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water_watcher
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Wisconsin voting on the bill
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3/9/2011 7:49:27 PM
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Yeah to the govenor .... but just heard that now the democrats have said they will come back if the hold up on voting so they can debate it. I hope the govenor says ... sorry too late.
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Talullahhound
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Wisconsin voting on the bill
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3/9/2011 8:58:31 PM
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Apparently they voted without the Dems. I'm not thrilled with with the Scott has handled this, but the Dems wimped out. I'm glad they voted without them.
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MartiniMan
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3/9/2011 10:41:08 PM
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Hound, how did they vote? I thought the strategy of the Dems was to deny them a quorum so they could not vote. Did they get enough to return to vote or did they use some other approach to be able to vote?
Either way, I agree with you that this is a complete abrogation of their responsibility. Election results have consequences and their responsibility is to be the loyal opposition and vote however they think they should, not deny a vote because they don't like the presumed outcome. This strategy, which has only been used by Dems, renders our representative republic null and void. They should be impeached for doing so. Cast your votes and take the results to the electorate.
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architect
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Wisconsin voting on the bill
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3/10/2011 8:39:35 AM
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Too bad they had to break the state open meetings law (According to Wisc Repub AG memo in December...24 hr notice required...they gave only 1:51 for the open conf committee which set this up immediately after a secret Repub caucus). The AG will be tested today to see if he will give the same opinion concerning his own party. if he is a hypocrit (quite likely) the courts are the next step. The Dems are now debating whether to return...they think that this vote is likely to be declared illegal (this might even be part of Scott's plan) and if they return they would be "forced" by state police to be in attendance when the Repubs bring up the original bill again.
Whether or not you agree with what senators of either party believe or do, is this the way we want our laws to be decided?
PS: Yep MM I'm driving by on my way to the office...have a nice day.
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MartiniMan
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3/10/2011 8:57:49 AM
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Well, well Archie......so if they broke the law (and I say "if") then the Dem Senators should have relished the idea of having a vote so it could be declared illegal in court instead of breaking the law themselves and running form the state like a bunch of gutless wonders to avoid a vote. Their job, which they voluntarily ran for, is to vote on behalf of their constituents regardless of the presumed outcome. I always love when someone promotes two wrongs don't make a right......even your dear sweet mother told you that when you were a child, right?
That's the thing with libtards, they can't even live by the simple rules their mothers gave them. Makes me wonder if they wash their hands after going to the bathroom......or do they jump off a bridge just because their friends did.......
Keep driving by Archie and I will keep skewering you.......its like shooting fish in a barrel.
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MrHodja
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Wisconsin voting on the bill
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3/10/2011 9:05:37 AM
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Are you comfortable with the way the "Obamacare" health care bill was enacted? Simple yes or no answer please.
At least the Repubs in the US Congress weren't a bunch of cowards who shirked their duty to represent their constituents IAW the Constitution. They stood and voted, even though they knew they would not prevail.
The Dems in Wis were elected to represent their constituents in the Wis Senate, not some motel in Illinois. If there weren't enough voters to elect enough Dem reps then they do not get their way. In case you weren't aware, that is the way the cow eats the cabbage in our country.
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water_watcher
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Wisconsin voting on the bill
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3/10/2011 10:22:14 AM
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sorry you ghave your facts wrong ... it requires 2 hours. But if the dems were doing their job rather than camping out in another state ignoring their responsibilities, then it would not have been an issue.
Archie ... who negotiates your benefits for you? Why do they need a union to negotiate healthcare and pension benefits? If the state proposal is not competitive, then they will not attract and keep all these valuable employees ... they will go work elsewhere ... right?
I would love to see your response to the above. I have not been able to get anyone answer that simple question that is against what the govenor is doing ... which is needed and in the best interest of the tax payers ... if it is not, why not.
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architect
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Wisconsin voting on the bill
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3/10/2011 10:30:08 AM
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The dem's flight have been wrong and/or stupid but it was not illegal according to a Wisc. judge. No I do not like the way "Obamacare" was passed, but it was not illegal and was done using the same procedure as the Bush tax cuts.
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architect
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Mr.H
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3/10/2011 10:35:56 AM
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I expect your continued "that's the way the cows eat the cabbage in this country" support of the Wisc. Democrats if and when they successfully use the election laws of their state to unseat the Republicans via the recall process. A possibility which probably received a big boost last night.
