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Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Obama recession
Date:	8/19/2011 6:00:39 PM

By the look of things, we will be entering the Obama recession. I will bet you will not hear years of excuses from his successor. It will just be good to get that disaster out of office. I love the name O'Blamer since every speach he gives he takes no responsibility for his lack of results, the debt downgrade, that he never passed a budget, that if he cared about the deficit and really had a plan he would have proposed one and actually passed it when he slammed all his spending through congress and down the throats of the american people.

So I wonder when the press will start pointing out the net job losses under Obama. November 2012 can not come quick enough ... I think we have had enough of his hopeless change and lack of leadership. Plus if I hear him give one more speach that it is everyone elses fault that the economy is in the tank and getting worse, and that unemployment is growing.

Name:	Barneget -	Reply
Subject:	Obama recession
Date:	8/19/2011 7:26:22 PM

November 2012 is within sight. I am willing to bet that as soon as polls indicate oblamer is headed for the unemployment line, companies, small and large, will move forward with their own economic stimulus plans. Their forward movement will be based on the expectation that oblamer care will be repealed, the NLRB and DoLabor regs will be reversed, EPA co2 regs rescinded, DoddFrank revised or repealed, border security assured, ADA rewritten, pending FMLA revisions halted, USDA payments to people who thought about growing potted plants stopped, and reducing the 99 week UI benefit to 26. At the risk of sounding like oblamer with his class warfare bu11$hit, the only folks that will be unhappy are the parasites. Untehered, unchained producers will again willingly produce. Now,should the polls forecast the tragic result of another 4 years, don't waste a minute, buy or reload, and build your inventory of water and mre's because it will get really ugly.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Obama recession
Date:	8/20/2011 10:09:54 PM

I hope you are right.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Why "Obama" recession?
Date:	8/21/2011 2:50:23 PM

The world economy is in recession, so why refer to it as "Obama's" recession. Heard some very thoughtful comments by a former Bush appointee who is an economist. He said to the effect that if anything that is currently being touted as the "solution", it would have already been implemented and employed. According to him, the fact is that they need a new solution -- so all this finger pointing and arguing about the known is pointless waste of energy. We need a new idea. When I thought about it, it made a lot of sense.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Why "Obama" recession?
Date:	8/21/2011 4:12:28 PM

He is in charge and is responsible for fixing it, but he has failed miserably. His lack of leadership has surprised me. I thought there had to be a light on somewhere in his brain, but his actions demonstrate his elevator doesn't go all the way to the top floor.

I would think that one simple move would help a lot....give tax incentives for adding new jobs, not tax penalties. For instance, the magic number of 50 employees that I have heard will cause the employer to have to spend much more on health care. Where is the incentive for the employer to hire that 50th employee? Rescinding that provision might help.

BTW, did you ever make it to Ham on High?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Why "Obama" recession?
Date:	8/21/2011 6:03:47 PM

Hound, I think the point is that after 2 1/2 years it looks like we are heading into a double dip. This is because of the fecklessness of the Obama administration. Read the book The Forgotten Man which documents nicely how FDR's actions caused the depression to deepen into a great depression. Obama is following in FDR's footsteps and he is leading us into a double dip recession.

And while he will try to be Oblama and try to stick everyone else the fact is for the first two years of his administration he had complete control of the House and Senate and rather than doing what was needed he wasted it on Obamacare, the porkulus, letting EPA run amuck, etc. This is his recession plain and simple.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Why "Obama" recession?
Date:	8/21/2011 8:12:58 PM

Not yet. We ended up at the Bonefish Grill instead. It's on my list of places to try.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Why "Obama" recession?
Date:	8/21/2011 8:15:42 PM

Sorry MM, I'm not buying it. Surely you can't blame Obama for the state of the World Economy. I think it is way more complicated than that. We seem to be in a global contraction.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Why "Obama" recession?
Date:	8/21/2011 9:20:43 PM

Bonefish is pretty good, but every time I leave there I wonder "how did the bill get so high?"

Name:	Barneget -	Reply
Subject:	Why "Obama" recession?
Date:	8/21/2011 9:27:13 PM (updated 8/21/2011 9:34:21 PM)

