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Kizma Anuice
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APCO should police campers.
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6/19/2011 5:32:00 PM
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There seem to be more island campers this year and they are uglier than Wallyworld Shopper. And nastier.
Since APCO provides the attractive nuisance that brings them here, APCO should be responsible for cleaning up the mess and putting out the fires.
APCO could require that these douche bags buy permits and use that money to control the problem.
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Feb
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| Subject: |
APCO should police campers.
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6/19/2011 6:56:01 PM
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I don't know where folks got the idea private property was at their disposal. We have had this discussion on the Forum in the past. At the time, many other Forum members thought it was perfectly fine for campers to squat on private property.
I am not aware of ALPCO issuing permits for camping on their property. Maybe it should be posted and enforced. I bet Russell Lands does not allow such.
Is Wind Creek Park overfilled?
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| Name: |
HARRY
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APCO should police campers.
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6/20/2011 11:46:02 AM
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You are a piece of work. Or at least a piece of something.
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lakeguy
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APCO should police campers.
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6/20/2011 11:52:47 AM
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so, apco should be in charge of who can and can't come to the lake? best to think about that a little longer.
Be careful what you ask for.....
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bassplayer60
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APCO should police campers.
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6/20/2011 5:16:12 PM
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Kizma, you're a class act. -44 speakes volumes.
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| Subject: |
APCO should police campers.
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6/20/2011 5:18:13 PM (updated 6/20/2011 5:21:05 PM)
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I don't think the issue has to do with who can and can't come to the Lake. I believe the issue involves campers. It appears some (I suspect just a few) are camping on private property. I doubt there would be much said or any objections except for the abuse of their illegal activities.
Please remember there is camping available at Wind Creek State Park. I do not know if it is over packed with guest; therefore leaving no place for people to enjoy the Lake or not. I am sure Wind Creek manages the property and keeps it nice and sanitary. Is it over filled? Is it difficult to obtain a camping spot?
There just happens to be ALPCO property adjacent to my place. Thank goodness it is not used for camping or does it appear to be abused. There are others on the Forum who have complained in the past of camper abuse to adjacent property to their Lake Homes.
I ask you - where do we draw the line? I want everyone to have a good time and enjoy the Lake. On the other hand, I do not want our piece of paradise abused by the few.
It is a valid issue to discuss.
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Talullahhound
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Liability
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6/20/2011 6:30:10 PM
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I don't hear anyone mentioning the liability of camping on private property. One one hand, if the camper were injured on private property that was not a designated for camping, APCO could be liable and sued. On the same hand, if the camper injured the property (not an insignificant issue with it being so dry and the chance of starting a fire) and the camper, provided APCO could find them, would be liable.
While one would like to think that campers would be responsible for cleaning up after themselves, I'm sure any campground owner would tell you that this isn't always the case. I don't want our lake shorelines trashed up, do you? And I don't want them dumping their waste in our lake either.
I don't see where anyone is trying to exclude anyone from enjoying the lake, but I don't see anything wrong with limiting camping to designated campgrounds that have sanitary facilities and someone responsible to keep it cleaned up.
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| Name: |
Kizma Anuice
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APCO should police campers.
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6/20/2011 6:47:28 PM
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DOUCHE BAG WHY DON'T YOU IGNORE ME?
I DON'T WANT NOZZLES LIKE YOU READING MY POSTS
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| Name: |
Kizma Anuice
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APCO should police campers.
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6/20/2011 6:52:13 PM
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IF ALL YOU CAN DO IS CALL PEOPLE NAMES, WHY DON'T YOU IGNORE ME.
I CAN CALL YOU NAMES TO.
NO I CAN'T, I JUST FLUSHED YOU 15 MINUTES AGO
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| Name: |
250 SEL
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APCO should police campers.
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6/20/2011 8:25:36 PM
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-45 is that all you got
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Kizma Anuice
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PROUD OF THE-45
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6/20/2011 8:51:02 PM
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It is the highest on the forum. but I am having problems getting more than 4 people to ignore me.
BTW I know you. I won't flame you because I know you are a decent guy with a nice family.
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lamont
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Wow!
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6/20/2011 9:08:55 PM
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Hound, agree with your comments 100% but, must admit, this Kizma guy is a little over the edge. Just my humble opinion mind you.
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| Name: |
lamont
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Oh Yeah, forgot
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6/20/2011 9:14:25 PM
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Cap locks are your best friend Kizma.
