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Name:   lotowner - Email Member
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Subject:   Arab League
Date:   3/29/2011 9:46:35 PM


I have wondered lately who had membership in the Arab League. Now I know. What do I conclude.

  1. Dictators are everywhere
  2. Egypt was removed from the organization after the Peace Treaty was signed with Israel.
  3. Arab interest have priority.
  4. The state religion is Islam
  5. Obama is tied to the Arab League and the United Nations

I heard someone say today that Robert Mugabe would be the most Democratic if he attended a league meeting. That's scary!



Arab League, informal name of the League of Arab States, a voluntary association of independent countries whose peoples are mainly Arabic speaking. Its stated purposes are to strengthen ties among the member states, coordinate their policies, and promote their common interests.

The Arab League was founded in Cairo in 1945 by Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Transjordan (Jordan, as of 1950), and Yemen.

 

Members of the Arab League

 

Algeria

Bahrain

Comoros

Djibouti

Egypt

Iraq
Name:   Talullahhound - Email Member
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Subject:   Arab League
Date:   3/30/2011 8:03:39 AM

How do you conclude that Obama has "ties" to the Arab League from the information you have provided? Considering the history of the region, I don't necessarily see anything ominous in the fact that they have formed an organization to look out for their interests. No different than the large number of "alliances" formed around the world when a common interest exists.



Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
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Subject:   Arab League
Date:   3/30/2011 8:57:10 AM

Except their common interest is the subjugation of the world under Sharia Law.....otherwise they are just like NATO and the Girl Scouts.......
Name:   Talullahhound - Email Member
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Subject:   Arab League
Date:   3/30/2011 5:43:47 PM

No, that is not their aim. You are confusing them with the Taliban and other radical groups. Look at the history of the Middle East. Most of them have only been "countries" since in mid-40's. Why shouldn't they promote their interests. Let's not let our paranoia take over. We don't need McCarthyism about Islam.



Name:   lotowner - Email Member
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Subject:   Arab League
Date:   3/30/2011 8:13:20 PM


TH

Who are you trying to convert. These countries do not like the USA or any other non Muslim country. You almost sound like Chamberlain after his visit with Hitler prior to WW2. These countries are not democratic and would not hesitate to wipe us out with a nuclear weapon or destroy our economy. It's time for this country to redefine who we are now and where we want to be in the next several years. You will have a chance in 2012 to continue with Obama and self destruct or vote for someone who cares for this country.  
Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
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Subject:   Hey Lottie
Date:   3/30/2011 8:59:41 PM

Why don't you answer De Hounds question? "How do you conclude that Obama has "ties" to the Arab League from the information you have provided?"



Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
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Subject:   Ah, McCarthyism
Date:   3/30/2011 9:19:20 PM

You know someone's views are intellectually bankrupt when they resort to that perjorative.  But what is doubly ironic is that unless you believe in the revisionist history taught in government schools you would know that McCarthy was more right than wrong about the Soviets inflitration of the U.S. in various spheres of society (arts,literature, academia and government).  His tactics may have been off the mark but as we have learned with the fall of the Soviet Union and the opening of KGB files he was right about his concerns.

Despite that admonition, it really doesn't even apply in the context of my comment about the Arab League.  No one is talking about bringing them in front of a congressional hearing and sanctimoniously asking them, "Are you now or have you ever been a Muslim?"  Of course they are Muslims and of course they believe in the imposition of Sharia Law.  It is fundamental to their belief system and is not just the purvue of the radicals.  The only thing that separates the radicals from the rest of Islam is their means, not their motive nor their intent.  Hound, you need to read up a little more on history.  I recommend studying the experience that Thomas Jefferson and John Adams had when dealing with the Barbary pirates back in the 1700's.  A remarkable resemblance to what we are dealing with today in terms of their belief system proving what I have always maintained, there is really nothing new under the sun.


McCarthy.......gimme a break.  And I crack you up.......
Name:   Talullahhound - Email Member
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Subject:   Arab League
Date:   3/30/2011 9:29:20 PM

Do you hear yourself? That isn't true, where do you get these ideas? Have you ever even been to the Middle East? Your paranoia is totally unjustified. They don't love us, any more than we love them. But, we do have an national security interest in dealing with them, as well as a business interest. Do you realize that our military trains their military in a lot of these countries? And we consider this a good thing. Do you realize the amount of business our companies do in the Middle East? It's not like we don't have mutual interests with them.



