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water_watcher
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/21/2011 8:43:59 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAl_13DtQ1w
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MrHodja
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/21/2011 8:59:25 PM
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Bravo.
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Talullahhound
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/21/2011 9:09:19 PM
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Obama is not destroying our country. We are destroying it ourselves.
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MrHodja
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/21/2011 9:15:56 PM
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YGTBSM. He is using the power of the presidency to do all kinds of things detrimental to this country. And by voting for him you are partially responsible - and what is more incredulous is that you say you'd do it again. So in a way you are right. We (meaning you) are facilitating this egregiouis attack on the principles that have made us strong and thus helping to destroy the country.
And if you need it I suggest acronymfinder.com.
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Talullahhound
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/21/2011 10:16:42 PM
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Don't need it.
Sorry, I don't agree with you. We are becoming a polarized nation of extremes. So everyone can be "right" while the country goes down the drain. Our country is built on compromise, and a willingness to get the job done. Show me where that is happening.
Vote for Obama again? I may. There isn't a single candidate running that I feel inspires any kind of confidence. Or I may just sit this one out.
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Barneget
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/21/2011 10:54:46 PM
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This nation was built, not on compromise, but principle. Now, I wasn't witness to the events, but I understand the Founding Fathers did not compromise with King George.
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buzzbuster
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/22/2011 12:10:03 AM
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I would vote for anyone over the current occupier of the white house and I would welcome you sitting this one out over voting for the current failure that is killing this country as we know or knew it to be. We need someone (anyone) that can run this country and not give in to everything that is killing us just to satisfy his crowny's.
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Talullahhound
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/22/2011 8:15:23 AM
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and who of the current crop of candidates do you think is capable of doing that?Specifically, what have you heard from the mouths of the candidates that leads you to believe that any of them can lead us out of the mess we are in?
It's the kind of thinking -- "anybody but Obama" that will get us further in the hole.
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Barneget
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On the contrary
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11/22/2011 9:09:36 AM (updated 11/22/2011 9:10:32 AM)
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It is the 2006/2008 thinking " anybody but a Republican" vote that has kept us in the economic and financial hole a full 2 years longer than every recession since 1858, except the last socialist driven depression of the 1930's.
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water_watcher
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/22/2011 6:54:28 PM
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Hound ... any of them would do a better job than Obama. All Obama has demonstrated is he wants his socialist agenda of more entitlements and higher taxes to redistribute wealth, rather than focusing on the real need of helping business create jobs ... instead he is at war with business and continues to do things like ban drilling that destroys jobs.
So anyone of them will change that course and get the country moving again.
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MrHodja
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/22/2011 7:15:49 PM (updated 11/22/2011 7:22:45 PM)
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For the life of me I don't understand your continuing support of the messiah's abject failure. ALL of the Republican candidates have demonstrated more success than your darling Obama had before the country bought into his "hope and change" - the biggest scam in our country's history.
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buzzbuster
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/22/2011 8:28:54 PM
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Since I have to choose from the field at hand, I will start with the one I have said from the start -- Newt, Romney, Perry, Cain, Huntsman, Bachmann, Paul, and Santorum. I don't think you understand that I would take anyone over the FAILURE in place at present time. Let me say it again ANYONE !
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Talullahhound
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/22/2011 9:58:19 PM
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None of the candidates have any outstanding accomplishments -- certainly not any more than Obama.
I have said it before and will repeat it now -- electing any one of these people will not improve the economy or go anywhere near solving the problems facing this country.
We don't need to debate it now --as we will not agree. But, if one of them is elected, we'll talk about it after they are in office for a year. I would adore being wrong, but I don't think I am.
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MrHodja
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/22/2011 10:00:30 PM (updated 11/22/2011 10:04:26 PM)
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Incredible. I'm wondering if you and your like aren't maybe a big part of our problem. When did common sense stop making sense?
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Talullahhound
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/22/2011 10:03:15 PM
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That someone could have a different view? Really?
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MrHodja
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/22/2011 10:06:26 PM (updated 11/22/2011 10:15:35 PM)
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Your view, yes. How can you so easily discount Romney's accomplishments in running an Olympics? Gingrich's balancing the budget and creating surpluses in a bipartisan environment? Cain's business accomplishments? Even waaaay back in the pack Gary Johnson who ran New Mexico with balanced budgets?
