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Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	where is the liberals outrage
Date:	3/19/2011 12:50:31 PM

When Bush decided to invade Iraq he made a speech saying why it is the right thing. Fox news just played the Obama speech and it was almost word for word the same speech Bush gave. There he goes using someone elses speech.

Yet now the media things it is great to save the people of Libya ... but when Bush was saying the people of Iraq ... nope it was all about oil. I guess it is just different.

The liberals said it was a war we should not have entered ... so why do so many dems support invading Libya?

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	where is the liberals outrage
Date:	3/19/2011 1:25:10 PM

I don't think Liberals necessarily support using our military in Libya. I think that most people are sickened by the violence in Libya and would like to see Kidafi out of there, but I don't think people are thrilled with using our military that way. BTW, don't forget that the war in Iraq according to GWB was about WMD and giving the people of Iraq the democracy that they longed for.... That really worked out, didn't it? Far as I can see, we didn't get a darned thing out of the war in Iraq but a lot of debt and a lot of our soldiers killed. And similarly, I can't see that we'll get anything out of an invasion of Libya. And Obama has been "talking" publicly about the use of force in Libya. It's just those right wing ultra conservative media outlets that you listen to don't give it airtime.

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	where is the liberals outrage
Date:	3/19/2011 5:07:14 PM

Which part of 2008 until now is attributable to President Bush?

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	hound, hound, hound
Date:	3/19/2011 7:12:06 PM

lets not go there ... i think we got a lot out of being in Iraq. you have your point of view, and the rest of the world has theres. But you may want to thank Bush everyday you continue to be safe from another terrorist attack, and I am sure the people of Iraq appreciate it. Even if it is not perfect, they are far better off.

But "all that debt"??? it is not even close to what obama and thedems have run up and have no way to pay for other than say put more burden on the tax payers. It is about time we started to cut the FAT government and over paid employees.

Will that be enough? Who knows, but it is a start. All them dems want is to keep all the needless programs and wasteful spending as they continue to grow and bankrupt the US.

What is funny ... is Obama gave the same speech as Bush gave to say why military action may be necessary. How original. He can not even "pretend" to be a president.

Maybe he needs to get advice from his mother in law and that is why she travels on state trips. How about his anut that is still in the US illegally. Maybe she should go along too ... she now has a very nice home ... how did that happen?

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	where is the liberals outrage
Date:	3/19/2011 7:26:16 PM

This compares actuals and projected. Anything that happened in 2008 would have been started in 2007, before the Democrats took control. Also, isn't that about the same time we "surged" in Iraq?

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	hound, hound, hound
Date:	3/19/2011 7:43:30 PM

You weren't safe before we went into Iraq and you aren't safe now. If you believe anything else, you are kidding yourself. The lack of completed attacks has more to do with the vast improvement in our intelligence networks after 9/11 and the "wiretap" laws. 9/11 resulted in a heightened awareness in law enforcement, and also provided the money to improve communications between the intelligence collecting organizations across the government, and building Middle Eastern intelligence networks. Oh, one thing we got out of Iraq -- the world sees us as a country who will unilaterally go into a foreign country on a "false pretense", depose their leader, put the country into chaos, and then eventually leave. That's what we got out of Iraq. Most of the world believes we have a war on Muslims and distrusts our intentions. There were never any terrorist training camps in Iraq, nor was it necessarily a "safe harbor" for terrorists. That was the Taliban in Afghanistan; Sudan and Yemen. Syria is known to financially support terrorist groups, so why didn't we go there first? Just think what where we would be in terms of our budget and our safety if we had focused our efforts in Afghanistan instead of taking a detour in Iraq. The real plan was to sweep through Iraq (they actually expected that we would be embraced by the Iraqi people and quickly depose Saddam) and then to sweep on into Syria and Iran. But, as you know, we got bogged down in Iraq and never were able to progress to any other objectives. So now we are years behind the power curve in fighting the bad guys, who reside in the no man's land in the mountainous regions between Pakistan and Afghanistan. They haven't moved. That's where they have always been. And we've lost the momentum of the American people to continue to fight there. In fact, recent polls suggest that the majority of people think we should withdraw.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	hound, hound, hound
Date:	3/19/2011 7:47:25 PM

OMG ... you are scary. You live in your own little world and think you are so right and everyone else is so wrong. That is a typical liberal. Yet the facts never do support your positions and when you get the chance, you always fail.

Why is that? Shame on you.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	The problem is
Date:	3/19/2011 7:52:34 PM

You have no facts to argue on this. I may be scary, but you are just uninformed.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	hound, hound, hound
Date:	3/19/2011 7:53:07 PM

Oh a typical response from a "non-essential" ex government employee. Boy what a loss for the country when you retired.

Now I need to get ready to go enjoy a nice dinner.

I will continue to pray for you and that the american people are smart enough to finish the job started in November and throw those that think like you and are destroying and bankrupting this country .... out of office. as long as the Obama does not collapse the economy and the country first.

