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MartiniMan
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Starving Grandma...already beginning
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4/5/2011 7:52:08 PM
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I would say a big I told you so if this weren't so totally predictable. So the GOP proposes we roll back spending to 2008 levels and Pelosi goes on like a raving idiot. Hey Nancy, how come your 2008 budget didn't starve Grandma then but now it does?
Hound, this is where you Independents have to say enough is enough. If this doesn't sicken you, along with Obama's we have to act like adults while he rejects a measly $61 billion reduction out of a $3+ trillion budget. They are just not serious and cannot be trusted to govern.
URL: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/04/05/pelosi_gop_budget_will_deprive_seniors_of_meals.html
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Talullahhound
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Starving Grandma...already beginning
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4/5/2011 8:13:55 PM
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Obviously, Nancy is wrong. I think a lot of people would just be happy with a budget for 2011.
I've been reading the summaries of Ryan's budget and I see a lot of things in it that I can agree with. Of course, the devil is in the details, but it's a place to start.
So if they can just agree to something for 2011, we can move on.
At this point, we're talking about a budget for 5 months. why is that so hard?
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water_watcher
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Starving Grandma...already beginning
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4/5/2011 8:31:56 PM
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Wow! That is progress.
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4691
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Starving Grandma...already beginning
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4/5/2011 8:56:00 PM
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Yes, Grandma is going to starve AND the rich will get richer? I just do not understand the Republican's strategy...cutting top individual tax rates from 35 to 25%. We need spending cuts. Significantly large and permanent spending cuts. And we need the spending cut now. Why mix tax cuts for top payers (individuals; not corporate) in the same spending reduction plan? You are preaching to the choir if you try to explain the economics of job production. This tax cut jeopardizes the spending reduction plan by giving Democrats an easy and popular sound bite to kill the plan. Why not pass the spending cuts first? By the way, I really like the plan based on a quick review of the downloaded document. But selling this plan to a fiscal conservative is not the challenge.
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Tall Cotton
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Starving Grandma...already beginning
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4/5/2011 9:17:28 PM
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If there is a budget, rather than a continuing resolution, in place funding of the healthcare bill is on the table for being cut. That's why no budget.
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Talullahhound
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Starving Grandma...already beginning
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4/5/2011 9:29:33 PM
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I don't think that healthcare is the real issue on the budget right now. The major provisions and costs of healthcare don't take effect until 2014. This is just the budget for the next 5 months.
People don't want their government to shut down. Guess who will get the blame?
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water_watcher
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Starving Grandma...already beginning
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4/5/2011 9:35:21 PM
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Dems because people want cuts in spending and the republicans only want modest cuts and the dems are foolishly again ignoring the wish of the people. Bite the bullet and start cutting. There is a lot to cut $50 to $60 billion is just a token ... why are them dems even arguing the point ... the people are not on their side.
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MartiniMan
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Starving Grandma...already beginning
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4/6/2011 8:31:48 AM
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Hound, look at the polling on the shutdown issue as it is very interesting. Rasmussen 57% OK with government shutdown if it leads to budget cuts. Only 31% disagree and the rest are unsure. So a majority of Americans actually favor shutting down the government if that is what it takes. And a recent Gallup poll indicated that just as many Americans will blame the Dems as the GOP for a shut down.
Only the government media and the Dems will blame the GOP for the shutdown (the Washington bubble will be rattling but not so in the rest of the country). Also, people keep claiming that this will be a repeat of 1995 and they are just wrong. Some important differences from then. In 1995 about the only conservative voice on radio or tv was Rush Limbaugh. Today there are literally dozens of conservatives on radio so the truth on the shutdown will be out there unlike 1995. We also have a plethora of conservative websites, facebook, youtube and other means to get the truth out. Also, there was no Fox News in 1995. Finally, and I have pointed this out before, the conventional wisdom that the shutdown hurt the GOP is factually wrong. In fact, after the shutdown the GOP kept control of the House for the first time in over 60 years. And their net loss? A grand total of 2 seats!
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MartiniMan
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Starving Grandma...already beginning
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4/6/2011 8:37:25 AM
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Glad you see some merit in the plan. The details are there for anyone to read. BTW, Ryan's budget proposal has far reaching impacts well beyond 2011. And it totally defunds Obamacare. And it still calls for the federal gov't to spend almost $40 trillion over the next 10 years. More than they should take from the private sector but at least a step in the right direction.
And it should be noted that had Dems not abdicated their responsibility last year and actually passed a budget we would not be in this mess. But now the adults are in charge of the House and are doing the heavy lifting. Dems in the Senate are going to pay a heavy price for blocking what people obviously want.....lower government spending and deficits.