oblamers 2012 campaign strategy centers on class warfare. Doing the right thing, as you mention tax incentives for hiring would effectively cut out one of the three legs on the stool. Many in the "idiocracy" that enabled him to occupy the White House, you know, the " independants" who failed to properly vet their anti-Bush vote are seeing the light. They have turned away from the opinions forward by the macro economist pundits. The financial world, business and consumer, is based on the science of micro economics. Only government operates on the theories of macro as government has unlimited supplies of cash. Only government believes they can ease the pain by greater involvement in the economic cycle. Direct government involvement in the capitalist economy is unnatural. Only government has failed to learn, after repeated attempts, that the more involved government is at ANY stage in the natural economic cycle, the longer the requisite cleansing takes. Tax breaks for hiring may produce the desired results, but I don't see it. Business outside of the Fortune 500 are still dealing with tremendous regulatory uncertainty, and the forecast expense associated with the regulations advanced by the current administration, whether EPA, D of Labor, NLRB, USDA, EEOC and the rest of the alphabet, each and all with the implementation of oblamer care pending. Here is a good one, kind of surprised it hasn't been shared by our resident restaurant expert. Then again, not so much, but it would make a great case study for an MBA candidate. A large, family owned restaurant in South Carolina was just fined $27,000 by the EEOC because a replacement mirror in the men's room was installed ONE INCH above the ADA regs issued late last year. It did comply with the old standard but our dc talent pool decided the mirror height standard needed revision. An obscure freaking inch. Businesses suffer, that family suffers, the local economy suffers, hiring suffers, but that agency, and others like it, stands tall, and proud. Perhaps oblamer was unaware of the inch rule he modified, perhaps oblamer is unaware of the co2 standards forwarded by his EPA, he may even be unaware of the fast track elections proposed by his NLRB, or the union rights posting requirement forwarded by his Labor Sec, or the pending USDA regs on fertilizer and cides, but they are his responsibility, they are each and all having a negative effect on any recovery, and I plan to hold him accountable next November. I am wondering if my posts here are responsible for my latest " further review".

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Why "Obama" recession?
Date:	8/21/2011 9:41:50 PM

Of course you wouldn't buy it. For the previous 8 years you were telling us everything was Bush's fault but now that your beloved Messiah is President it is everyone else's fault and he can't. Good to have the chief apologist for the Teleprompter in Chief Barack Hussein Oblamer is back.

Its also good to know we have the great fortune to have one of the 21% of Independents that think he is not a complete failure. How lucky us.........

Name:	Barneget -	Reply
Subject:	There it is.
Date:	8/22/2011 7:28:59 AM

The velvet glove. It warms my two sizes too small heart each and every time you use it. Thank you.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	And besides...
Date:	8/22/2011 8:11:17 AM

Its not a worldwide recession. In fact its not even a national recession as there are a number of states with fiscally conservative governance that are doing just fine (ala Texas). The recession is primarily in the U.S. and Europe. What a surprise since we have a continent trying to unravel decades of socialism (paid for by the U.S.) while at the same time Oblamer and the Dem-led Congress are lurching towards socialism. Ergo, our economy sucks and we have European-style unemployment. Well duh! It was exactly what I predicted a long time ago when Obama focused on his anti-business rhetoric and policies. And I would point out that rather than you commenting on the similarities between Obama and FDR and the similar results you "just don't buy it". Well if I were as ignorant of history as you I would probably not buy it either. Fortunately I read history books and don't rely on government schools and government media to inform myself.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Why "Obama" recession?
Date:	8/22/2011 8:12:15 AM

I'm not an Obama apologist. But it seems to me when the global economy is tanking that is a bit disingenuous to blame one man. It happened on his watch, yes; but what is happening now has been many years in the making. And I'll thank you to remember that I voted for Bush twice.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	And besides...
Date:	8/22/2011 8:15:16 AM

You just keep on believing that if it makes you feel better. There was a great article about Perry's big success in Texas in the NYT yesterday. Seems that much of his Miracle came about by and through the government. But, then I know you don't read the NYT. You stick to those publications which support your world view.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	And besides...
Date:	8/22/2011 8:28:23 AM

Have you read the numerous articles that debunked the slanted coverage of the incredible jobs success in Texas? And you accuse me of only reading what agrees with my point of view. Pot....meet kettle. The article was so flawed in its analysis that it makes Paul Krugman actually look good and that is quite a task. But you believe it if you want. The proof is in the numbers and on that measure Oblamer is a complete, abject failure......unless of course his goal was to destroy America in which case he has been a spectacular success. And in case you haven't noticed, the NYT has been doing a credible job debunking the miserable failure of Oblamer's green jobs initiative. Proves that even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then. You see Hound, regardless of your wishing it wasn't so, the President gets the blame for the economy. That is just the way it works and you just need to get used to the idea. If the economy dramatically improves Oblamer will get the credit and will be reelected. If not and the GOP puts forward a credible candidate he will lose.......big....... Just remember, black unemployment is almost 17% and closer to 50% under the age of 25. Makes one wonder how energized these poor people will be in 2012......I suspect not very unless team Oblamer goes the racism route. Make a note Hound, if Oblamer is still at ~40% approval at election time and internal polls show a problem they will go nuclear and claim a vote for the GOP is only because of racism.....mark my words....

Name:	Barneget -	Reply
Subject:	Hound, reflect on this please....
Date:	8/22/2011 8:36:47 AM (updated 8/22/2011 8:38:05 AM)

Last weeks analysis by the Dallas Fed Reserve chief. With facts and supporting data. Stands in direct contrast to the NYT opinions.