The point to be made is that Obama did NOTHING even approaching those just cited before he was elected and has done EVEN LESS since elected...and in fact has overseen a free fall in our economy.
You need to get a grip on reality.
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Talullahhound
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11/22/2011 10:25:54 PM
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Running the Olympics? You've got to be kidding me.
Newt -- you mean the one that was run out of his position as Speaker on ethics violations? And runs up bills at Tiffanys that get turned over to collectors? You want to hand him the US budget? Really? Remember Les Aspin as SecDef and how well that worked? That would be Newt as President.
Cain -- You mean the one who was left sucking air when asked about Libya. And couldn't articulate why he thought Obama was wrong about Libya? And Godfather's pizza is hardly Dominos or even Pizza Hut. It's a second rate company. I wonder if much of his "successful" business career hasn't been because he was the beneficiary of companies pushing EEO policies. He certainly doesn't strike me as a brilliant businessman. His 9-9-9 plan has been disproved, and will certainly raise taxes for the middle class. His "economic" advisor is his accountant.
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Talullahhound
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/22/2011 10:29:30 PM
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and the beginnings of the free fall of our economy started well before Obama. Can you spell Bush tax cuts and two 10 year wars? How about non regulation of the mortgage industry?
I'm not enamored with Obama, but he certainly no worse than the current field.
Oh yes, and Cain (and Bachman's) "God told me to run." Really? I wasn't aware God took such an interest in US political affairs.... or may he just has a really good sense of humor.
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MrHodja
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/22/2011 10:30:39 PM
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Without arguing your slanted view, just tell me what Obama had accomplished before he was elected that even approached any of those, in your opinion, non-accomplishments?
Again, what in Obama's pre-2008 resume approaches any of those deeds?
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MrHodja
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/22/2011 10:40:25 PM (updated 11/22/2011 10:42:57 PM)
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And he danm well ensured that the free fall continued unabated and even enhanced. Today he is blaming it all on Congress. What a freaking joke, and you think that is better than people who have actually accomplished something.
And who are you to question whether God did or didn't speak to those people? Are you so clairvoyant and omniscient to know what is in their minds? Wow.
Since I guess I am dealing with a far superior being I should just crawl back in my hole. You keep your community organizer messiah and I will keep something far more tangible. GFL.
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MartiniMan
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/23/2011 8:14:33 AM
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Hodja, you really have to give up trying to convert Hound. You have to understand her root defect is pride. For her to admit that any GOP candidate is better than the Messiah (something we see as blatantly obvious) would be to admit that her vote and all her defenses of his incompetence are wrong (something we also see as blatantly obvious). Her pride just won't let that happen. I just point out when she is wrong and don't worry about trying to convince her. To do otherwise is like a dog that beats its head against a wall because it feels good when they stop.
One thing I will agree with her is that none of the GOP candidates can fix the economy. Only the productive in our society that create jobs can fix the economy. What she does not understand and will never understand (because she has no idea what its like in the private sector) is that the GOP candidates are all smart enough to get government out of the way to let us do what we do best unlike Oblamer who is following in FDR's footsteps like the brain dead droll that he is.....
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Talullahhound
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Why do you feel the need
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11/23/2011 9:18:03 AM
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to be so sarcastic in the face of an opinion differing from your own?
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Talullahhound
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/23/2011 9:27:43 AM
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Well, God told me to come here and spread the political truth...
Seriously, I think God is a little higher minded than telling people they should run for political office. And I have a serious and deep faith in God. I believe he guides us, but I don't believe he tells us what to do.
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MartiniMan
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Why do you feel the need
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11/23/2011 10:55:39 AM
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Hound, its not really sarcasm. I truly think that your pride will never allow you to admit that a GOP candidate will be better than Obama.
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MartiniMan
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This post is a bunch of BS
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11/23/2011 11:01:11 AM
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Hound, I have already demonstrated to you in previous posts with facts that the cause of our current economic crisis was the federal government's distortion of the mortgage markets. You have to be a fool to believe otherwise.
