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GoneFishin
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The Newest Democrat Senator
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12/20/2011 5:26:35 PM
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I remember when he was elected and how elated the wing nuts were. Now, he has seen the light, and is as Martini would say, a RINO..... BOSTON—U.S. Sen. Scott Brown is
escalating his criticism of House Republicans after the GOP-controlled
chamber rejected a Senate-approved bill designed to prevent a Social
Security payroll tax increase Jan. 1. The
Massachusetts Republican said Tuesday he was angry at the move and
accused House Republicans of playing politics with the nation's fragile
economy.
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Barneget
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The Newest Democrat Senator
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12/20/2011 5:37:10 PM
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No news there. Scott Brown, along with McCain, and the doublemint twins from Maine, were, since Arlen Spector was elected, and defeated, the least reliable R caucus members in the US Senate. There was a brief moment in time when he did exactly what he promised his constituents. Since then, ehh.
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water_watcher
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The Newest Democrat Senator
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12/20/2011 9:25:28 PM
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Jellyfish ... are you proud of the 2 month extension the dem senate passed ... that is really going to help the economy.
I am proud of the house ... they want at least a year extension and all Oblamer has to do is agree to the pipeline which creates 20,000 jobs and provides energy security with a strong friend.
So spineless ... what is the problem with that.
BTW ... where do you live ... what subdivision, what side of the lake?
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MartiniMan
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Well duh..........
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12/21/2011 1:36:15 PM
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I think if you go back and look at our earlier posts vis-a-vis Scott Brown we all knew going in he was a RINO. But lets face the reality....he is the Senator in a state that reelected Teddy Waterman Kennedy for 30 years after her murdered poor Mary Jo. The real question is whether he will continue to caucus with the GOP. If he does then it is less important as how he votes or what he says, particularly after November 2012 when we regain control of the Senate....assuming it happens of course.
If he does a Jim Jeffords he does a Jim Jeffords and he will be exposed for his hypocrisy. C'est la vie........
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MartiniMan
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And besides...
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12/21/2011 5:29:05 PM
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Our joy was three fold. First, a Republican took the seat of the pervert Teddy after decades of his putridness. Second, it forced Oblamer and the Demoncrats in the Senate to pass Obamacare without reconciliation and hence, no severability, so it can be completely vacated if any portion is struck down. Third, it eliminated the filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. All of these are still in effect which is always good for America.
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Talullahhound
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The Newest Democrat Senator
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12/21/2011 5:52:12 PM
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I think it is refreshing to see someone vote his conscience and maybe that he represents instead of blindly following the Tea Party agenda.
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Talullahhound
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The Newest Democrat Senator
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12/21/2011 7:32:41 PM
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I have no idea what you are talking about. I've never been asked to vote on legislation or represent constituents in the course of my job.
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Barneget
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TEA Party comment
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12/21/2011 8:49:48 PM
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Hound, your tea party reference indicates you are out of touch on this one. Trade/industry groups of accountants, software providers, attorneys, and business owners associations of all sizes came out in opposition to a 2 month cut, most because they could not get the payroll tax tables validated and distributed before the the new law expired. Among Senators voting against the bill were Sanders, Leahy, Corker, Shelby and Manchin. There is not 1 among that named group that has remote interest in TEA Party principles. Well, Manchin maybe the smallest remote interest. Your reference to conscience was clearly feelings over facts.
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Astro
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The Newest Democrat Senator
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12/21/2011 9:11:27 PM
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I find it interesting that you think it is refreshing that he votes his conscience and assume that others that support the tea party do not vote their conscience. Is it only refreshing when they vote the way you feel comfortable with? I agree that they all should vote their conscience but the irony is how you find some vote their conscience when others don't when you don't agree with them.
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Talullahhound
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The Newest Democrat Senator
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12/21/2011 9:42:54 PM
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My take on it is that the Tea Party members pushed Boehner to refuse the House vote.
I agree it is stupid to keep kicking the can down the road when they should just knuckle down and work it out; but, I would rather see a vote than to see people lose the payroll tax break and the other couple of issues (medicare and one other), which will hurt the already suffering middle class.
And yes, I do think that Tea Party members try to intimidate other Republican members who would vote the issue as they believe. Who says the Tea Party is right? Who says that they are the keepers of the Conservative values? They've certainly got Boehner by the short hairs.