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| Name: |
Kizma Anuice
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I'M SHOUTING
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6/20/2011 9:18:09 PM
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| Name: |
lamont
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YES YOU ARE
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6/20/2011 9:33:36 PM
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Kizma the reason you are not on ignore is that everybody enjoys a good train wreck, which you certainly are..... Congrats!
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250 SEL
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PROUD OF THE-45
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6/20/2011 10:24:47 PM
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Didn't I sell you a outboard ?
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Kizma Anuice
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PROUD OF THE-45
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6/20/2011 10:48:05 PM
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two
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lakeplumber
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uh, ...pardon me
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6/20/2011 10:59:08 PM
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an outboard, not a outboard.
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Kizma Anuice
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uh, ...pardon me
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6/20/2011 11:26:47 PM
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plumbers should only be concerned with three things:
HOT IS ON THE LEFT
COLD IS ON THE RIGHT
CRAP DON'T (DOESN'T) RUN UPHILL
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froghog
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uh, ...pardon me
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6/21/2011 6:21:31 AM
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Payday is on Friday and don't bite your fingernails.
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| Name: |
Kizma Anuice
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air and water are different than land.
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6/21/2011 6:56:48 AM
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the air and the water belong to everybody, more or less.
land belongs to the person in whom title is vested.
the proper governing authorities should determine who can come to the lake.
the property owners should determine who uses their property. the property owners however have an obligation to the rest of the community to make sure that they do not permit their property to become a nuisance to nearby property owners or the community at large.
I believe that it is improper use of ones property to permit others to make a filthy mess through littering crapping in the woods, pissing in the lake and setting campfires that stink and get out of control.
having said that there is a place for this type of behavior. WINDCREEK STATE PARK. problem is many of these filth mongers can't stand to be around their own kind.
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Spot Remover
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APCO should police campers.
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6/21/2011 11:46:04 AM
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Let's see now. No one should go into the woods to use the bathroom. No one should pee in the lake. Only people we approve of should use the lake.
Camping on power company land should be stopped. (Even though lots of people have done it for many, many years, and lots in the same places.) An old adage might come into play; "A small percentage ruin it for all."
I agree, that the litterers should be nailed. Just think of all of the people that are penalized.
Camping at Wind Creek? Heck, might as well be camping at Jordan Hare on game day. Nothing like the great outdoors with a brazillion of your closest friends.
Worried about the water quality? Consider the dam geese as the biggest culprit. Maybe "our lake" folks (of those that do) should stop feeding the bacteria spreading, nasty-azzed geese.
Just because you own property and are from Atlanta or other metros you don't have the right to mandate your screwed up ideas. Heck, half of the people posting know about as much about the outdoors as Pee Wee Herman.
Get a clue. Most folks don't want to hear these ideas, because they come from someone who "came down here to save us all." We've been fine since 1929.
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| Name: |
lamont
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| Subject: |
Wow Spot...
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6/21/2011 12:19:00 PM
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Tell us how You really feel.
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Spot Remover
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Wow Spot...
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6/21/2011 12:31:49 PM
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Ha, ha. That's pretty close. I did throttle back a little.
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DaBurglar
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Land set on fire
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6/21/2011 1:08:03 PM
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I live on Shady Point and a few years back we continued to notice a small boat going onto land and staying over night. One day while out boating I went over and looked and it was incredible how much trash he had just tossed all over the area. One day I noticed him leaving faster than normal and there was smoke coming up so, I went over and the land was on fire... I had a 5 gallon bucket with me and put everything out, took his tarp down and used it to hold all his trash and I left.. A few days later the fire started back up and caught a tree on fire.. I put it out.. I few days later it caught fire again.. (meanwhile he never came back) ... I called the fire department and they had to go down sturdivant and cross the little bridge and over.. It was to far to get a firetruck down so they used backpacks with water to put it out..
I just wish he would come back again this year...
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Wow Spot...
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6/21/2011 1:43:41 PM (updated 6/21/2011 1:47:12 PM)
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Well, I didn't come from Atlanta Spot Remover, but the rest of your statement comes close to nailing me. I worked hard for a lot of years, saved my money and bought property on the Lake. I now live here full time.
