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water_watcher
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If this does not wake up Obama and the dems ...
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4/18/2011 8:58:15 PM
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I don't know what will. Note the comment that the US will no longer be the reserve currency. HUGE !!!
So lets see if the dems dig in their heals and cling to thos entitlement programs and go down with the ship ... because that is where we are headed.
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JohnGalt
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If this does not wake up Obama and the dems ...
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4/19/2011 8:38:54 AM
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I think after hearing this news the current administration chuckled and said that they were on the right track.
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Talullahhound
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Not just the Dems
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4/19/2011 10:10:07 AM
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Republicans better wake up too. This is not a time for political posturing and playing to the base. Republicans need to realize that the Ryan budget is not going to be embraced in toto, and get down to serious negotiation. It's not just another political game.
It's pretty sad that there is no confidence that our politicians cannot deal and solve the problem. That's telling on both sides. We're on the way down, and they are fighting about NRP and Planned Parenthood. It's time to rally the country to make sacrifices about entitlements and taxes. Even Alan Greenspan says it's time to let the Bush tax cuts expire.
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MAJ USA RET
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If this does not wake up Obama and the dems ...
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4/19/2011 10:14:24 AM
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John, I live in dread that this president will be martyred. It would throw this nation into a voodoo festival replete with costumed characters and violent rhetoric. He deserves martyrdom as much as he deserved the nobel peace prize.
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MrHodja
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Not just the Dems
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4/19/2011 10:32:28 AM
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While the Right would like to see the sacred cow NPR and PP defunded, I suspect that all along they planned to use them as bargaining chips which they would surrender when they thought they got as much as they could for the threat to defund them.
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water_watcher
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Not just the Dems
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4/19/2011 12:43:58 PM
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I know I am getting sick of the lack of action and playing to their base.
The majority of the problem is the spending and entitlements ... lets address what is going out the door and get that cut first.
The discussion on should the tax cuts that have been in effect for the last 10 years need to be extended or not is a discussion that should be had ... but only after real spending cuts have been made.
The reason I say that is there needs to be work done on the whole tax code ... even the IRS is saying it is so complex now that they can not keep up with it and it has to be simplified. A simplier tax code increases revenue because the reduced complexity allows less shelters and less areas to cheat.
I honestly have a tax plan that I think is simple and effective that I am drafting and plan on sending to Obama and many congressmen and offer it as a starting point. I am sure some of you will laugh at this, but while it is high level thoughts, I do think it addresses concerns on both sides and could be very effective. I have allowed many people to look at it and have received very positive feedback.
I am not saying it is the answer ... but sometimes a fresh thought will stimulate other thinking and bring people together.
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MartiniMan
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What should they give up?
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4/19/2011 7:04:46 PM
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Hound, exactly what do you want the GOP to give up from the Ryan plan? Remember, whatever you take away whittles away from the spending reductions. Just curious what you think they need to compromise on.
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Talullahhound
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Great idea
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4/19/2011 7:58:06 PM
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There is nothing wrong with proposing solutions. I admire that.
Sunday Morning interviewed the taxpayer representative at the IRS. She said that last year there were 526 Congress-approved changes to the tax code. 526 in ONE year.
I was asking my BIL who is a tax atty about this today, and he confirmed it.
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Talullahhound
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What should they give up?
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4/19/2011 8:06:33 PM
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I don't want them to "give up" anything, but I want them to be open to modifications. I think the basics of the plan are fine, but the devil is in the details.
What I don't want to see is another closed arm stand-off where there is no discussion at all, because no one will negotiate at all.
Ryan's plan is not set in stone as "the solution". It's a basis for discussion. I've read at least two critiques that said that his solution makes some assumptions that may or may not happen.
But, I don't want to debate this... I want those in DC to debate it.
We really need a leader.
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MartiniMan
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Wasn't looking for a debate
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4/20/2011 8:41:21 AM
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I was just interested in what you thought in the plan should be given up or even modified. I am sure it will be debated and discussed but how do you negotiate with someone like Obama when he invites you to a speech and then attacks you as being basically un-American which is what he did to Ryan.
I am more than convinced that Obama is not at all serious about cutting spending despite what he says. Just watch what he does. He is going to use the worn out Dem playbook about the GOP wanting to starve Grandma, blah, blah, blah. I really don't think and I really hope the American people don't fall for it this time.