Gee we may lead the way in Libya ... so I guess we will repeat the same mistake you think we make in Iraq ... or will you find a way to say that was right. Maybe Obama can steal another Bush speech ... I mean borrow. He even did that in the campaign.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	The problem is
Date:	3/19/2011 7:54:03 PM

yeah ... thats it. :)

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Guess you haven't been watching the news
Date:	3/19/2011 7:58:37 PM

We're not leading in Libya. He's managed to build an EQUAL coalition on the Libya issue. I hope you enjoy your dinner, but you can save your prayers on my behalf. And by the way, from 2000 on, I was listed as an essential government employee, but that was my loss. That just means I didn't get time off with pay at the expense of people like you.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	hmmmm ...
Date:	3/19/2011 8:01:21 PM

Just like Bush did in Iraq .... good for him

Darn those facts again. :)

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Contracting?
Date:	3/19/2011 8:19:21 PM

I've never worked in Contracting. So I'm not sure where you got that I worked in contracting. In 2000, I become the Director, Technology Review in my government agency. I had 40 engineers and 15 non-technical employees working for me. In 2004, I became the Deputy Director of our agency of 250 military and civilians.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Contracting?
Date:	3/19/2011 10:52:42 PM

wow ... I'm impressed. That is one large group of non-essential government employees.

What a waste of tax payers dollars. We really can solve the budget crisis ... thanks for sharing that.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Contracting?
Date:	3/19/2011 11:12:41 PM

I worked with foreign countries at one point in my career. Foreign Military Sales. And I was involved in their contracts, but I never worked in contracting. The last 15 or so years, I worked technology security issues. Sometimes it involved industry and their contracts with foreign governments. But, actually, it would be possible for someone that worked in Contracting to be essential. There are situations in the military where something would have to be put on contract immediately to support a national security situation. As far as I know, several members of every discipline are put on the "essential" list to keep minimal gov't operations going.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Frankly
Date:	3/19/2011 11:14:41 PM

I'm wondering what you do that is so "essential"... I wonder if such a thing existed in your company if you would make the list. Lots of people think that killing all the lawyers would be a good start to an improved world.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Frankly
Date:	3/20/2011 7:49:03 AM

oh that is great ... make laws and then have no one to defend them or represent people and companies.

Look ... private sector jobs are self governing. No value, no job. Comapnies must make a profit or cuts are made and jobs go away ... quickly.

My job is only essential if others need the service and will pay for it. But as I have shared, most of my work is in the not for profit sector dealing with financing and banking.

So if all the not for profits are blown up, and some should be, then I would have to find something else to do. But not worried as long as Obama and the dems want to keep throwing more and more tax payers money toward programs in the not for profit sector. They love those entitlement programs. I am sure Obama and the dems look at most federal employees as part of their entitlement mentality and why you struggle with cuts.

If there was a way to really get to what everyone considered essential and was willing to pay for ... not only would we have a smaller government, but a balanced budget, and probably lower taxes. Then make it mandatory to balance the budget each year (except at time of war, national crisis or defending the country). Any new program has to be paid for in advance, and even when the few exception occur, it must be paid back in 5 years even if it is a short term tax increase. But it really has to be a national emergency, then the tax goes away.

Isn't that how you manage your budget? Or do keep running up credit card balances and when you reach your limit just get another credit card. Isn't there a time a bank would say no more?

We need to get real ... yes republicans ran up deficits too ... but no where close to what Obama and the dems have.   Obama is still talking about high speed rail projects paid by the government ... no ... we do not have the money and the tax payers do not want to pay for it. If it was viable and could be profitable, then the private sector would do it.

Obama needs to realize he represents the people, he does not have all the answers and can not keep spending money he does not have and forcing it down people throats and say "like it" because I said so, and I am going to make generations to pay for it. Just because other dictators can do it that way ... he can't. That is why I do believe he would love to bankrupt and see the economy collapse .... in hopes that our constitution gets thrown out and his view of government can be adopted.

I believe that very much and he counts on people like you to stand by his side defending his actions ... until it is too late.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	hound, we also got 5000 dead Americans!!!
Date:	3/20/2011 8:50:46 AM (updated 3/20/2011 8:52:06 AM)

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	Safe Before the Invasion of Iraq
Date:	3/20/2011 3:06:35 PM (updated 3/20/2011 3:08:18 PM)

Okay, check the block the block that applies:

“Chemical Ali” was executed because:

[ ] He used chemical weapons on civilians
[ ] He was a high ranking Ba’ath Party Poobah

Just before Iraq was engaged, the US has imagery of:

[ ] Iraq moving massive amounts of strategic materiel from high security areas to Syria

[ ] Iraq making ordinary transport of goods to Syria

Saddam was in the business of marketing:

[ ] Persian rugs to the free world

[ ] Weapons of terror to terrosists

Osama bin Laden:

[ ] Was a tourist in Baghdad

[ ] Received refuge and medical treatment in Baghdad

Saddam is quoted as saying:

[ ] I will destroy the great Satan

[ ] I will recognize the sovereignty of the United States and its allies.

Just before Iraq was engaged, Saddam Hussein and his sons, Uday and Qusay were:

[ ] Hedonistic, corrupt, rapist tyrants

[ ] Devout, peace loving Muslims

Just after Iraq was engaged, Saddam Hussein:

[ ] Remained a hedonistic, corrupt, rapist tyrant

[ ] Became a devout, peace loving Muslim

I would have bet the security of my country and the free world that:

[ ] Saddam DID NOT have WMDs
[ ] Saddam might have had WMDs

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	I got 100% ... :)
Date:	3/20/2011 4:11:04 PM

Well done.

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