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MrHodja
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Hey Hound
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3/20/2012 9:32:32 PM
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Romney wins Illinois. Just listened to victory speech. Not ONE word on social engineering or anything of the sort. Just the real issues that define the difference between logic, reason, and on the other hand, Obama.
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Quick intrusion before work
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3/21/2012 7:43:42 AM (updated 3/21/2012 7:44:26 AM)
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Yeah, but what would he have said in his victory speech if he had won "Alabamer"?...Ther lies the crux of his problems!
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comrade
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Quick intrusion before work
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3/21/2012 7:58:17 AM
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As Obama says - "you don't bring a knife to a gun fight"......I would think a dem would appreciate relativism - you just say whatever it takes to get elected, right?
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Hey Hound
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3/21/2012 8:47:49 AM
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Didn't listen to his speech. It's good that he is focused on the real issues. I think when he gets off message he is getting bad advice from his advisors. I'd like to see the Republican nominee and Obama debate the real issues. I'm still hearing a buzz that Republican conservatives want to trot out another nominee at the convention that is more appealing to the right. Personally, I would like to see Romney shut down Santorum. Newt and Paul are already dead, they just don't seem to know it.
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It would be interesting to count the states that Romney has won that have typically gone blue in general elections in the past. Same ol Repubs, nominate a candidate that can't win a general election, ala Dole, McLame and now Romney.
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GoneFishin
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Here Is The Truth
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3/21/2012 12:02:42 PM
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Romney's Etch A Sketch Primary Campaign
By DAVID A. GRAHAM
MAR 21 2012, 11:19 AM ET
A top adviser says the GOP front-runner won't have to stick to conservative positions he adopted during the nomination race.
Mitt Romney is often chided for his verbal miscues, but Wednesday morning, it was Romney senior adviser Eric Fehrnstrom who put his foot squarely in his own mouth. On CNN, comedian John Fugelsang (of all people) asked whether Fehnstrom was concerned that the primary campaign had forced Romney to move to the right in ways that might hurt him in the general election. Here's Fehnstrom's unintentionally revealing answer:
Well, I think you hit a reset button for the fall campaign. Everything changes. It's almost like an Etch A Sketch. You can kind of shake it up and restart all over again.
As is so often the case with gaffes, the problem is that Fehrnstrom confirms everything that Romney's skeptics believe: that he's a political opportunist, a squishy moderate, and willing to say anything to get elected. This isn't even a flip-flop -- Fehnstrom says plainly that Romney doesn't have to stick to his primary positions. The statement also fits with the complaints of many Tea Party voters about the GOP establishment. They complain that Republican candidates have run on platforms of fiscal responsibility and true conservatism, only to abandon those principles once in office.
It's an open secret that every nominee from the two major parties moves to the center every election year. Fehrnstrom's mistake is speaking that open secret aloud. Republicans may not be surprised, but what voter likes to hear her candidate's adviser state so clearly that she's being duped?
Fehrnstrom, who was last spotted elegantly speaking about the lack of a "deus ex machina" Tuesday night, occasionally gets too clever by half. In August 2011, he accidentally revealed himself as the man behind a fake Twitter account mocking Alan Khazei, a rival of Sen. Scott Brown, another of Fehrnstrom's clients.
As for Romney, he can at least be thankful that the comment comes at the same time that his nomination is starting to look inevitable.
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Go far right to win?
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3/21/2012 12:08:25 PM
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Please explain why a far-right social conservative republican would get more votes than a moderate republican in the general election? Will social conservatives, being unhappy with the republican nominee, decide it's better to vote for Obama? Alabama will not go to Obama in the general election. Electing someone to be a fiscal conservative is much more important than electing a social conservative at this time.
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OMG!!!!
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3/21/2012 3:00:01 PM
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Obama Must Go !!!!!!!
I care very little about the candidates social positions, unless those positions call for sustained taxpayer subsidy. We need someone, anyone, that unlike the current occupant of the White House, is able to distinguish his a $$ from the proverbial hole in the ground. Romney, Newt, Dr Kookooopants, anyone of them.
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Here Is The Truth
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3/21/2012 4:28:16 PM
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Very timely comments by the Romney confidant. At last we know the campaign strategy. And amen...often a person never speaks more truth than when they screw up. This guy hit a grand slam!!
