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architect
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For the Lake Martin Tea Party crowd
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3/9/2012 10:49:46 AM (updated 3/9/2012 11:02:48 AM)
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The bad news jusk keeps coming:
Today's BLS report
227,000 new jobs in Feb
Jan report of 243,000 new jobs revised up to 281,000
Dec report of 200,000 new jobs revised up to 223,000
New jobs since Thanksgiving... 3/4 million
New jobs in last two years...just under 4 million
Thankfully, there is a glimmer of hope and good news...government payrolls were down 6000 in Feb.
Looking more and more as if you guys hope of a right wing, theocratic, corporatist utopia is slipping away.
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| Name: |
4691
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For the Lake Martin Tea Party crowd
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3/9/2012 12:10:12 PM
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Well, I wouldn't call it good news just yet, but a move in the right direction --> government jobs down almost 0.1 percent. Cut the remaining 99.9 percent in half and the government would be almost right-sized.
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Jim Dandy
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For the Lake Martin Tea Party crowd
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3/9/2012 12:18:20 PM
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The U.S. government just notched its highest ever monthly deficit, with the red rink running to an estimated $229 billion in February.
Speaks for itself.
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water_watcher
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I think it is great
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3/9/2012 12:29:21 PM
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That 240,000 people were fortunate to find a job in the Oblamer economy. Now we onlt have another 13 million more to go that have been out of work due to his failed policy and unwillingness to more on programs that will create jobs much faster.
One new job created is one less family and individual that helps their family and builds confidence in their self worth and is off the government feeder.
The biggest difference is that we believe Oblamers policies have slowed and delayed the recovery from what it could have been, and DESTROYED more jobs that should have happened as he focused on a spending agenda that has not worked and put the country deep in debt that resulted in a credit downgrade. All because he wants to increase taxes that will slow the recovery further or put us back in recession ... while doing nothing to lower the debt.
You should be thanking the republicans for standing their ground on no tax increases as to why we are getting even this mild recovery.
15% unemployment is still way too high. Especially when a high percent of the jobs being created are low paying jobs.
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water_watcher
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sorry ...
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3/9/2012 12:49:11 PM
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227,000 were fortunate to escape the misery of the Oblamer failed economy.
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comrade
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For the Lake Martin Tea Party crowd
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3/9/2012 1:15:39 PM
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So, you consider this an affirmation of the benefits/success of socialist policy?
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roswellric
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Probably
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3/9/2012 5:05:41 PM (updated 3/9/2012 5:06:57 PM)
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Keynesian too...OOPS! Can I say that on the Forum?
Odd there is so much deficiency in economic understanding in this area when the Mises Institute of Austrian economic theory is almost in the neighborhood in Auburn. Government schools I guess...
BTW regarding government statistics? Is he kidding? Perhaps a simple primer on the subject will stimulate a little thinking.
URL: Employment & Unemployment
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Talullahhound
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For the Lake Martin Tea Party crowd
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3/9/2012 5:33:57 PM
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It's good news for the American people. Have a FB friend who has been out of work for 8 months and last week she got a job. She's quite happy. Instead of trying to toke this up to a "win" or "lose" for political parties, just be happy for those Americans who got jobs. Everything is not political. Some of it is personal -- personal to the people who were probably beginning to wonder if they would ever be employed again. It's not a joke.
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Barneget
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For the Lake Martin Tea Party crowd
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3/9/2012 5:59:24 PM
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It's personal for the employers that lost good people due to the sustained stench of this administrations fiscal and social engineering policies. Not necessarily the big banks and "green" beneficiaries of taxpayer funded grants, favorable legislation or bailout monies, but the smaller companies facing shrinking markets because worthy people can't find work, or struggle putting food on the table due to the doubling of gas prices, or rising electric costs, or, employers dropping healthcare plans, or rising costs associated with personal healthcare plans, and higher bank fees, and retailers forced to pay higher swipe fees, or the food inflation tied to the sustainable mandates, or the many many companies reluctant to hire due to uncertainty associated with obamacare, and the DoL mandates for "community representation", and the NLRBs position on "card check" and union avoidance training. it is personal alright.
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Mack
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Architect??
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3/9/2012 7:07:46 PM
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Hope you are happy with your catch from the bait you put out.
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Talullahhound
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For the Lake Martin Tea Party crowd
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3/9/2012 8:10:41 PM
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It would not surprise me at all if a lot of small businesses never hired people back. They've probably learned how to do the "more with less". A lot of them found out that they can impose longer work hours and heavier workloads on their employees and they will shoulder it and get the job done.
I know you like to blame it all on Obama, but the economy was going south before he took office. The Fed and economists have all been saying that it would be a slow recovery, and that's what is happening. I know it makes for lovely politics to blame the Administration, but I don't buy it. Just the convergence of a lot of bad policies going back years, a bit of every Administration sticking it's head in the sand and not paying attention.