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MAJ USA RET
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Wasn't looking for a debate
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4/20/2011 9:27:20 AM
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Everything needs to be on the table:
· Social Security
· Medicare
· Department of Defense (Cut the money back to 2008 and then stop telling them how to spend it.)
· Welfare
· “Department of Energy” (axe the whole failed department)
· “Department of Education” (axe the whole failed money hole)
· Corporation for Public Broadcasting (NPR)
· National Endowment for the Arts
· Department of Agriculture (especially non-family subsidies)
· Environmental Protection Agency (reign in this puppy!)
· NASA
· Department of the Interior (national parks should be pay-to-visit)
· United Nations (Defund and throw them out of the U.S.)
· Foreign Aid (especially USAID)
Aid to the states should be in block grants (without federal mandates other than accountability)
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Talullahhound
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Wasn't looking for a debate
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4/20/2011 11:53:12 AM
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I agree with you, everything needs to be on the table. and I think both sides need to be prepared negotiate on cuts.
I thought Obama's speech when he invited and then attacked the Republicans was stupid. He's supposed to be trying to bring people together. I guess he was ticked off, but there are better ways to handle it.
I guess the only things I would be reluctant to cut are programs involving children (i.e. AMERICAN children)in education and health care, and veterans, particularly disabled veterans. These are the only two groups I think deserve governmental support with organized programs.
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MartiniMan
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Wasn't looking for a debate
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4/20/2011 4:33:21 PM
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I actually don't think from a political standpoint that the speech was stupid. It was just a campaign speech meant to rev up his base which was wavering because of his having reneged on almost every campaign promise he made.
But I thought it was classless and crude to have invited Ryan just to attack him just like it was classless and crude to have attacked the Supreme Court at his state of the union show. What I don't get is why you think Obama can be a uniter? What has he ever done in his career that would suggest that? He is your run of the mill former community agitatin Saul Alinsky Chicagos-tyle politician. He was a complete charade from the get go that way too many people took a hope on change and got hopeless and change for the worse.
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Talullahhound
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Wasn't looking for a debate
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4/20/2011 4:40:53 PM
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He can be a "uniter" because he IS the PRESIDENT of the US. I think it goes with the job. He supposed to be the one that points out areas of common agreement and tries to rally them.
I didn't mean the speech was stupid, I thought it was a poor move to invite Ryan to insult and criticize him in public. Not a good Presidential move. Stupid was a poor choice of word on my part.
But according to a poll I saw this morning, people are equally unhappy with Obama and the Republican Congress, over the economy. Just about everyone I talk to is fed up with Washington on the whole. 2012 might be even more interesting than any of us think.
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were fed up with Bush and the direction the country was headed. They were upset with the housing mess, and were feeling war weary. They voted for Obama because they thought he would lead the country in a different direction. He has, but it's still not the way people think it should be going. Now most of the people that voted for him are unhappy with him, for good reason. I and others wanted transformation. So now I and others are just hoping for transition to something better.
My problem right now is that I don't see anyone on the horizon that I think will be a stronger leader and be disciplined and focused enough to lead us out of this downward slide. We may look back on this time at some point in the future and realize that we were living in the last days of the America we all grew up in.
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Summer Lover
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You are correct
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4/20/2011 5:14:30 PM
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We are WAY beyond being able to correct our current tack - and WE the people are to blame.
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MartiniMan
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Be more optimistic
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4/20/2011 6:12:20 PM
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We heard all this during the Jimmy Carter year's and no one predicted that Ronald Reagan would be, well, Ronald Reagan. Don't give up yet Hound, despite the assault on American exceptionalism we have survived and if we complete the change of course in 2012 we will look back at the Messiah years as a failed experiment in hope outstripping reality.
I am actually of the opinion that I could list 50 Republicans and probably 10 Dems that would be better than Obama in terms of leadership and understanding what this country needs at this important moment in time....and no, the Donald is not one of the 50.
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Talullahhound
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If the Donald...
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4/20/2011 7:36:53 PM
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could be less "Donald-like" and just shut up some, he's probably not as ridiculous a choice as we all think. The other day he said that he would not raise the debt ceiling and would stand up to the Chinese. These days, anyone without a political background is looking better.
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MrHodja
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Be more optimistic
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4/21/2011 2:15:30 PM
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And I'd be willing to bet Allen West is on that list.
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