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Talullahhound
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Etch a Sketch
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3/21/2012 7:33:31 PM
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I found it interesting that the "Etch a sketch" comment was no more out of the guy's mouth, and there were Santorum and Newt with Etch a sketchs and someone was handing them out at a Romney rally.
I always note how uncomfortable Romney looks. It may be that he is really an introvert and just does not like being in crowds. Or it could be that he is mouthing platitudes he really doesn't personally embrace. I just wish he would relax and be himself. I know he must want badly to be President and he's probably being given a lot of advice from his advisors and party advisors. But, I think it would be much better for him if he could just relax and be who he is. If his ideas are good, he'll get elected.
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GoneFishin
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Etch a Sketch
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3/21/2012 8:16:39 PM
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"It may be that he is really an introvert and just does not like being in crowds." Reminds me of Nixon.
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Etch a Sketch
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3/21/2012 8:51:45 PM
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I don't know if it's that bad. Nixon was paranoid and an introvert.
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Etch a Sketch
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3/22/2012 7:31:07 AM
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I'm just thankful that Romny is actually not what he so often (and so poorly) tries to be to the current nutty "base" of the Republican electorate. After all, he might get elected! It will probably be without my vote, but he is so superior to Sanctimonious Rick and the mudpuppy! I have never been one of those to support the "weaker" of opposition candidates...it hasn't been that many years ago that such a strategy by Georgia Republicans gave us the Honorable Governor Lester Maddox!!
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Etch a Sketch
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3/22/2012 10:38:55 AM
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Republicans put in Lester Maddox? What are you smoking?
Lester Maddox was elected by the Georgia legislature. The opposing candidate to Maddox in the general was Bo Callaway, a formidable candidate that actually got the more votes that Maddox who finished second.
The problem was caused by a Progressive Democrat -Ellis Arnall - who was opponent to the Democrat Maddox in the primary. When defeated by Maddox, Arnall ran a write-in campaign in the general election. The result was no one got a majority of the votes. That threw it into the legislature to determine the winner from the top two vote getters.
The Democrat populated legislature went against the voters wishes who gave more votes to Calloway and elected Maddox instead. Bottom line? A Progressive Democrat caused the problem after he lost then the Democrats in the legislature gave the election to Maddox who got less votes than Callaway. Bottom Line #2 The Democrats pooped in their own hat.
As a final note here's Maddox's record as governor:
Accomplishments in office- Salary increases (in dollars) during four years as governor were more than for the two previous administrations combined.
- Percentage of salary increase for elementary and secondary teachers was a record breaker that was not reached again until seventeen years later.
- In higher education, the State Board of Regents received the highest budget increase of the latter half of the 20th century; and has been reported as likely the largest percentage increase for higher education of any state during the four fiscal years of the Maddox approved state budget appropriations.
- Dollars gained for new and expanded industry (during the Maddox Administration) equaled that of the seven previous three year terms from 1947 through 1966.
- According to a letter written by Maddox in 1999, Maddox "left the Office of Governor with a favorable poll rating of above 84% and won the Office of Lieutenant Governor in a landslide vote of over 73%, which remains the greatest percentage of votes for any governor or lieutenant governor against a Republican opponent in a Georgia General Election".[4]
- Maddox was favorably influenced by Murray M. Silver, Esq., General Counsel of the Georgia Department of Labor, and Commissioner Sam Caldwell to hire blacks and to approve legislation affecting unemployment insurance of automobile workers within the state.[13]
- He integrated the lines of farmer's markets throughout the state.[14]
URL: Ellis Arnall
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rude evin
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Etch a Sketch
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3/22/2012 10:49:07 AM
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Dang..............facts are so inconvenient..............!
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roswellric
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Etch a Sketch
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3/22/2012 11:17:39 AM (updated 3/22/2012 11:18:21 AM)
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Funny lots of folks took shots at Maddox - and he was a clown - But he was a sincere guy that goverened moderately for the most part and had a good record. Was it him alone? No but the state surely prospered under his administration. He made great fried chicken too!
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Maddox
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3/22/2012 11:36:45 AM
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He could ride a bike sitting backwards on the handlebars.
