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MartiniMan
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My conundrum about Mr. Newt and Romney
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12/6/2011 8:46:09 AM
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As i have said over and over, 2012 is about ABO (Anybody but Obama) and consequently my primary vote is going to the candidate that i think has the best chance of defeating the Teleprompter in Chief. The country simply cannot take another four years of this guy. And i think Dems understand that there is significant energy out there to defeat Obama and so their strong desire should be that the GOP nominate another John McCain/Bob Dole type.
So here is what i am struggling with about Newt and i may be over thinking this.......what i hear constantly from Dems is that Newt is their wet dream come true and that if he is the GOP nominee Obama will win in a landslide. My conclusion - they fear him and are trying to convince the primary voters to shy away from Newt. in addition, like Cain he has already been the subject of a lot of Dem attacks and now we have Nancy Pelosi threatening to violate House rules and release "dirt" she claims to have on Newt. My conclusion - they fear him as the GOP nominee.
Finally, why is it that we see very little about Romney from the left despite the fact that he has been a perennial 20% and often mentioned as the eventual nominee. My conclusion - not only do they not fear him but he will be the perfect candidate for Obama to run against because they have abandoned the working white vote and will rely heavily on class envy which plays well against Romney. You would think in an election where the economy is the primary issue that they would fear Romney more but for some reason they don't send that message. Maybe they think the rich, white Mormon that passed Romneycare will be an easier road than being thoroughly crushed is debates with Newt.
Speaking of debates, i did hear a very interesting analysis about the issue of debates by Byron York that i tend to think makes sense. He thinks it is a mistake that so many Republicans are basing their decision on debate performance as if that will translate to the general election. Unlike the primaries, there will probably only be 3 or so debates and they will be carefully scripted and more than likely moderated by journos very favorable to Obama. The general will be more about retail politics which is advertising and campaign events. And there is no way in a million years Obama would ever go off teleprompter and participate in a Lincoln-Douglas style debate. He realizes that he would be crushed and he isn't that stupid.
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My conundrum about Mr. Newt and Romney
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12/6/2011 9:42:16 AM
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My personal choice at this date in time is also Romney. In reality, as you seem to state, there is not much other choice in the Republican Party. It causes one to wonder (similar to the last Presendential election) where is the quality candidate pool or does one simly not exist?
Speaking of saving the Nation, I just wish we could find a way to have a turn-over of most all the Democratic and Republican Congress persons. This seemingly "undoable action" would do more toward saving the Nation.
Lets just hope Romney or whoever our next President becomes is not one of those who wishes to save the World vs. simply keeping an eye on saving our Nation.
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water_watcher
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My conundrum about Mr. Newt and Romney
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12/6/2011 10:13:20 AM
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well said.
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GoneFishin
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My conundrum about Mr. Newt and Romney
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12/6/2011 11:30:45 AM
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It is sad that the GOP has no one they can offer who they can really rally around. It is more who is the lesser evil of the candidates. One can only look at Newt's wife and wonder how she, as first lady, could talk about high moral behavior to teenage girls.
Don't worry, the Dems will help select the candidate by following the Limbaugh Rule from the last election. That is, we will cross over for the Primary and vote. Shortly, I will join my Forum brothers as a card carrying Republican in order to lend my assistance in selecting your candidate. I think Bachman is cute and and am leaning toward voting for her in he Republican primary.
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Barneget
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My conundrum about Mr. Newt and Romney
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12/6/2011 11:44:12 AM
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Let me open by saying, for me, anybody but zer0. Ask yourself these simple questions -- which of the 2 are opposed to cap and trade? Which of the two are opposed to the individual mandate? Which of the two have demonstrated opposition to expanding government? And then, identify, and support, a candidate more worthy of your primary vote. In the end, if one of teese is all thats left, it is what it is. As of today, not a single primary vote has been cast for any one of them.
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MartiniMan
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What is sad
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12/6/2011 11:46:21 AM
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is that anyone of the entire cast of potential GOP nominees will be infinitely better than your only choice. What is even more sad is that even if I could think of a hundred Republicans that would be better than the current cast it only means that there are hundreds and possibly thousands of Republicans that would be a better President than Oblamer. That is what is truly sad.......
However, we do have to deal with the reality that the vast unwashed masses in the middle can be fooled into voting for someone as incompetent and incoherent as the Messiah (but who reads a purty teleprompter don't he?) so it behooves us adults to select the nominee best able to appeal to them. It's not ideal but as an adult you learn at some point that you have to do what is right.......left wing nuts don't have the burden of acting like an adult so they are exempt.
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MartiniMan
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My conundrum about Mr. Newt and Romney
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12/6/2011 11:48:36 AM
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Am I wrong that it doesn't seem like Dems fear Romney the way they seem to fear Cain or Newt? Hence, my conundrum......
And as a reminder I voted for Romney in the last primary.
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lotowner
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My conundrum about Mr. Newt and Romney
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12/6/2011 12:47:00 PM
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Dems are famous in Al for cross over voting to help select the opponent for the Dem Party in the General election. This strategy did absolutely impact the last Repub primary election for Governor and Sheriff in Morgan County. It worked in the Governor's primary but backfired in the race for Sheriff.
"YD" Democrats were everywhere voting Republican. Does this remind you of Chicago?
Do we no longer have a 2 party system?
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Barneget
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My conundrum about Mr. Newt and Romney
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12/6/2011 1:18:50 PM
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My point is based on political positions important to me, and it hurts to say this, I find it difficult to tell the two apart from zer0. In the primary, you support the person most closely aligned with your views. In the general, you support the necessary. We are neither bystanders nor strategists. We are electorally active. Talk up your choices at every appropriate opportunity, help people understand the commonality of the issues, and finally, remind them of the importance of their singular vote. You will be surprised with the number of follow up questions directed to you as different issues surface, and thse folks look at you as the expert. There is a lot of apathy toward the field, some earned, some misplaced. If we really want change at the top, then we must become change agents, pick a candidate, get excited about the potential, infect our family friends and associates with our excitement, and live by RR's 11th commandment.