And after listening to Rick Santorum and seeing what is happening around the country regarding women's health issues backed by Republican administrations, I don't think conservatives have any right to talk about Obama's "social engineering". I suspect that if Rick Santorum got into the WH, we'd see social engineering that would set this country back decades.
And Obamacare? At least it is something. Bush ignored it for the whole of his Administration. I always go back to the point that before the economy crashed, people thought it was one of the biggest problems facing the country. Our health care premiums were going out of sight because we are paying for those without insurance. I seem to recall that Small Business owners were screaming about that -- and many of them dropped coverage of their employees. It had nothing to do with Obamacare at the time, because Obamacare didn't exist.
Business will always whine about something. I've been listening to it for years. If they got out from under USG laws and regulations, then they will whine that they are being priced out of the foreign markets becasue the USG isn't subsidizing their business or they are having to deal with offsets.
I gather that you are a small business owner. I assume you are making a profit because you are still in business. I also assume that when you stop making a profit, you will stop owning businesses.
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comrade
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For the Lake Martin Tea Party crowd
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3/9/2012 8:41:15 PM
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So what is the unemployment rate now?
And what was it Jan 2009?
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au67
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For the Lake Martin Tea Party crowd
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3/9/2012 8:49:12 PM
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Please give us a break!!! You incessantly blame current problems on past administrations. We're over three years into the Obama administration. When does he assume responsibility??
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water_watcher
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For the Lake Martin Tea Party crowd
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3/9/2012 8:57:59 PM
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But just think if he partnered with the GOP when they took over the house and won seats in the senate .... one of two things would have happened and both would have been positive for Oblamer ... things would have gotten better faster and he would have been credited like Clinton was for his leadership and working to get things done. Or things would not have gotten better and he could say he tried it the GOP way since the american people voted them in to congress and it is not working. Instead he made polictical statements and stands and kept pushing his failed agenda.
I am very happy for those that find jobs ... it is still tough out there and have seen how it has destroyed families and their future and they feel hopeless. I do blame Obama since all he wanted to do is focus on his agenda, massive spending that did nothing to move the economy, give more handouts when people wanted jobs, forcing a socialist healthcare program, not addressing the deficit, fighting for more taxes to fund his agenda and try to create class warefare.
Yes he is to blame ... he had choices and he chose to make it political and not focus on what would create jobs and now after 3 years there is a "soft" recovery he want to be anoited king.
He is a piece of chit in my view and i hope millions of other people too, including those that lost their homes and their jobs as he focused on all the wrong things to boost his own ego.
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water_watcher
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For the Lake Martin Tea Party crowd
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3/9/2012 9:00:48 PM
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good point 7.4 vs 8.3 now ... but most estimates say it is closer to 15% when you count those that are no longer being counted since they gave up looking and ran out of benefits.
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architect
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3/9/2012 9:48:17 PM
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Then...About 7.5% and going up per BLS
Now... About 8.3% and going down!!
What was it in Jan 2001?
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architect
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Architect??
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3/9/2012 9:52:20 PM
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I'm not a fisherman but it doesn't take much fishing expertise or exotic bait to bring in a pretty good mess with this bunch.
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architect
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For the Lake Martin Tea Party crowd
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3/9/2012 9:55:25 PM
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Please give me a break...how in he// does posting the facts released today blame anybody for anything???
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Barneget
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It's a crying shame
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3/9/2012 10:01:07 PM
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that as you worked for your MBA, you learned NOTHiNG about the private sector, and your career apparently limited your contact to business people that would sell out the nation. Business owners, micro, small, medium, and large want nothing more than to add people. Think human nature, growth, and accompanying profit. As for healthcare, the escalating costs were a concern. You keep saying it was the uninsured, yet, the acceleration ties directly to HiPPA, you know, the law that required group health insurers to waive the wait, add the psycho, rehab, and AiDS benefits. As for costs, 20 years ago, my employer paid 100% of single coverage, and family benefit on an HMO (US Healthcare) cost me $110/month. 19 years ago, my employer paid 100% of single, and family benefit cost me $246/ month. The following year, the rates went up, and i decided to assume more risk by shifting to a traditional major medical at $57/month. i won financially that year, and every year after. Today, carrying a individual major med family plan, with dental, 3 years younger than you, with college kids on it, a $750 deductible, $3500 stop loss, prescription, i pay , $630/month. Oblamacare costs, based on CBO estimates,nearly $1000/month PER person. You and people like you, see medical care as a right. Maybe you are right. BUT, it does not have to be at the same level, or in the same facilities, as people who have decided to make the monthly payment. Unless the situation is life threatening, let them wait in lines at the health department, or at a clinic. Until you are able to grasp that there is a fundamental difference, payees vs parasites, from where i sit, 3 rows back of the home dugout, you will always cat calling from the cheap seats.