You ever eat at the Pickrick? Lester would get on the microphone to give his comments about the news. Remember when they tried to integrate the restaurant and he handed out axe handles that were called Pickrick Sticks. His supporters gathered in front of his restaurant with the Pickrick Sticks.
http://www.reportingforhire.com/2007/08/lester-maddox-riding-bicycle-backwards.html
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roswellric
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Maddox
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3/22/2012 2:37:20 PM (updated 3/22/2012 2:47:43 PM)
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I didn't eat at the original one although I heard it was great.I did eat at the one in Sandy Springs after he left office. Best fried chicken around. He was always there greeting the guests and if you were lucky he would play the piano for you while you ate.
The restaurant's name came from a combination of two words. Pick means to select (presumeably the best), Rick means to heap up or pile up (the food). Hence the restaurant's name "Pickrick.
The pick handles in the store were intended to be used as souveneers not weapons. I think the slogan was on the handles and Lester would autograph them. But you are correct he did pass them out to employees to defend against a demonstration that threatened to go violent. The press erroneously referred to them as "ax handles" in the write-up and the name stuck.
Lester made for some great stories and lore.. some of it correct ...some not.
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Gotta love Southern politicians. They used to be the stuff of legend (on both political parties) -- the current crop pales -- they'll pass from office and no one will even remember their names.
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Indeed the facts are often inconvenient!!
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3/22/2012 3:52:11 PM (updated 3/22/2012 3:58:55 PM)
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The Republican Party of Ga at that time selected candidates by convention an Bo was already selected. The GOP quietly urged party members and supporters to go and vote for Maddox in the open Democratic Primary against ellis Arnall and several others because he (Maddox) would be "easiest" for Bo Callaway to beat. At the time I was a new architectural graduate and working for a firm in which one of the principal was a member of the Republican state committee and was one of the few members who spoke up and told them the were crazy to try to influence the primary and put Maddox in as the Democratic candidate. They didn't listen and Maddox was nominated in a close vote.
In the General election Arnall received a few thousand write-in votes and Calloway received the plurality of votes with Maddox a few thousand votes behind. With all candidates lacking a majority the decision was left to the legislature to choose between the top two vote getters. The legislature being very conservative and overwhelmingly Democratic selected Maddox. Bottom line...a few foolish GOP voters most likely indirectly put Lester in the Governor's chair. That is not my assessment but the opinion of several political wonks and polling people, including several Republicans, at the time and on occasion since.
Maddox was not nearly as bad as many, me included, expected; but any good he might have done will never outweigh the bad he did. The two most inexcusable being his reaction to the murder of Martin Luther King. On being asked about MLK's death Maddox said "Well I don't even like to hear of a dog being shot." and on the day of the funeral he lined the capitol square with National Guardsmen and State Patrol with loaded arms with the instructions to "Stack'em up like cord wood if they start toward the building."...Glad you are a fan of Maddox!
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Pick-Rick
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3/22/2012 4:15:26 PM (updated 3/22/2012 4:16:46 PM)
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I forgot to mention.
As a student at Ga. Tech in the 60's I ate at Lester's place many times. The food was indeed excellent.
Maddox defied the 64 Public Accomodations Law by refusing to serve blacks. Charlie Lebedin who owned Leb's downtown also initially defied the law as did the owner of The Heart of Atlanta Hotel...they both finally came around..but not Lester. The Justice Dept finally brought suit against Maddox. Maddox made the stupid claim that he did not have to follow the law because he wasn't dealing in interstate commerce. My roommate from Nashville, who also often ate at Pick Rick, was interviewed by the FBI...so much for the "no interstate commerce" defense.
Maddox eventually closed his restaurant rather than serve blacks and of course made a big stink about being put out of business by the "liberal social engineers". Not long after, in a huge display of hypocrisy, he opened a new place which did serve all comers!
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3/22/2012 9:54:34 PM
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miss the obvious. As much as you would like to pin the election of Maddox on crossover voters it just isn't so. Yes that happened and they set the Democrats up but if:
1 Arnall hadn't run Callaway would have been governor and/or:
2. If the Democratic legislature had done the right thing and voted in the candidate that got the most votes Callaway would have been governor.
Your argument is vain. You don't seem to like either outcome; Callaway as governor or Maddox as governor. Are you still pining away for the Progressive Arnall?