Oh yes, I did a little camping in my life. The U.S. Army made sure I got plenty of camping experience. How about at least a year of it sleeping on the ground in Nam. This is not to mention all the other field exercises and training. How about the dead of Winter in Germany on a REFORGER exercise or in Kansas while serving with the Big Red One. I hope to never have to sleep in a tent or on the ground ever again.
So, I see you must be one of those who believes what belongs to me or others also belongs to you. You don't see a problem with squatting on private property. ???
Sorry to inform you Spot, times have and are changing. The world is changing whether it is for the better or the worse. I used to carry a pocket knife to elemetary school. I don't think you will find this today in a lot of High Schools. I do think things have changed significantly since 1926 or 1929 as you mentioned on the Lake. Your way of thinking is lost in a time warp.
Who has the rights? Is it the property owner or the free loader? I keep asking the question and have not received an answer. Is Wind Creek Park as crowded as you seem to indicate? I don't know since I no longer pitch tents. I believe public parks are now the compromise to allow non-property owner's the right to share the same experiences as those who have shelled out a significant part of their life's work to become a property owner.
I have trouble understanding your distain for our hard earned rights. I remember hearing a police officer asking a car theif why he stole a nice Nissan 300ZX. The thiefs answer was I didn't have the money for one, and I deserved to have one. So, please explain to me why those without have the same rights as those who have sacrificed and earned what they own.
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Kizma Anuice
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Spot should have
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6/21/2011 2:03:33 PM
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spent more time in school and less time camping on other peoples property.
Your arguments are stupid red-neck drop out garbage.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I POST IGNORE ME NOZZLE.
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Old Crappie
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Wow Spot...
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6/21/2011 2:11:53 PM
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Back when I was a kid, I remember camping out on the end of Dead Timbers. My Dad couldn't afford a boat so we didn't do any island camping. There were absolutly no houses in the area and we saw very few other people. Those were some of my fondest memories. Now you can't spit for the people, cabins, condos, jet skis,etc. I've just recently bought a place on the lake and I am looking forward to all the experience you can have - some bad -more good. Let the not so wealthy and college kids camp on the islands and enjoy in their way. In forty years they haven't trashed the lake more than Mother Nature did a couple of months ago.
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| Name: |
lamont
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Amen and Amen- NT
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6/21/2011 2:18:07 PM
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Spot Remover
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Wow Spot...
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6/21/2011 2:21:15 PM
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Thanks for your service to our country.
Also, note the Declaration of Independence. Something about "All men, etc.
Trashing, I addressed in my original post. Illegal, should be prosecuted, if caught.
I believe I said "nailed."
Squatting on private land? I pull my boat up to beaches and relax. I'm on private property. Don't litter, but your explanation makes it sound like I'm illegal.
Come back with a valid argument.
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Spot Remover
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Spot should have
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6/21/2011 2:24:36 PM
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Could you be a little clearer KA? Not sure about the last part. No, not the nozzle.
As for schooling, I had plenty counting the 3 years in the 6th grade.
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CAT BOAT
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Wow Spot...
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6/21/2011 2:46:33 PM
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Das' what I'm talkin' about.
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250 SEL
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KA
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6/21/2011 2:48:03 PM
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I have a 1954 Johnson are you interested ? Also I came by your house last weekend looked like nobody home...
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Wow Spot...
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6/21/2011 4:29:52 PM (updated 6/21/2011 4:35:59 PM)
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At least you and I can discuss it in a civil manner whether we agree or not.
Yes, all men (to include the female gender) are created equal, The question becomes what do they do with it after the creation part?
I can appreciate some of your points even if I am not in total agreement. I must not be doing too good of a job commnunicating since you do not seem to comprehend my side of the argument. It is my responsibility as the writer to get my point across. I even tried to provide examples. Oh well~
Unless the property is posted, I do not believe you or anyone else is under any threat of prosecution for simply taking a walk or resting on various uninhabited places on the Lake.
I am not sure I put camping in the same category. I guess we can disagree on where he line should be drawn; although my view does not matter since it is not my property.
I would say the owner of the property (in this case ALPCO) does have the right to post or enforce their ownership rights. Currently they do not appear to be concerned.
This is my view on the issue, and I know from past experience on the Forum there are going to be others like yourself who have a differing view point. Opinions and view points are also not posted or illegal; therefore we are within our rights to have our own.
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bassplayer60
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Spot should have
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6/21/2011 4:55:57 PM
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Dang Kizma, you dropped 7 points just on this one thread. Too funny.
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