Here's a simple test for you. Explain to me exactly how the current tax rates caused the economic collapse. How does the amount of revenue collected by the federal government during the Bush years collapse our economy? And if you are so dam worried about the cost of two wars during Bush that generated hundreds of billions in deficits, explain to us how you don't seem to give a flying flip about the trillions in debt caused by Obama and his failed porkulus package. You are so lacking in any common sense it boggles the mind.
Just answer my question Hound, how does a certain tax rate under Bush cause a recession? I can't wait for your answer.....
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Talullahhound
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Why do you feel the need
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11/23/2011 6:18:10 PM
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That is just ridiculous. IF I thought one of them was better, I would certainly say so. It's not a matter of pride at all. I've been wrong about a lot of things, and I have no problem saying so. But, I truly do not think anyone in the current field will make a superior leader.
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Talullahhound
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This post is a bunch of BS
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11/23/2011 6:28:59 PM
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If the Bush Tax Cuts were such a great idea, why isn't the economy booming? And if an unregulated mortgage industry was such a great idea, why was there such a huge bubble?
And where did the money come from for 2 wars? Money was spent that we didn't have. Raised the deficit. Yes, Obama added to it, but Bush was doing just fine on his own. If he had been eligible for another 4 years (not that he would have been voted in), he would have added just as prolifically as Obama has. But you will deny it.
You are unable to admit that anything that a Republican does is foolish.
And I don't care that you think my post is BS. I feel that way about most of yours.
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Talullahhound
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Allan West -- Well Said ...
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11/23/2011 6:31:10 PM
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NO, I would say that you are a bigot. Racist would be too limiting.
You don't even live on Lake Martin do you? Have you ever even been here?
Just another hater.
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Talullahhound
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And who asked you?
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11/23/2011 9:46:15 PM
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Your ignorance is showing again. In addition to being a bigot, you are also a sexist. What a fool you are. Why don't you go back under your rock?
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MartiniMan
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That't the best you can do?!?!?
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11/23/2011 9:56:53 PM
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i should have guessed you would punt on my challenging question and for only one reason.....you can't answer it because there is no correlation. Honestly, have you ever taken a economics course? Do you have an ounce of common sense? You espoused an opinion that Bush's tax cuts caused the economic collapse. i asked for proof and all you can come up with is
"if the Bush Tax Cuts were such a great idea, why isn't the economy booming?". Wow, that's really convincing evidence....not! Hellooo....there is no correlation except that reducing taxes stimulates economic growth. Has worked every time its tried but for those ignorant of history all i get is a blank stare and drool out of one side of the mouth..
And then the next piece of billiance, "And if an unregulated mortgage industry was such a great idea, why was there such a huge bubble?" First of all, there are very few industries more regulated than banking. But because you won't listen to reason i will explain it to you once again. You see back during the Clinton administration, HUD began a program to force lenders to make sub-prime loans (this is well documented if you don't believe me...check it out). in order to lay off this risk Democrats in Congress likewise pressured Fannie and Freddie to buy these sub-prime mortgages (also well documented). This is why Fannie/Freddie owns 75% of them and private mortgage lenders only hold the remaining 25%. This was exacerbated by the securitization of mortgages which pumped even more cash into Fannie/Freddie and private lenders to give them additional funds to lend to more uncreditworthy applicants (remember the ninja loans?). Sadly this program was carried on during the Bush administration although they tried to rein it in along with GOP members of Congress only to be thwarted by the likes of Bawney Fwank and Chris Dodd (i've seen the hearings and it was sickening to listen to them blow off their concerns). So here's where simple economics take over and please pay attention so i don't have to repeat this again for you. By adding all these sub-prime mortgages they increased demand dramatically as uncreditworthy individuals could suddenly get a mortgage and buy a home. increased demand caused home prices to rise to unsustainable levels. in addition, because home prices rose so dramatically people would borrow against the value of their homes increasing debt but also fueling consumer spending. When the economy slowed those uncreditworthy borrowers were the first ones unable to pay their mortgages. Foreclosures are up, home values go down and the rest is the inevitable outcome of the federal government distorting the markets. This is obviously a simplistic explanation but there are a number of very good books that go into more detail. i doubt you have the intellectual honesty to check them out just like you refuse to read The Forgotten Man.