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roswellric
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3/22/2012 9:58:41 PM (updated 3/22/2012 10:17:35 PM)
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3/22/2012 11:22:07 PM
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Hey, I was at the meeting at the old Georgian Terrace Hotel where an effort was made to draft Arnall into an organized write-in campaign. He refused to be a part of the effort and in fact urged the crowd by phone to not go forward with a write-in effort. Dr Martin Luther King Sr. was at the meeting, and to the shock of most of the several hundred people there, urged an attempt to draft his personal friend Sen Herman Talmadge as a write-in. The Senator was called and also refused to cooperate. After about three hours the meeting broke up with no decision on whether to endorse a writ-in. Yes, several thousand people did write-in Arnall, a few wrote-in Jimmy Carter (He had also been on the Primary ballot and would win 4 years later). Arnall never urged anyone to write-in his name. Yes, I had voted for Arnall in the Primary and Primary runoff, but I held my nose and voted for Calloway in the General.
No, the Republicans did not elect Maddox, the Ga legislature did, but a few foolish Republicans probably did give him the slight boost he needed to become one of the choices before the legislature in the first place. And yes, the facts are sometime inconvenient.
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3/22/2012 11:22:29 PM
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Georgia's lack of party registration and the absence of a Republican primary hurt Arnall the most. With Callaway unopposed, some 75,000 to 100,000 Republicans were able to vote in the Democratic primary for the supposedly weaker candidate, Maddox. The Republicans figured that Callaway would have a better chance beating Maddox. The fact that Arnell ran as write in after losing the primary caused the selection to end of in the Ga House. The selection of Maddox by a Democratic Assembly was not surprising. Another interesting fact is that Jimmy Carter came in 3rd in the Dem primary.
Ric, if a third party candidate were to run and no one received the required electoral votes in the 2012 election the selection would
be made by Congress. If Obama received the majority votes would you expect the Tea Party members to vote for Obama based on his winning the popular vote. We both know the answer is NO and no different from the 86 election in Georgia with Maddox.
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3/22/2012 11:34:03 PM (updated 3/22/2012 11:36:16 PM)
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Hey GF, I wish it was the '86 Ga election...it was actually the 1966 election, while I was a junior at The North Avenue Trade School. What was your situation at the time? Great point and question about the Tea Party folks supporting Obama. Anxious to see how our friend handles it. I'll bet he will bemoan the fact that even though Gore received over half a million votes more than Bush in 2000, those Presidental Electors still voted for Bush even though constitutionally they were no bound to do so.
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3/23/2012 12:12:32 AM (updated 3/23/2012 12:20:18 AM)
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Archie, I stand corrected....1966 thanks. I was a yankee living in Birmingham. However, before being transferred to Birmingham I lived in Atlanta and remember going downtown to see the action at Lebs on the corner and it was quite an education. Lebs was a great deli with the best pickles and corned beef sandwiches.
Here are the totals from the Ga Gov election. Note how close the General was. Calloway by 3,500 out of 970,000.
Primary
Arnall: 231,480 (29.38%)
Maddox: 185,672 (23.56%)
Carter: 164,562 (20.89%)
Gray: 152,973 (19.41%)
Byrd: 39,994 (5.08%)
Runoff
Maddox: 443,055 (54.29%)
Arnall: 373,004 (45.71%)
General Election
Callaway 453,665 46.53%
Maddox 450,626 46.22%
Arnall 69,025 7.08%
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3/23/2012 7:38:50 AM (updated 3/23/2012 7:48:30 AM)
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Thanks for the numbers and the memories GF. I too remember Lebs. They peacefully integrated eventually and continued to prosper until the 80's. I often lunched there while working for a firm in the equitable building. I got up the courage to have my first raw oyster at Lebs. A sign above the bar proclaimed "Eat fish,,,live longer, eat oysters...love longer!" It was a really "New York" kind of place.
PS: I think your numbers for the Primary (about 770,000) and the runoff (about 815,000) explain why it can be assumed that many Republicans went to the polls and voted for Maddox. I believe that was the only election to that time when more people voted in the primary runoff than in the first round. I think it is foolish for anyone not to hope for the better (or the least "bad") of all candidates from both parties end up in the final round.
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3/23/2012 10:27:47 AM
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Great point.
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