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MartiniMan
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Starving Grandma...already beginning
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4/6/2011 8:42:46 AM
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We have to be realistic, regardless of the strategy the GOP uses the Dems are going to say all the same things. I for one am glad they have the courage to do what is right. Maybe, just maybe they really want to get the economy going and they realize that tax cuts are the best way to do so. And doesn't the Dem's claims about helping the rich ring hollow? If I were in the GOP I would create multiple ads showing the cozy relationship between Immelt/GE and Obama and then transition into the headlines about GE paying no taxes in the U.S. and actually getting tax credits, their health care waiver, Immelt's $15M salary and ask the question, "And Democrats claim that we are for the rich? Gimme a break!" Two can play the class envy game.
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Talullahhound
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Starving Grandma...already beginning
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4/6/2011 9:18:44 AM
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I wouldn't get too carried away.... I'm not sure I'm seeing a lot of "adult" behavior. I actually feel sorry for Boehner, because I think the Tea Party has put him in a box.
I downloaded the Ryan proposal this morning and have skimmed it. I think he is on the right track, but as I said in another posting, the devil is in the details.
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Talullahhound
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Starving Grandma...already beginning
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4/6/2011 9:29:45 AM
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Without knowing who was polled, it's hard to know the accuracy of that number. You and I both know that polling can be skewed depending on who is polled. So polls are interesting, but not necessarily reflective of the overall population.
It will be interesting to see where this goes, and what the fall out, if any, comes.
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MAJ USA RET
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Starving Our Children
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4/6/2011 9:38:13 AM
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Starving Grandma? What about our children… grandchildren… those of us who expect to live past 2025? Watch the following video (it’s safe). I don’t care how you FEEL about it. Address it FACTUALLY.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwv5EbxXSmE
Don’t kick the can…SHUT IT DOWN. No more penny-anti poker while the stakes are in the trillions and there is real hope and change to be won… OR LOST!
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MartiniMan
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Starving Grandma...already beginning
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4/6/2011 9:40:38 AM
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What do you mean get too carried away? Boehner is not in a box because of the Tea Party. The GOP in the house ran on cutting spending by $100 billion, Boehner included. There is no Tea Party box. They were elected in huge numbers and Pelosi was booted as Speaker for one reason, to rein in out of control spending. If there is a box it is of their own making and people now expect them to deliver.
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MartiniMan
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Starving Grandma...already beginning
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4/6/2011 9:43:43 AM
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No disagreement on how polls can be skewed. One thing I like about Rasmussen is they provide the methodology. Gallup does as well which is sometimes reason to criticize them once you look at their methods. Rasmussen polls likely voters. Gallup polls registered voters. That is why Rasmussen is typically more accurate in projecting how issues impact election results.
But even considering the margin of error, etc. this should bolster the GOP to do the right thing.
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MAJ USA RET
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Carried away...already beginning
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4/6/2011 10:04:10 AM
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Rep. Chris Van Hollen, has accused Rep. Paul Ryan of “...slashing our investment in education...” Hmmm... would that be the gross failure at taxpayer expense labeled “Department of Education”?
Of course, this was before Van Hollen even had read Ryan’s proposal.
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Talullahhound
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4/6/2011 4:26:42 PM
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Huge Numbers??? I don't think so.
And I do think Boehner is in a box. He knows that the only way anything ever gets done in Washington is through negotiation. This is all just political gamesmanship. SOSDD.
The question on CNN, is if they shut down the government, will anyone notice. My answer -- only if you are waiting for your passport, have just filed your SS request, or if you are a large company waiting for your export license so you can complete a multi-million dollar sale. (I'm sure there are a lot of others, but those just popped in my head.
Realistically, I don't care what the polls show, there is nothing to be gained by shutting down the government.
And BTW, I saw Michele Bachman on some news show this morning. She is a blithering idiot. Seriously, if she is the leader of the Tea Party, they don't have much hope.
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Talullahhound
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Carried away...already beginning
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4/6/2011 4:35:18 PM
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You can expect a lot of political posturing, with all the attendant sound bites. I don't think it is perfect, I don't think it is awful; I just think it is a place to start. But, you can be sure that some members of Congress will immediately jump on it.
Frankly, I had to ignore all the pejorative language just to get through the thing, but having had the "Washington Experience", I don't find it hard to do.
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4691
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Starving Our Children
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4/6/2011 7:56:53 PM
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Good video...but very scary. It's difficult to understand that there are those that prefer to do nothing to address the problem.
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MAJ USA RET
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Hound, we know how you feel
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4/6/2011 8:08:27 PM
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Now Hound, we know how you FEEL about it. If you think Rep Ryan’s plan is too draconian, you and Obama need to offer your FACT based plan on how to end this debt crisis. I want to know how you will not only eliminate the deficit, but how you will pay off the debt. Don’t give it a cowardly kick it on down the road. Let’s have your REAL plan to START NOW.
Don’t tell us again how you FEEL about it. Name departments, and cuts, and curtailments, and loop holes and exclusions to close. DO NOT ASK FOR MORE MONEY TO FRITTER AWAY! History has shown us that hound don't hunt.