And your next silliness, "And where did the money come from for 2 wars? Money was spent that we didn't have. Raised the deficit. Yes, Obama added to it, but Bush was doing just fine on his own. if he had been eligible for another 4 years (not that he would have been voted in), he would have added just as prolifically as Obama has. But you will deny it." Of course Bush added to the deficit with the wars and from my perspective it was worth every penny. Those islamofascist bastards killed 3,000 innocent people on 9/11 and they and every country that supported them or harbored them deserved to have their butts kicked. But Obama didn't just add to the deficit like his contribution was some kind of rounding error. He added more to the deficit in just over two years than Bush did in his 8 year presidency. Look it up because that's the numbers from Oblamer's own administration. if you think Bush would have done the same you are dreaming.....but you can't prove it and neither can i but i do have the intellect to deal with what we do know.
And your final statement is a laugher as well, "You are unable to admit that anything that a Republican does is foolish." You are just wrong about this. Here is just a short list of areas where i disagreed with Republicans and thought they were "foolish" which is a mild word. Prescription Drug Program, Amnesty for illegals, pork barrell spending, especially earmarks, compromises with Dems on judicial nominations (i.e., the infamous gang of six), globaloney for those that bought in, Sarbanes Oxley (for those that supported it), the first stimulus and so on. You see Hound, what you don't get is that i am a patriot first, conservative second and only support wishy washy GOP candidates when the alternative is much worse, like your most blessed and not responsible for anything Messiah. But Bush is responsible for everything that happened during his two terms according to you.
it ain't BS if its true. What is BS is refusing to listen to the truth.....and that defines you.
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MartiniMan
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Then you are sadly delusional
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11/23/2011 9:59:38 PM
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Every single one of them would be better than Oblamer. Are they the best that the GOP could offer? Definitely not, but the others aren't running so I choose to deal with reality? And the reality is that any one of them would be better than the guy you voted for and defend to the death.
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Talullahhound
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And who asked you ?
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11/24/2011 4:42:28 AM
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Part II. You can justify your ridiculous statements any way you wish, but it still doesn't make you right. You are one of those people who just love the sound of your own voice, droning on and on.....
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MartiniMan
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Ad hominum attacks are for the weak minded
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11/24/2011 10:22:45 AM
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Hound, face it. I am right and you are wrong. I base my beliefs on facts and reality and you base yours on.....gosh, who knows what....emotion?....wishful thinking?........ You made completely erroneous statements as if they were actually true and I shot them down with the truth. Is that droning on to listen to my own voice? Nope, cause I was typing them and not speaking them.
It's OK to bring another opinion as long as it has some shred of factual basis we can then have a reaspnable debate. I think something happened to your ability to think critically during all those years as a government worker. You might want to enroll in a course on logic at Auburn and try to recapture some of that ability.
Face it Hound, the Bush tax cuts had zero, zip, nada to do with the current economic mess. Neither did his two wars and their cost, otherwise you would have to blame your Messiah for making things worse with his much larger deficit spending for much less good. Speaking of which, CBO recently announced the porkulus created between 600K and 1.2M jobs for $850B spent which equals between $700K-$1.4M per job. Great idea from dear leader on how to piss away our hard earned money, eh? But I am sure you never heard that because it wasn't covered by pMSNBC or any of the government organs you seem to frequent to get your news.
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Talullahhound
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Do you Ever Edit yourself?
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11/24/2011 12:31:34 PM
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Honestly, have you ever made a post that was short and didn't have you beating your chest about you being right and someone else being wrong?
We agree to disagree. Period.
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Talullahhound
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Do you Ever Edit yourself?
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11/24/2011 12:31:35 PM
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Honestly, have you ever made a post that was short and didn't have you beating your chest about you being right and someone else being wrong?
We agree to disagree. Period.
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MartiniMan
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Huh?!?!?
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11/24/2011 2:37:33 PM
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I don't get the edit myself subject. Disagree/agree implies opinion but mine is based on facts. You are just wrong and can't bring yourself to admit it......how's that for brevity?
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MartiniMan
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Ad hominum attacks are for the weak minded
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11/24/2011 2:40:05 PM
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Ah Hound is OK. She just has a blind spot when it comes to her wasted vote for the Messiah. To admit he is the abject failure he is would be to admit her having been wrong in voting for him. Ain't gonna happen no matter how incompetent Oblamer is. I will just keep the truth coming and she will keep making stuff up and then refusing to back up her statements........
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