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water_watcher
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This is interesting
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5/4/2011 9:21:00 PM
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Who is really in charge in the WH ... if this is true, it is down right scary.
http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/
Now take a look at Jarrett's bio ... also scary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Jarrett
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Packrat
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This is interesting
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5/5/2011 7:58:31 AM
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Wonder if the main stream media will pick up on this? Just kidding.
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Talullahhound
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This is interesting
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5/5/2011 8:18:41 AM
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I think the author, while maybe reporting what went on correctly (although it would be interesting to know his source), is misinterpreting the environment.
First of all, the main objective would be to create a environment to protect the President. So the fact that Leon Panetta created a program with himself as the focus tells me that he probably was thinking of how he could put a program in place without affecting the President if it it was leaked. He was leaving the President with deniability.
Of course the military would be in favor of the action and pressing forward. They want to destroy the enemy -- that's what they do.
Secondly, it's not unusual for a senior official to not take a definitive position while a course of action is being developed. It's also not unusual to include the person that has a different view to present the counter point. Actually, reading this made me feel pretty good about how this developed. Because this tells me that the President is getting more than just one view and is hearing the cons as well as the pros.
Obama is a policy wonk at heart. He's going to want to look at every side of the issue before he takes a position. He's not a person that operates on gut or emotion -- he's cooly objective. I think what is described here supports that characteristic.
From my limited experience, I think that what the author describes is more likely to be the norm and that's a good thing. This was a very serious situation with a lot of ramifications beyond the immediate operation.
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Summer Lover
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It is called being indecisive
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5/5/2011 9:34:27 AM
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Protect the President politically???? This idiot is CIC, what responsibilities are supposed to come with that title? I understand the potential problems with extracting someone from inside the borders of another country, but if that is the issue, just let the spooks do the job and deny everything.
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Talullahhound
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No, it's not called being Indecisive
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5/5/2011 4:12:33 PM
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There are a lot of situations where the Cabinet rallies to protect the President and give him plausible deniability. You don't put the boss out there to get his legs chopped off. This has been true of every Administration -- at all costs you protect the President or whatever Senior Official you are serving.
Yeah, sometimes they step in it anyway, but Rule One is Washington is protect the boss.
But don't take my word for it.
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architect
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No, it's not called being Indecisive
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5/5/2011 6:51:38 PM (updated 5/5/2011 6:55:29 PM)
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Hound, we all know when a Democrat does it it's "indecision" or "failure to lead"...when a Republicn does it it's "wise deliberation"or "cautious consideration".
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water_watcher
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No, it's not called being Indecisive
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5/5/2011 9:11:31 PM
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Kinda blows the whole ... give the guy credit thing .... now you can add this to the list of bad policy and other failures.
Can you find anything, just anything that he has accomplished that was good for the country that we can give him credit for? I thought OBL was the thing and was ready to give him the credit ... now I see Hillary had to take charge and Obama just acted like a whimp as always.
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Summer Lover
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Bzzz
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5/5/2011 11:03:38 PM
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Wrong answer Hans, I tick off both the Republicants and the Dumbacrats, because I believe in small Government and personal responsibility. So much for "the buck stops here" - apparently the only place it stops now is in our politician's wallets.
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architect
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No, it's not called being Indecisive
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5/5/2011 11:08:56 PM
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You are a pain!!!
1/ Osama is dead and Obama gave the order to go get him.
2/ Today GM announces 3.2 billion profit this quarter. If Obama hadn't "bailed them out" they would not be in
business today and tens of thousands more would be without jobs.
3/ "Obamacare" was passed. You don't like it but my neighbors down the street who have been able to keep two
kids just starting their careers on their policy do. They just hope it isn't taken away by the GOP. (BTW the male
half of the family voted for McCain and now regrets it and expects to be an Obama voter next year.)
4/ Obama has put new "regulations" on banks which at least stand a chance of preventing a new meltdown. Of
course the Repubs are trying to repeal or defund it. You know it must be good since the banks hate it so much.
5/ The employment rate has dropped from 10.1% at its peak to 8.8% and 1.5 million jobs have come back.
It's cerrtainly no boom but it sure beats the free fall of the last quarter of 2008.
6/ I traveled extensively in Europe in the fall of 2006 and the spring of 2008 and The American was, rightly or
wrongly, feared as a dangerous man and derided as a fool. When I traveled to Europe last year, the American
President was again respected by all we met. WW, I know you don't give two hoots in He// what the rest
of the world thinks about the US and her President, but others who are not idiots do!!
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water_watcher
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No, it's not called being Indecisive
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5/6/2011 7:23:12 AM
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who ... you are streching if you call bailouts using tax payer dollars for a badly run company, then giving away 30% to the union, an accomplishment. GM is not rebounding because of the bailout ... the filed bankruptcy and stuck it to their suppliers and forced hundreds of dealerships to close destroying personal businesses and thousands of jobs and communities. GM is doing better now due to the rebound in auto sales, not because of Obama wasting tax payers money. Ford didn't take a dime and in some respects they are being penalized and Obama created unfair competition.
I will give you OBL ... but it does appear Obama was the blocking it, rather than driving it ... but it was on his watch.
We are have the worst job recovery and growth ever after a recession ... that is Obama policies. So ask the 5 million long time unemployed ... more than double what it was when he took office and see if they feel he is creating jobs and good for the economy.