Name:   Talullahhound - Email Member
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Subject:   Ah, McCarthyism
Date:   3/30/2011 9:34:32 PM

McCarthy created a communist witch hunt which was totally ridiculous and a very low point in American history. I am in violent disagreement with you that McCarthy was more right than wrong.... Don't get me started... I've already lived through "a communist under every rock" years. I'm sure you still believe the Domino effect about Viet Nam too... And by the way, having all those Muslims in for a hearing... I guess you don't consider that smacking of McCarthyism? You really do crack me up, MM.



Name:   lotowner - Email Member
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Subject:   Ah, McCarthyism
Date:   3/30/2011 9:58:16 PM


Where did you get your information on Sen. Joe McCarthy? From the National Inquirer!. You obviously vote like you think. Obama is great! Sen. Joe McCarthy was evil. No one in Hollywood were Communist and the Rosenberg's were innocent. Communism was never a threat and the Soviet Union never ruled East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland, and. Muslims are not a threat to our freedom. 
Name:   Talullahhound - Email Member
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Subject:   Ah, McCarthyism
Date:   3/30/2011 11:32:42 PM

McCarthy was evil. Small minded, paranoid. Did communists take over the US? No. Now tell me that was because McCarthy rooted them out. Yeah, right.



Name:   Talullahhound - Email Member
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Subject:   Oh yes...
Date:   3/30/2011 11:36:44 PM

How did you know I'm a huge fan of the National Enquirer? Love those alien babies.



Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
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Subject:   Hound was subjected to McCarthyism!!!!
Date:   3/31/2011 8:49:56 AM

Hound, that is totally laughable that you lived through McCarthyism.  His hearings were between April and May 1954.  Unless you are 80 years old anyway......or maybe you started working for the government when you were 3 years old.....which is it?  And I crack you up???

You really do need to read something other than the history books in the government schools.  As I said, his tactics were deplorable, but what he was mostly right about was that the Soviets were actively engaged in espionage and recruitment of people in those areas I mentioned above and that was a threat to our national security....unless of course you are a closet Bolshevik and keep the hammer and cycle flag hidden in your desk drawer......in which case you might not agree.

No, I don't consider the King hearings to be anything of the sort and if you had watched more of them you would agree.  The fact is that the last few attacks by Islamofascists on this country were a result of radicalization of them here in our own backyard.  You might not think that is a serious problem but you need to listen to the testimony of the parents to hear the truth.  You also need to look at some studies about the recruitment and radicalization that is happening in our prisons.  I went to a talk by a warden of a maximum security prison in Louisiana and it is a huge problem.

Stick your head in the sand Hound.....but don't worry, the adults that are not a slave to political correctness or who don't get their news and views from the government media will keep you safe.  And I will keep voting for them and sending them financial support.  I care about the future for my children and grandchildren.
Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
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Subject:   Ah, McCarthyism
Date:   3/31/2011 8:54:17 AM

And the Soviets were just kind hearted folks trying to help us see that communism was the true path to utopia.......

McCarthy wasn't evil, he was ambitious and saw these hearings as a way to national prominence.  They backfired on him and for that I am glad because his tactics were wrong.  But you really do need to read something other than high school text books to understand the history of the hearings.  I could recommend some books but given the author's names I doubt you would be open minded enough to read them.

And I do suppose you think the Rosenbergs were innocent, right? 
Name:   Talullahhound - Email Member
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Subject:   Hound was subjected to McCarthyism!!!!
Date:   3/31/2011 9:48:58 PM

What are you talking about? You just go on and on. I didn't learn anything about McCarthyism when I was in school. Everything I know about McCarthy comes from things I've read since. It doesn't matter what I think about the Rosenburgs, since they were executed and we all know that innocent people are never executed for crimes they didn't commit, right? So they must have been guilty. IN the 1960's, when I was in grade school, there was still much paranoia about the Communists and the Soviets. We were told by our government that our involvement in VN was to stop communism in it's tracks -- yes, we were spoon fed the domino effect. I'm old enough to remember "duck and cover" so when the big, bad Soviet Union bombed us, we could survive. I remember serious discussion about bomb shelters and as a young child I remember going home from school one day terrified and told my mother that "the Russians were coming"... which I can only conclude had to do with the Cuban Missile Crisis. I don't think it is ever a good idea to succumb to paranoia. And there are always those that will be willing to generate and exploit paranoia for political purposes. As an adult, I realize that I can never be 100% sure of what the real intentions of another country are, but I also realize that my own government does not always wear the "white hat" of good intentions and have lived long enough to find out that what I am told is rarely the whole story.
Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
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Subject:   Hound was subjected to McCarthyism!!!!
Date:   4/1/2011 8:45:07 AM

Hound, we were talking about McCarthyism and you replied, and I quote, "I've already lived through "a communist under every rock" years."  The clear implication was that you lived during the McCarthy years and experienced the red scare. 