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MartiniMan
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This is just wrong
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12/22/2011 9:44:25 AM
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Hound, you throw the term Tea Party around like it is some official organization that members of Congress belong to. They are all Republicans. What you seem to fail to grasp is that the members of Congress opposed to this 2-month expansion are actually voting their conscience!!! Because you disagree with what they stand for you try to distill it down to some nefarious plot which is utter nonsense. Those fiscally conservative members of the House that were elected to oppose this kind of stupidity and are doing exactly what they were elected to do. I am glad for it and if you had a fiscally conservative bone in your body you should too instead of prattering on about Scott Brown. If you want to give Scott Brown the same credit have at it, but you can't have it both ways just because someone is doing something to which you disagree. I can't stand the way people like Maxine Waters, Barney Frank or Chris Dodd vote but I assume they are voting their conscience since it is consistent with what they say.....I just think they have a deformed conscience and believe so much that just isn't true.
Honestly, sometimes you are so incoherent it is hard to comprehend.......
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Talullahhound
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This is just wrong
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12/22/2011 6:00:26 PM
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What is incoherent is that the Senate would pass a bill and the House Republicans would refuse to agree with it... but, wait, now they have... Must have decided to change their
consciences.
MM, surely you are smart enough to see that all of this is just a game for politicians.
The Tea Party has hijacked the Republican party into some kind of right wing lunacy. There are moderate Republicans, who are truly interested in working together with Democrats to do what is right for this country, but they have been lost in the endless game that the extreme right wing is playing. From what I have seen this year from Republicans, I have no faith that they know what is best for the country or can provide any better leadership than the Democrats.
And spineless -- you can't be much more spineless than John Boehner. All he does is pander to the Tea Party right wing. He provides no leadership what-so-ever. How he became Speaker is beyond me.
I don't agree with doing government two months as a time either. But that's the Congress we have. It's a game to them and they have lost sight of the fact that they are not there to play at politics, but to move this country forward. (Except of course the Tea Partiers, who want to move this country to the past)
So don't talk to me about voting one's conscience. In fact, it would be better if you gave me a break and don't talk to me at all. We will never agree.
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Astro
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Wrong according to whom?
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12/22/2011 7:02:58 PM
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I think that your response that the republicans should just work with the democrats to do what is best for the country shows that you think only the democrats know what is best. I think there has to be some compromise on certain issues but the financial condition of this country is not one of them. Which do you think would be worse, start to solve the problem now by cutting unnecessary spending or continuing to spend more than we have and continue to ask citizens to fork over more to the government. The former would be painful now but the latter will most certainly end our country in the future. All of the politicians in Washington should be considered crooks and everything they do should be closely watched by the people. Our government has gotten to big, arrogant, and to controlling of our freedoms. If you want to trade your freedoms for security then you will get what you don't want in the long run. I don't think you will every change any minds nor will anyone change your mind. The debate in this country will only get more heated and will boil over at some point then God help us all. If that seems doubtful to you only look to history for the answer.
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MrHodja
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"The Tea Party"
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12/22/2011 7:23:13 PM
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I get really tired of people villifying "the Tea Party".
I heard a radio interview today with Martha Roby, Congresswoman from SE Alabama. She defeated Rep Bobby Bright on a platform that you would probably term "Tea Party". I defy you to listen to a tape of that interview and tell me what she said was as illogical, reactionary, and radical as you would have us believe. I'd wager a beverage of your choice that it is the Tea Party that is truly looking out for the country and not themselves. THEY are the ones bucking the status quo in Washington which you say is so badly broken. They have shown the political courage to risk not being re-elected in order to stay true to the mandate that saw them elected.
So Hound, tell me what it is that you think is so wrong about the "Tea Party" and their efforts to right the ship of state. Have you been to a Tea Party rally? Are you aware that any news coverage from the mainstream media will be anti-Tea Party because they are so comfortably in bed with those in power whom yousay are so morally corrupt (my characterization of your positions)?
I just don't understnd your disdain for the only ones willing to put it all on the table to help our country.
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MartiniMan
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You make no sense
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12/22/2011 8:13:02 PM
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Just because you disagree with them doesn't mean they are any less or more principaled than the left wing nuts that control the Senate. The Tea Party stands for fiscal sanity and I am glad for those that agree with them. Given you voted for the Teleprompter in Chief it is no wonder you oppose them but for that vote you have zero credibility.
And once again you state you are opposed to a 2-month extension but you are taking those in the House also opposed to it to task. That is incoherent.
The GOP in the House are doing exactly what they were sent there to do. Get used to it because in November the GOP will also control the Senate. And that is when America will begin the healing process.
