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MartiniMan
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Oh those racist Tea Partiers
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9/25/2011 9:25:31 AM
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Picked Herman Cain in the Florida Straw Poll.........for those of you that get your news from pMSNBC, the networks and the government media Herman is black. Cain's total was more than Perry and Romney combined. And as I predicted this confirms that Michelle Bachmann will not be the nominee so GF and Hound, you can put the long knives away. America is safe from a woman President.
However, any...and I mean ANY.. criticism of Herman Cain and we will call you out as a racist so watch out......I don't want you dissing Herman you racists (thanks to the poverty pimps, NAALCP, CBC and Morgan Freeman for that one).
And no I don't think Herman will be the nominee but it seems like his focus on smaller government, reform of the tax code and his experience in the private sector creating jobs have resonated with Republicans. I think they will also resonate with Independents that took a hope on change and got Hopeless and Change for the Worse. And now the Man-Child is calling out to his brothers to march with him......MLK he isn't.....
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4691
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Oh those racist Tea Partiers
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9/25/2011 10:01:15 AM
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Careful. Just because Herman Cain, a successful black businessman, supports the Tea Party movement to bring fiscal sanity to the federal government, it does not mean that Hound and a couple others on this forum will reverse their position that the Tea Party people are stupid. Freeman, Jackson, Sharpton, and a long list of other intelligent people, have made it quite clear that any group that promotes personal responsibility and accountability is by definition racist.
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water_watcher
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Oh those racist Tea Partiers
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9/25/2011 1:51:53 PM
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I like Cain and was glad to see him win. Whether it was him or a protest vote as the media is saying. Personally, his 999 plan has a lot of merit.
That being said, I doubt he will be the nominee. I had thought Romney was positioning himself as the clear front runner, but he had a blunder saying that he can think of reasons not to vote for him. If he was the nominee, ads would run over and over with him saying that.
I now think Christie will run and be the nominee ... he will get Hounds vote, she already said that.
He is a straight shooter and appeals to both sides even though he is a strong fiscal conservative.
The unions hate him, but they hate anyone that does not cave to their bully tatics.
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Talullahhound
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Oh those racist Tea Partiers
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9/25/2011 11:02:17 PM
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Some show I was watching this morning pointed out that he has repeatedly stated that he will not run, but he always takes the call.... Hopefully his health would allow him to make the run. Wasn't he hospitalized in the last 2 months or so?
I don't agree with all his ideas, but at least he has ideas and he's not afraid to say what he thinks. Maybe he appeals to my inner Jersey girl.
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MrHodja
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Oh those racist Tea Partiers
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9/25/2011 11:33:12 PM
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Just out of curiosity, of the declared candidates (elephant and donkey), who would you vote for if the election were to be held in the next 30 picoseconds?
You are an independent thinker and I would value your frank comments on the subject. I think I know who I would vote for (NOT Oblamer) but am interested in an independent's view.
From Norfolk, VA, the armpit of America,
Nasreddin Hodja
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Talullahhound
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9/26/2011 8:44:13 AM
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That's a hard question. If I absolutely had to vote today, I guess it would be Romney, but I'd do so with reservations. Rick Perry turns me off. You know how I feel about Michele Bachman. With the others, I still don't feel like I have a good sense of what kind of President they would be. The problem I have with Romney is that I don't see him as more than a one-termer. I have questions about the strength he would bring to the job.
I guess I'm still hoping for that dark horse candidate, who hasn't jumped in yet.
Agree with you about Norfolk.
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widgethater
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Oh those racist Tea Partiers
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9/26/2011 2:58:11 PM
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I truely believe that Newt is the MOST qualified and would make the best POTUS
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MrHodja
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9/26/2011 6:30:03 PM
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He may be really smart, but so was Jimmy Carter. I am not suggesting we compare the two other than it takes more than smarts to be effective. Look at Reagan...nobody ever accused him of being an intellectual, but he was effective.
As of this point, I will vote for Herman Cain because he makes the most sense. Were he to be elected, he too would have trouble being effective because there are just too many in influential positions in DC who are worshipers of "the DC way". Doesn't matter if his suggestions make sense - if those suggestions step on establishment toes they will be stonewalled.
And Herman Cain is a black man who succeeded on merit, rather than quotas. How about a Cain-West Republican ticket!!
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Talullahhound
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Oh those racist Tea Partiers
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9/26/2011 6:40:59 PM
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I was reading a bit about Cain's 9/9/9 plan. Don't know if I can support a 9% national sales tax, but it's an interesting thought. At least he has a specific plan and that's more than others seem to have.
It may be a bit much to conclude that all of his success was due to merit. Saw a lot of pushes for minorities (and women) in years gone by, but a lot of time it is what a person does with their opportunities, not how they happened to have them.
He's an interesting candidate, to be sure.
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water_watcher
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Oh those racist Tea Partiers
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9/26/2011 8:23:28 PM
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999 broadens the base ... for individuals still working it is a trade off, but in most cases a positive one ... but then when you reduce corporate taxes down to a flat 9% ... that will definitely promote growth and employment ... as well as potentially reduces prices. We are the ones that really pay that 30% corporate tax in the price of goods.