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water_watcher
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Wisconsin voting on the bill
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3/10/2011 10:36:08 AM
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wrong on the tax cuts .... but I know you have not accepted them and are sending back the savings each month.
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I hope they do ... and the dems in wisconsin take control back and then watch the state go down the tubes where it was headed when they did have control. Just like where the feds were headed with Obama and the dems in control. They are still fighting modest cuts.
Can you name one state that has a history of being run by democrats that has been successful? ie: balanced budget consistently, growing employment by growing business and retaining those they have, low taxes, low unemployment.
You can't because there are none. They are all a mess and republicans are riding in to fix the problems, like NJ, like WI .... but the dems and socialists that put them there are fighting tooth and nail.
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4691
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Wisconsin voting on the bill
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3/10/2011 11:13:42 AM
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I'd not really care much about what happened to these northern states if not for the fear that federal money will eventually go toward their bailouts. Likely the southern states will pick up a lot of the jobs as the businesses move from the higher taxes of the northern states. But unfortunately it is even more likely we all will share in the burden of these states that have been managed without fiscal responsibility.
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MrHodja
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Mr.H
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3/10/2011 11:35:45 AM
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Are you going to answer my question about "Obamacare"?
And you present an interesting, VERY hypothetical scenario. Of course I support and will continue to support operation of the Government as it is lawfully conducted. And for that reason I would expect you to support the Wisconsin Dems performing their lawful duty which is to show up in the lawfully designated venue (Senate) and exercise their lawful duty (vote on legislation presented before the body). Do you?
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architect
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Mr.H
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3/10/2011 12:03:31 PM
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Didn't answer??? Please read my post again.
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MrHodja
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Mr.H
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3/10/2011 12:10:57 PM
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Just re-read it, and to ensure there is no confusion on your part here is the question once again. Please answer:
Are you comfortable with the way the "Obamacare" health care bill was enacted? Simple yes or no answer please.
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architect
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Right on tax cuts
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3/10/2011 12:11:21 PM
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The first Bush tax cuts were inacted in the Senate through the reconcilization rule which permits certain types of legislation to be considered without the possibility of a filibuster. The cuts were approved 51 to 50 with the VP Cheney breaking the tie.
The healthcare law was also passed through the reconcilization rule but without the need for Biden'n vote. It was approved with a couple of votes to spare.
LOOK IT UP WW!
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architect
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3/10/2011 12:17:38 PM
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The Wisc AG said that 24 hours are req'd except in special emergency circumstances in which case 2 hours is required. If a case could be made that this was "special circumstances" (unlikely since this has been dragging on for weeks) they still came up 9 minutes short. WW,I know you and lots of your friends aren't influenced by facts, but it never hurts to state them!
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water_watcher
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3/10/2011 12:24:52 PM
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Ahhh ... but that is where you are wrong, very wrong.
But answer my question ... why is a union necessary to "bargain" for healthcare and pension benefits? They have enjoyed better than average and I would bet better than why you get, for many years. The reduction was to bring them close to the private sector. The private sector does not get to negotiate what their benefits are ... they are what the company provides ... and if we don't like it we work somewhere else.
It is self correcting since if the benefits are poor, they can not attract talent. So what is their to negotiate?
Why all the fuss?
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water_watcher
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24hours
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3/10/2011 12:28:32 PM
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So would you feel better if they said, ok, we will vote again and provide 24 hours notice. Do you think the outcome of the vote would be different? That is why they left because they knew the outcome. This would not even be a discussion point if the dems did not ignore their responsibility in the first place. Now they want to whine that they did not get enough notice as they were hinding out. What a joke.
I can't believe even you can defend that.
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water_watcher
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Right on tax cuts
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3/10/2011 12:31:50 PM
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it was different than Obamacare ... and not 16% of the GDP and not 2500 pages not even read by anyone ... as nacy Polosi said ... we need to just pass this so we can find out what is in the bill. What leadership.
The tax cuts were the right thing for the economy, the american people and the country. The american people wanted them too. You can not say the same for Obamanation care
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MrHodja
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Found it up above
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3/10/2011 2:02:35 PM
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So many posts so quickly I missed that one and was looking for the answer in a later one. Thanks for the response.
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