has something to do with a basic survival instinct that somehow senses pleasure in someone else's demise - sort of a last person standing thing.  That we aren't going to change. 



Name:   Talullahhound - Email Member
Subject:   Hound, I may...........
Date:   1/12/2011 6:41:27 PM


That "last man standing" sounds like a male thing... LOL. 

The number of magazines or the number of rounds his gun held are really irrelevant.  But, no doubt someone will want to sponsor legislation to try to limit their sale.  In fact, as I'm typing this, the news is on and they are saying that sales of those magazines are swift because people are worried they will be outlawed as a result of this incident.  Like that will stop someone that is intent on killing.   



Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   Hound, I may...........
Date:   1/12/2011 8:40:36 PM

Yep, A "regular" magazine of jacketed hollow point plus p ammunition in that same situation would still have ended up with dead and maimed people - and from my experience is easier to reload the shorter magazines than the cumbersome long magazines.  Six of one, half dozen of the other. 







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