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buzzbuster
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Oh those racist Tea Partiers
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9/26/2011 9:34:30 PM
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I have to agree with Widgethater about Newt at least with who is running at the moment. He is not just smart he knows more about foeign policy, is a historian, a thinker ,and has been around awhile. he's not afraid to tell it like it is and many will not like him for that while many will like it very much. Running mate -- possibly Cain, Rubio, who knows but will be interesting either way.
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MartiniMan
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My concerns about Cain's 999 Plan
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9/27/2011 8:16:51 AM
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Here is my one concern about his plan and it is a big. Currently we have the other two taxes but not a national sales tax. As we have seen with every new tax ever created, it starts small and begins to grow. What do you think we would have if we repeated Obama's first two years when Dems also controlled Congress? 9/9/9 would become 35/70/20 and it would destroy our economy. The only way I would support a national sales tax is if it totally replaces the entire tax code and they eliminate all other income taxes or there was a constitutional amendment that forbid the total of the 3 taxes to exceed 27% (the latter being next to impossible). Dems just can't be trusted with a new source of tax revenue.
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Talullahhound
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My concerns about Cain's 999 Plan
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9/27/2011 9:35:59 AM
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Umm, I don't think it is just democrats that you have to fear. Republicans have been known to be pretty free spenders too --just not on the same things. Obama may have added to the deficit but he didn't create it. GWB did a pretty fair job too.
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Talullahhound
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9/27/2011 9:38:19 AM
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Newt was a disaster as Speaker of the House. It is not a matter of his being smart or not, it is a matter of him lacking in leadership skills. Newt is policy wonk at heart, just like Obama. Their perspectives are very different, but they tend to over analyze and ignore ground truths.
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au67
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My concerns about Cain's 999 Plan
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9/27/2011 7:39:47 PM
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I believe Obama has added more to the deficit than any president in history. Quit trying to blame George Bush for the fact that Obama is an absolutely awful president.
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MrHodja
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9/27/2011 9:32:08 PM
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Numbers don't lie. Look at the deficit when Bush left office and Obama came in. Look at the deficit numbers now. It is obvious where the lion's share of the blame lies. We don't deny history, but for goodness' sake be realistic.
And the really sad thing is the zeal with which Obama and the Dems fight for the unrealistic, unsustainable, and irresponsible levels of deficit spending.
Norfolk hasn't gotten any better......:>(
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Talullahhound
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9/28/2011 7:55:51 AM
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If you read what I wrote, I DID NOT say that Obama did not ADD to the debt. I merely POINTED OUT that GWB also added to the debt. Do you think that two wars did not add to the debt. But, my real point is that Democrats are not the only spenders. Republicans do a pretty good job too, but they just spend on different things and in different ways.
I think some people have developed tunnel vision.
Sorry Norfolk hasn't improved. I haven't been there in a long time, but I suspected it hadn't gotten better.
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MartiniMan
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My concerns about Cain's 999 Plan
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9/28/2011 9:21:18 AM
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I agree with your point about Republicans which is why we need to elect fiscally conservative Republicans. But as we have seen with the current administration, Democrats with full control make even the most profligate GOP spender look like a mere piker.
But we are not talking about spending here (does this qualify as you hijacking????). We are talking about my concerns with the 999 tax reform that Herman Cain has proposed. Is it possible that a misguided Republican could support increasing 999 to what I fear? Absolutely.....and if they did they would be punished like GHWB was. But as we have seen with Oblamer's latest proposal it is a 100% certainty that Democrats would. Hence my fear of adding a national sales tax without eliminating the others.
Rather than shifting the discussion to whether Republicans would also not be trusted do you agree or disagree with my concern?
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Talullahhound
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My concerns about Cain's 999 Plan
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9/28/2011 9:45:36 AM
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I think your basic concern is valid. We agree.
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MartiniMan
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My concerns about Cain's 999 Plan
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9/28/2011 12:52:42 PM
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Just to be clear, I don't disagree with your statement about some in the GOP but there is no doubt in my mind that it is historically accurate to say that they are the lesser of two evils when it comes to federal spending. Not good by any means.......just incrementally better. Must be something in the water in DC.
I would love to hear other suggestions about how we could realistically implement some form of Cain's plan without the moral hazard that gives me so much angst. If I get the chance to talk to Herman Cain I am going to raise this issue with him. He really needs to think that through if he ever gets the chance to implement this plan.
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MrHodja
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My concerns about Cain's 999 Plan
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9/28/2011 3:51:37 PM
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If you read what I wrote, you would have seen that I am saying the RELATIVE amounts of debt increase are much greater under Obama. Its like comparing stealing cookies from the cookie jar (Bush/Repubs, and even a lot of that was the Dem Congress) with stealing all the gold from Fort Knox.(Obama the Spender with his cronies in Congress...at least until Scott Brown and the 2010 mid-terms).
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