Look at oil prices ... oh those bad Bush days when you used to say Bush was in the oil companies back pocket. But Obama wants to focus on wind mills and stick it to the american people.
Your thinking is twisted.
I want everyone to have "access" to healthcare ... no I think it is wrong to add another trillion dollar government entitilement program and refuse to address the real problem ... illegals abusing our system. Obamacare make that problem worse and makes them "entitled" to free healthcare.
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MartiniMan
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No, it's not called being Indecisive
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5/6/2011 10:27:18 AM
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Archie: Some thoughts on your list of accomplishments.
1/ Osama is dead and Obama gave the order to go get him.
Agreed.
2/ Today GM announces 3.2 billion profit this quarter. If Obama hadn't "bailed them out" they would not be in
business today and tens of thousands more would be without jobs.
This is not only wrong it is silly. GM would not have gone out of business (i.e., Ch 7), They would have reorganized under Ch. 11 and may well have generated even more profit had they been free to rid themselves of their outrageous pension liability. But because Obama violated the rights of bondholders and gave away part of GM to the unions as reparations for their financial support of his campaign and future promises to support him GM is still saddled with the long-term and ridiculous cost of the unions. Strike that as an accomplisment.
3/ "Obamacare" was passed. You don't like it but my neighbors down the street who have been able to keep two
kids just starting their careers on their policy do. They just hope it isn't taken away by the GOP. (BTW the male
half of the family voted for McCain and now regrets it and expects to be an Obama voter next year.)
This is even sillier. First of all if this was an important consideration for them there are any number of states where they could get the same result and even more. Of course in those states health insurance is much costlier and finding care is getting much harder but hey, if thats what they want they can go get it. And maybe they ought to tell their kids to get a decent job that has insurance rather than asking all the rest of us to pay for them through higher premiums. So far the only result of Obamacare is higher premiums, more debt, etc. All negatives which is why a majority of Americans favor its repeal and that number is growing the more they learn and experience. And it cost him control of the House and will cost him control of the Senate in 2012. And it will add trillions to the deficit. So if you consider all these negatives an accomplishment then I guess I would agree with you. To me it is a disaster.
4/ Obama has put new "regulations" on banks which at least stand a chance of preventing a new meltdown. Of
course the Repubs are trying to repeal or defund it. You know it must be good since the banks hate it so much.
You need to do a little reading beyond your Moveon.org blast emails. The banking industry has been one of the most regulated in our country for decades. None of that prevented the financial meltdown and in fact it is well known and widely accepted (by intelligent people with the integrity to admit it) understanding that it was government distortion of the markets that caused the meltdown and not a lack of regulation. This is exactly the kind of "do something-accomplish nothing" legislation that makes idiots feel good but nothing more. Strike that as an accomplishment.
5/ The employment rate has dropped from 10.1% at its peak to 8.8% and 1.5 million jobs have come back.
It's cerrtainly no boom but it sure beats the free fall of the last quarter of 2008.
This has been the worst recovery since the Great Depression because of Obama's fecklessness. You act as if it is and accomplishment?!?!? And of course today's announcement that unemployment is up over 9% kind of guts your accomplishment. If we had sensible fiscal policy we would be below 8% today and moving lower. Strike that as an accomplishment.
6/ I traveled extensively in Europe in the fall of 2006 and the spring of 2008 and The American was, rightly or
wrongly, feared as a dangerous man and derided as a fool. When I traveled to Europe last year, the American
President was again respected by all we met. WW, I know you don't give two hoots in He// what the rest
of the world thinks about the US and her President, but others who are not idiots do!!
Agreed. If you consider the admiration of a continent that is headed toward fiscal and demographic destruction an accomplishment then I will give you that one. As for me, I could care less what a bunch of socialist, lazy Europeans that have been living fat and happy because we pay for their national defense (after we saved them from fascism) think about us. And anyone who does care about what the Europeans think about us has to explain to me why it is important. Why do you so slavishly pine for their admiration? I for one will not seek my validation from a continent that is so screwed up and has been for decades. I have more respect for myself and my country than that.
So Archie the only thing Obama has done right in over two years is order the whacking of OBL, or maybe more to the point eventually agreed with Panetta and Clinton to whack him. All the other so-called accomplishments have either done nothing to help the country, demonstrate his incompetence or are moving us toward fiscal ruin. Of course, if you hate America like the left wing nuts do you would of course like all these things.
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Jim Dandy
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GM
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5/6/2011 1:30:53 PM
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Never hurts to look a little deeper.....
General Motors Co. tripled its profit in the first quarter, helped by stronger demand but mostly because the auto maker made money off the sale of its stakes in two former subsidiaries.
Without those asset sales, GM's earnings disappointed investors and highlighted difficulties in its core North American operations and other units around the world.
GM's income rose to $3.2 billion, or $1.77 a share, from $865 million or 55 cents a share, lifted by $1.5 billion in gains on sale of holdings in Delphi Automotive LLP and Ally Financial. Without those gains, its earnings before interest and taxes rose 18% to $2 billion, and North American profit climbed just 8% to $1.3 billion, less than analysts had expected. Revenue increased 15%, to $36.2 billion, from $31.5 billion
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architect
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No, it's not called being Indecisive
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5/9/2011 7:10:49 PM
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MM and WW
Ain't America great...you can have and express your opinions and I can have and express mine!!! I hope it stays that way but frankly, I'm not sure some of those who share your opinions feel the same.
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