URL: Dallas Fed speech 08172011

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	See my response below
Date:	8/22/2011 9:51:13 AM

It is not a global recession. It is a recession in Europe and the U.S. And more than likely we are dragging Europe down much more than they are dragging us down. But you are most certainly an apologist for Oblamer. See definition of apologist and help me understand why the term doesn't fit you to a tee. Apologist. A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Don't confuse her with facts
Date:	8/22/2011 10:32:41 AM

She has found the article that she wants to believe and all other perspectives are invalid or biased. Remember, to most people like Hound the NY Times is middle of the road and unbiased. That much of what they write can't even be trusted is beside the point.... An interesting side note, my company has offices all over the country. The only state where we cannot find current residents to work for us and have to transfer them from other areas of the country is Texas.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Hound, reflect on this please....
Date:	8/22/2011 11:29:02 AM

Yes, I see what you are saying, but the creation of jobs by the private sector is only marginally higher than those in Texas government. Additionally, how many of those jobs in the private sector are directly the result of subsidies paid to the gas/oil industries? So while the numbers, I agree, are compelling at face value, I remain skeptical. Also since Texas is the largest state, are these numbers adjusted for a larger population?

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Don't confuse her with facts
Date:	8/22/2011 11:35:00 AM

why do you continue to blather on? You have no idea what I read or don't read. Do you not agree that Japan's economy is in the tank? And we already know we can't know the truth about China, given the way that they manipulate their currency and productivity. World wide demand is down. So other countries may not be in an "official" recession, but the world economy is down. Now, I haven't checked Africa and the Middle East, so maybe I haven't checked all the facts.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Don't confuse her with facts
Date:	8/22/2011 12:17:46 PM

Had you read the piece from the Dallas Fed or just the slanted news in the NY Times? Had you read the piece in the Wall Street Journal that debunked the nonsense in the NY Times? Had you read any of the twenty pieces in various websites that disagreed with the analysis in the NY Times? If you did you certainly didn't mention anything but the NY Times. Given your acceptance of that flawed piece of alleged journalism from the NT Times I think it is safe to assume I know what you haven't read. And you call that blathering?!?!? As for Japan, their economy has been struggling for the last decade, in case you had not noticed. And they are such an export-reliant economy because of all their internal controls on trade that they are adversely and disproportionately impacted by our economic woes. Facts are facts, we are headed to a double dip recession and Oblamer is cause. Read the book I suggested and I would welcome your analysis. Until then you are speaking from a position of historical ignorance.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Hound, reflect on this please....
Date:	8/22/2011 12:23:12 PM

Hound, probably the best way to normalize these results is to compare them with equally large states that approach business completely differently like California or New York. You will see just how dramatic the results are in Texas when you compare to their peers in terms of size, population, etc. Both of these states are so much worse off than Texas. California is probably the best one to compare and contrast because they have similar issues with immigration and illegals. When you compare the results of job creation and economic growth in Texas, particularly in light of the overall economic conditions in the country and when compared to peers like California you should be impressed. Whether all credit goes to the governor is open to debate but the results are not.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	So I take it
Date:	8/22/2011 3:42:52 PM

Rick Perry will be your candidate of choice.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Not so fast.....
Date:	8/22/2011 5:05:26 PM

As yet I am undecided although I can tell you who will not be my choice and it will be mostly based on who I think can beat Oblamer rather than some purity test. None of the candidates are perfect but some are less perfect than others. Palin (I like her but we don't need a repeat of 2008 and she could do so much more as a non-candidate), Santorum (who I like but can't get my arms around), Huntsman (I don't even know why he is there), Cain (who I like and admire but he is too inexperienced), Paul (he is a nut) and Newt ( a great debater and has lots of good ideas but too polarizing). I am still open minded about Romney, Bachman and Perry. But I also think there are a couple of viable candidates on the fringes like Paul Ryan that may jump in that I would consider. I think, or maybe I hope, that GOP primary voters will be pragmatic and go for who they think can win rather than what happened in 2008 where the frontrunners cannibalized each other and left the way open for McCain.......who I still believe would be better than the Messiah but that is setting a low bar for performance. Question for you, are there any in the hunt that you would consider? I know Bachman is out but what about Romney or Perry? Romney has to be closer to you on social issues than me but I worry about his ability to carry the jobs message which I think (unless things change for the better very soon) will be the seminal issue. Perry I know may be too socially conservative but if you came to believe he had better ideas on the economy would you be able to put that aside?

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Not so fast.....
Date:	8/22/2011 8:29:38 PM

I can honestly say that no one in the current pool is exciting me. Mitt Romney is a no-go for me, as is Bachman. If I were forced to pick one from the current pool it would probably be Perry, but with many reservations. I am anxious to see how they flesh out there positions as time goes on. Anyone waving a Bible or quoting the Bible to me is not getting my vote (not because I have anything against the Bible, but I have always felt that religion is a deeply personal thing and not something to be bartered for votes) And of course, there are still a few dark horses out there who may still jump in.

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