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Talullahhound
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You make no sense
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12/22/2011 8:38:43 PM
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I wish I believed that they believe in "fiscal sanity". Whose fiscal sanity?
And why can't it be expected that Republicans and Democrats would work together? Isn't that what they are supposed to do? No one gets everything they want -- there has to be a balance. I don't think either party has the monopoly on right answers. yes, we need to deal with the deficit and reduce spending. But, we can't just cut programs nilly willy without thinking about what it will do to the people who need them. yes, it ticks off all of us that there are abuses in the system, but you don't deal with them by just running in and doing away with all social programs.
No, I have never attended a Tea Party rally. Why would I? I don't vilify or particularly distain the TP, but I look at their leadership and those that are elected who claim to embrace them and I am unimpressed. So they claim they want fical accountability. But, that's not it. They really want to try to go backward, not forward. But its a different world. They want a "Constitutional" government? Most of the members of the TP really don't understand the Constitution as a frame work document. They want to attribute certain beliefs to the Founding Fathers that aren't there. In fact, someone who claims TP membership tried to convince me that we should "adhere to the Declaration of Independence"...
My feeling is that you don't turn a ship the size of the USG sharply. You know those wakes your pontoon boat creates? Well, imagine the wake of a ship the size of the US, if it was suddenly yanked to the right. People are going to go overboard. In this case, it will be the working poor and the Middle class.
No one is saying that changes don't need to be made. Of course they do. But, I still maintain that even if a Republican was elected and installed in office tomorrow, a year from now, things won't be any better. Even with a Republican President and a Republican majority in both houses. It will take years for this country to recover. It's not a matter of politics and having the "right" party in there. In fact, a good portion of the mess we're in has its foundations in 8 years of a Republican Administration. Not all, but some. It's been in the making for years. No one party is to blame.
One of my biggest concerns is that we will end up with a country of "haves" and "have nots". Throughout history, that is the recipe for social and political revolution. We all think it couldn't happen here, but it could. I think the potential consequences are horrific.
Now you all can go ahead and demean what I say, and point out the errors, in your mind, of my thinking. But, I'm reading stuff all over the place on all sides of the political spectrum and it worries the heck out of me.
You know MM, you and Newt have a lot in common. I hope you both stay away from sharp pins.
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4691
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Your Tea Party opinion
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12/22/2011 9:32:19 PM
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Hound - for someone that has never been to a Tea Party rally you certainly seem to consider yourself quite the expect on what they actually think and understand. The Tea Party is not a political party; it is a loosely organized grassroots movement made up of hundreds of local organizations. And how is it that you know that most of the Tea Party people don't understand the constitution. You can't judge millions of people based on a conversation with one or two. I've never heard any Tea Party people wanting to go backwards. Backwards to what exactly? Fiscal sanity? Most, like me, want to move forward with a country that is fiscally sound and strong. Your view of the Tea Party seems to be extracted from some liberal elitist publication more than from personal experience.
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Talullahhound
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Not an Expert
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12/23/2011 8:22:05 AM
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I don't see how you conclude from my remarks that I consider myself an "expert" on the Tea Party movement. I merely look at what is said by their "leadership" or those that proclaim to be the head of their caucus. And the "Tea Party" sanctioned representatives.
Your attack on me is just proves my point.
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4691
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Not an Expert
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12/23/2011 9:45:46 AM
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What point did my "attack" on you prove? You said "...Most of the members of the TP really don't understand the Constitution as a frame work document." I'm waiting for your answer how YOU know that MOST of the millions of people that supported the Tea Party do not understand the Constitution; at least the implied principles. Is it not possible for average, conservative working-class people to grasp such complex principles? Is it only possible for ivy league elitist to understand and "interpret" the Constitution from appointed positions on the bench?
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buzzbuster
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Not an Expert
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12/23/2011 11:24:02 AM
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I think we as a people need to go back on many things to improve this country as a whole. I'm not saying everything but many things would better off if the government kept their hands out of it instead of trying to run every aspect of our lives, as the real (President) Reagan said the government is not the solution but is the problem. The present occuppier of the white house tries to run everything, like the EPA, banking,auto and energy industries just to name a few. It's no wonder way their are not enough jobs, businesses are afraid to hire any kind of work force with the uncertainty of restrictions of whats to come.
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Talullahhound
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Not an Expert
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12/23/2011 12:09:19 PM
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I don't think government is the solution or the problem. There is just far too much special interest influences. It's now inherent in every process.
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