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MAJ USA RET
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Hound, we know how you feel
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4/6/2011 8:13:31 PM
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Hound, list the points made by Rep Ryan in the video. Tell us how and when YOU would mitigate each condition. Give us meaningful and basis-in-fact counterpoint. You say we are over reacting. Where is Rep Ryan deficient in his (learned and qualified) reasoning?
Swim or go to the shallow end of the pool.
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Talullahhound
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Hound, we know how you feel
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4/6/2011 9:44:30 PM
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What are you talking about? I've already said that I thought Ryan's plan has some merit.
Thankfully, I don't have to have a plan. I just get to judge other people's plans.
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Talullahhound
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Hound, we know how you feel
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4/6/2011 9:48:42 PM
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I didn't say you were over-reacting. I said that MM was overstating about the "overwhelming" success of the Tea Party.
I have no intention of sitting on this stupid computer and listing a point by point commentary on Ryan's plan. I'm retired. I get paid to give point by point analysis, but since economics isn't my field, I'll leave that you experts. I'm sure MM will be more than happy to accomodate you.
And I'll swim wherever I want in the pool, until you own it.
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MartiniMan
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Starving Grandma...already beginning
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4/7/2011 8:38:03 AM
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I think the GOP going from where they were to holding 239 seats in the House to be huge. In fact it was the biggest change in seats in over 60 years! The GOP ran on getting control over government spending and defunding and eventually replacing Obamacare with sensible reforms. That is what the American people sent them there to start and hopefully in 2012 we will be in a place to finish the job.
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MartiniMan
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BTW
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4/7/2011 8:48:21 AM
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I don't know why you are so fixated on Michelle Bachman. You pay way more attention to her than any of us do. She is just another GOP congresswoman (and potential Presidential candidate) and apparently attracting the same kind of foam at the mouth attention from the left that Sarah Palin did. It never ceases to amaze me how the left attaches themselves like rabid dogs to certain Republicans. Very strange....
And if you knew anything about the Tea Party, it is not really a party and doesn't pretend to be and has no defined leader. The Tea Party is a grass roots movement that operates within the GOP to promote primarily fiscal conservatism and smaller government. You are sadly mistaken if you want to anoint Bachman as the leader of anything related to the Tea Party. She may have Tea Party support but so do hundreds of GOP members of Congress that promote fiscal conservative values.
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lotowner
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4/7/2011 2:19:39 PM
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TH does not like Michele Bachman (a blithering idiot); Sarah Palin; Tea Party: and who else? Do females intimidate TH? She does defend with vigor Barack Hussein Obama. If Obama somehow fell into an outdoor toilet, TH would comment how good he looked and how great he smelled.
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lotowner
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Carried away...already beginning
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4/7/2011 2:48:25 PM
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Frankly, I had to ignore all the pejorative language just to get through the thing, but having had the "Washington Experience", I don't find it hard to do
I guess this means that only forum members with "Washington Experience" are qualified to comment with accuracy on legislation. Strange! Congress probably has a similar attitude since "they will find out what's in the bill after they pass it". All you forum members from Looney's Creek, Walden's Ridge, and Hooter's Hollow with PhDs are not qualified since you never had the "Washington Experience".
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MartiniMan
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4/7/2011 2:57:36 PM
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LT you need to give Hound a break. If she admitted what a disaster the Messiah has been it would logically cause her to admit that we told her so. That is just not going to happen, even if he were caught selling military secrets to the ChiComs for child pornography. She doesn't have it in her to admit she was wrong.
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Talullahhound
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According to Michele Bachman
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4/7/2011 4:57:17 PM
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She is the head of the Tea Party Caucus and their spokesperson.
I didn't make this up.
I feel I know all I need to know about the Tea Party. Not my cup of tea...
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MartiniMan
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Changing your story, eh?
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4/7/2011 10:11:15 PM
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So now all the sudden we are talking about the Tea Party Caucus instead of the Tea Party? Funny how when I point out your error you always seem to change the story. Reminds me of a guy in grad school who always raised his hand and give the wrong answer. When the prof would correct him he would say, "Yeah, that's what I meant to say". Always good for a laugh.
So here's a little more education for you Hound, a caucus is a group of like minded congresspeople and not a political party. It would be like saying the Congressional Black Caucus is its own party. They actually belong to the Demoncrat party just like Michelle and others in the Tea Party Caucus belong to the GOP. And again, there is no political party called the Tea Party. Can't you ever just admit when you are wrong? It really is the sign of a person with low self esteem when they can never admit they are wrong, unless of course you are like me and Rush. We are right 99.6% of the time....
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Talullahhound
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Changing your story, eh?
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4/8/2011 7:00:18 PM
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I know very little about the Tea Party -- Caucus or otherwise, other than it seems to be populated by blithering idiots.
Tea Party -- Not my cup of tea.
Go ahead MM, prove to everyone once again that YOU are MASTER of the Universe... a little fish in an even smaller pond. How sad.
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