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water_watcher
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Jellyfish
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12/6/2011 2:01:46 PM
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You are such a loser ... you act like a child in your posts. I am surprises that MM even responded to such childish gibberish from you.
Answer a question for once in your life ... I don't care if you support Obama ... but act like an adult and support why you do ... we have pointed out plenty as to why we don't ... so why not stand up and say why you do ... maybe we are missing something that you see.
Until you can act like an adult and have a mature debate on the issues ... personally I have no interest in responding to anything you say. And by the looks of your last to posts that you started ... no one else does either.
Must be pretty loney, and you are acting like a child that needs attention. Get help ...
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My conundrum about Mr. Newt and Romney
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12/6/2011 2:05:10 PM
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I do believe MM you are looking at it from the wrong perspective. I am a Republican, but I can also figure out which candidate from the opposing party I would rather see as President. Therefore, I am sure there are plenty of Democrats who can look at the Republican Party Candidates and admittedly say I would prefer to see this or that one as my President.
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4691
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My conundrum about Mr. Newt and Romney
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12/6/2011 2:17:08 PM
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I can't say other than repeat what I've heard said on Fox News recently which is that the majority of Democrat sponsored ads run in select states have been directed at Romney. Intuitively it would seem that between the two, Romney would be the most likely to attract independents and moderates. As for me personally, I can't get excited about either.
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Talullahhound
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My conundrum about Mr. Newt and Romney
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12/6/2011 2:48:02 PM
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According to David Axlerod, the Dems have been focusing their efforts on Rohmney because that is who they have assumed will likely be the candidate. If Newt carries the Iowa primary and wins other states, you will likely see a shift. But, keep in mind, Newt does not have a large amount of money to play with. Rohmney does. I expect that shortly we will see more of Rohmney on the airwaves.
I wonder what you all think about the Republican polls. Yes, Newt is leading in Iowa but only 33%. In fact, in all the general polls I've seen, No one has what I would call a strong lead. What does that say about the field? That Republicans themselves aren't enamored with any of the choices?
And I finally figured out one of the things that bothers me about Bachman. When she speaks She gets this wild look in her eye, but her voice stays monotone. Almost as though she has memorized her comments and is just repeating them verbatim. She really needs elocution lessons.
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MartiniMan
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My conundrum about Mr. Newt and Romney
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12/6/2011 3:18:05 PM
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I think the last 3 years have demonstrated that there is a significant difference between someone like Obama and any one of our less than perfect candidates. Would McCain have driven me crazy at times? Yes. Would we have Obamacare, porkulus, surrender in Iraq and Afghanistan, EPA run amuck, etc.? Would McCain have gone around the world bowing to two-bit dictators? Would McCain have informed the American people that they are racists, lazy, etc.? Not in a million years.
There is a difference between them even if it is not as much a difference as we would like or hope!
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Barneget
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The polls in December 2007
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12/6/2011 3:30:03 PM
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had Guiliani winning the nomination, and, 5 weeks before the general election, McCain winning the White House by 4%. Polls are interesting but it is the votes they count.
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Talullahhound
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The polls in December 2007
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12/6/2011 4:38:45 PM
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Well, obviously it is the votes that count. That's why I don't have much faith in polls -- numbers can be manipulated to show whatever you want.
But, it's always fun to watch the polls, and then watch the talking head explain them.
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MartiniMan
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My conundrum about Mr. Newt and Romney
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12/6/2011 5:16:55 PM
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Well that is definitely different than what I have sensed and I am a political junkie. Since I don't live in any of the early primary states I have not been exposed to the ads so maybe thats what I am missing.
As for the polls, Newt and the jumping around I think there are several things going on at the same time. First of all, as each of the candidates goes up and down Romney stays at around 20% plus or minus. So what I think you are really seeing is that a large percentage of Republicans are not sold on Romney and that when Bachmann loses her support it goes to Cain and not to Romney and when Cain stumbles his support goes to Newt and so on. So there is a lot of horse trading as one alternative gains traction and then stumbles for whatever reason.
Second, I think there have been way too many of these debates and each round seems to cause a groundswell change for some of the candidates (either good or bad) and that is mostly because the actual primaries are so far out that people are not really paying that close attention and just haven't made up their final minds on who they are going to support. So you are combining an undecided primary voter with the need to answer a question that maybe they aren't really ready to answer and you get volatility.
Just look at how quickly things changed for Hillary during the primary season, especially given her overwhelming numbers early on. It was really a matter of people being asked for a who well before they had really decided. She was for the most part the only game in town. I frankly think its too many debates and too much polling too early (before voters really need to decide) and as we get closer to the early primaries we should see less volatility. Time will tell.........
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Barneget
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My conundrum about Mr. Newt and Romney
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12/6/2011 6:25:40 PM
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Can't say what McCain would have done. It is easy for me to envision him signing porkulus, supporting Pigford, joining with Graham on Cap and Trade, EPA essentially on the same track as today, SCOTUS appointment appeasement. Bowing, apologizing, name calling, blaming, engaging in class warfare, applying enhanced interrogation techniques, not so much.
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Talullahhound
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My conundrum about Mr. Newt and Romney
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12/6/2011 7:47:56 PM
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It's hard to feel really strong about Romney. He always seems a bit milk-toast to me.
I guess at heart I'm sorry that Chris Christie didn't run.
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