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Talullahhound
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It's a crying shame
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3/9/2012 10:52:47 PM
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I have never said that everyone should have the same level of coverage. I do think BASIC health care is a right for the CITIZENS of this country. In my mind, basic is BASIC -- yearly exams, access to some level of emergency treatment for truly urgent issues. Basic innoculations for children, treatment of childhood diseases. I don't agree that everyone should get psych benefits, transplant benefits, advanced procedures, etc. I think people should get drug benefits for generic drugs, not boutique drugs.
I'm not in the "cheap seats". I'm a taxpayer and a property owner just like you. And I also pay for my healthcare. I'm lucky enough to be in a group plan. But it is still expensive. I've seen my benefits shrink and the costs go up just like everyone else.
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Talullahhound
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For the Lake Martin Tea Party crowd
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3/9/2012 10:55:32 PM
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If it is now "15%" because of the people who stopped looking for a job, it must have been higher then too. Because unemployment numbers have never counted people who stopped looking.
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Feb
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Architect??
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3/9/2012 11:45:10 PM
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As Cat would say; "Now thats some funny Chit right there."
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architect
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Architect??
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3/10/2012 12:15:50 AM
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My pleasure. As I've said...this forum rivals the Jokes forum for humor if not intellegence.
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comrade
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For the Lake Martin Tea Party crowd
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3/10/2012 12:19:35 AM
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You are the one who chose to trumpet the recent "success"
What does 2001 have to do with the current problem?
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architect
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3/10/2012 12:20:09 AM
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And you know, the stopped looking crowd includes and has always included the folks who stopped looking for reasons other than not being able to find a job. Some go back to school, some have a baby or decide to home school, some just retire, some win the lottery for heaven sake!
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comrade
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For the Lake Martin Tea Party crowd
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3/10/2012 12:24:03 AM
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And continue to accept food stamps........
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architect
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3/10/2012 12:24:49 AM
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Nothing. Neither does Jan 2009. Obama had only been office 10 days at the end of that month so it is hard to relate that month's figure to him in any way positive or negative.
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comrade
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3/10/2012 12:29:14 AM
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So it has increased during his reign, despite his promise it would fall once his initiatives were implemented.
Or do you have some more numbers to cite?
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architect
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3/10/2012 8:27:21 AM
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Yes it did go up just as it had been going up for many months in the laissez-faire administration of GWB, and then it turned around and for the last 24 months in a row the number of new jobs has gone up. There is no way to prove what might have happened had Obama not been elected (I'm sure you THINK you know, but you don't!). I don't know either and don't claim to. But, my thinking is that what has and is happening would be pretty much the same regardless of what Obama or Congress did because this is a free market economy and will naturally begin to recover when demand wills it. All this in spite of the banking melt down and housing collapse. Ain't free enterprise wonderful?
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3/10/2012 8:43:31 AM
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There have not been so many cronic unemployed .... that is ONLY because Oblamer stuck to his failed agenda.
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Did Bush lower unemployment in his first term after the tech bubble collapse that Clinton left and then 9/11?
Did Oblamer say that unemployment would not go over 8% as long as he get his $800 billion stimulus?
What did unemployment go to?
What is it 3 years later?
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architect
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Archie
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3/10/2012 10:01:37 AM (updated 3/10/2012 10:11:13 AM)
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1/ No. Unemployment under Bush even before the banking/housing crisis was on average higher than under Clinton even including the dotcom bubble. SO WHAT?
2/ No. He in fact did not say that. His economic team expressed the fear, long before anyone knew the extent of the crisis, that it could to 8,5% if there was not stimulus. Both Obama and McCain campaigned advocating monetary stimulus. SO WHAT?
3/ 10.1% top out (.7% less than under the sainted Ronald Reagan). SO WHAT?
4/ 8.3% and headed in the right direction. SO WHAT!!!!!
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water_watcher
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Archie
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3/10/2012 10:33:18 AM
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Oblamer has added $5 tillion to the deficit since taking office and current spending is running at double what the government is taking in ... that is before the disaster of Obamacare .... yet he is calling for even higher spending.
His first failed stimulus said unemployment would be at 6% right now and never go above 8%.
So maybe you can answer my other post ... what policies does Oblamer not want us to return to?
His latest stimulus call is for more of what failed before ... "green job" training .... give me a F-ing great. If it was going to work the private sector would do it .... or if you need to do something do tax breaks and then see if the private sector bites.
OBLAMER is a failure no matter how you slice it .... there is not one economic policy he can say has worked. and has added more debt that all previous presidents combined.
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CAT BOAT
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3/10/2012 10:47:26 AM
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I was indeed thinking the same thing.
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au67
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3/10/2012 12:42:00 PM
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Read (or reread) Hound's post.
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comrade
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It's a crying shame
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3/10/2012 8:29:46 PM
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All of your requirements are available today, either by requirement of law, (emergency care treatment,) or through goverrnment subsidized initiatives. So do you still see a need for Obamacare?
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