Now if you are saying it was during the Vietnam years I also grew up during that timeframe and my brother served in Vietnam.  I have no recollection of there being paranoia about a communist under every rock in the U.S.  That is just silly.  What JFK and LBJ were concerned about was the spread of communism in Asia.  Were they right?  Gee, I would ask the millions who died in the killing fields after we bailed out but they aren't exactly around to tell us about the joys of communism that spread into Vietnam.  But hey, they supported the wrong guy so they got what they deserved, right?
Name:   Talullahhound - Email Member
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Subject:   Hound was subjected to McCarthyism!!!!
Date:   4/1/2011 9:03:29 AM

My husband and other members of my family served in VN. So we advised, we escalated, then we left and the South fell anyway. So what exactly did we accomplish there and what was the point of all our military members that were killed there? In my view, NOTHING. It was a war for political and economic gain. And in the end, the communists did not sweep across Asia, into Europe and onto our shores, did it? They certainly had the chance. We were lied to by our government. And our military paid the price. Even McNamara admitted that VN was a mistake.



Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
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Subject:   Hound was subjected to McCarthyism!!!!
Date:   4/1/2011 10:36:59 AM

Don't get me wrong, I agree it was a mistake and it was handled poorly from the beginning.  And the servicemen and women that were killed or wounded (physically and mentally) paid a high price.  But so did millions of Vietnamese after we abandoned them.  Many of them were also innocent.

My point was I just have no recollection of there being a red scare in the U.S. when that war was going on.  The concern was over the spread of communism but it is easy to say given the 20/20 vision of hindsight that it was overstated or wrong.  But I think if you go back to the 60's there were plenty of good reasons for people to be concerned about the spread of that ideology.  And the more we learn about the disastrous results of communism and tens of millions that died all over the world and the hundreds of millions that suffered, the more I think our cold, warm and hot wars against this evil ideology were right and justified.
Name:   Talullahhound - Email Member
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Subject:   Communism
Date:   4/1/2011 6:44:13 PM

Seems to be serving China right now better than democracy is serving us today. No, I'm not promoting Communism, but it's something to think about. H_Hob, yes, the Pentagon ran the VN war from the Pentagon. I'm sure you have been the VN Memorial in DC (if not, you definitely should go before you die). It's like a cathedral down next to the Wall. I remember the day we pulled out of VN. It just felt like so many dead and wounded and for what? They should have let the Generals run that war and win it. MM, I believe the government tried to convince us that we were striking out against communism, but it was really about something else. An awful lot of people in Washington got rich off the war.



Name:   Talullahhound - Email Member
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Subject:   The Wall
Date:   4/2/2011 7:53:04 PM

I think it is one of the most amazing monuments in Washington. Until you get down next to the Wall, you can't anticipate the way it hits you. The hush, because no matter how many people are down there, it feels like a catherdral. Many tears are shed there. Even the tributes people leave behind can grab you in a way you don't expect. Who would think that a granite wall with just names engraved on it would have such an impact on everyone who goes there. I hope every VN vet and their children and grandchildren get a chance to visit in their lifetime.



Name:   Talullahhound - Email Member
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Subject:   And the Hall of Heros
Date:   4/2/2011 7:59:27 PM

I'm sure if you have been to the Pentagon you have been there. The new location on the concourse is fancier, but I actually liked the old location on the 2nd floor better. I can't tell you how many times I was brought to tears in the old location. On a really bad day in the Pentagon, I would go down there just to remind myself that real heroes do exist, and that no matter how hard things could get,it wasn't anything compared to those that made that kind of sacrifice. At the time, the most recent recipients were those guys from Somolia that went to the aid of the downed pilot. Just reading their citation was a lesson in self sacrifice and what it means to be a hero.






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