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water_watcher
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The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
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3/26/2012 7:45:08 PM
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Isn't that nice that they want to ignor the constitution and due process, and jump right to immediate prosecution.
This is a tragedy no matter how you slice it and should not have happened. But it is coming out that he was not the angel and great kid the media originally painted the picture. That does not mean this was justified.
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Talullahhound
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The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
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3/26/2012 8:40:41 PM
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I don't see how anything in article relates to Obama and any kind of "race baiting" on his part. I don't know if you actua
lly watch the news, or perhaps the area where you live isn't getting the same coverage, but the young man's parents have been on the national news, as well as many, many others who believe this crime to be racially motivated, particularly given the shooters comments on the 911 tapes. But, we can't really know what is in someone else's head or heart, unless they choose to share. BTW, all of the 911 tapes related to this case are on the web. There are about 35 minutes worth -- not just his call to 911, but also neighbors who called in while the situation was unfolding.
I doubt anything that Obama said or didn't say has influenced the rallies and other gatherings in Florida and across the country. Anyone who doesn't think that there must be a heartfelt issue in this country regarding the profiling of young back men must have been living in a hole for a long time. And you do realize that Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the leaders of the Black Caucus are as much engaged in this issue and specifically in the Martin case, as anyone. The young man's parents are speaking out and engaging national media outlets to keep this case on the national plate. Perhaps any of us would do the same if we felt that a family member, particularly a child, had been killed and nothing was being done about it.
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GoneFishin
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The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
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3/26/2012 10:12:57 PM
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The shooter may well have been attacked by the kid from behind. But, why did the shooter get out of his car with a gun? He was on neighborhood watch which are the eyes for the police. He called and reported the kid and was told not to leave the car. It is quite simple..kid would still be alive if Zimmerman had stayed in the car as instructed. Forget black white....Zimmerman murdered the kid. He will say in self defense cause kid was beating him up. Again, if Zimmerman had stayed in car no fight.
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Barneget
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My thoughts
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3/26/2012 10:38:13 PM
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This whole unfortunate story is loaded with "ifs", because not one of us knows the facts. We may not like what happened, but we know nothing about the circumstances that led to it. And here we are, sitting in judgement, ASSUMING it was race based, and therefore must be murder. Here are some facts. Saturday night, 3 non Caucasians invaded a Mississippi State men's dormitory, and shot a Caucasion to death in his room. Now, I understand the media is focused on this Florida thing, and Zimmermans race, and audiologist disputed utterances, but they manage to omit the races of the Miss State murderers and victim. That info is apparently only important in the Florida case because that is real news, unlike the Miss State story. Come to think of it, the other college student murdered Saturday night, on the edge of the Jackson State campus happened to be white, according to witnesses, shot in the back of the head as he headed to his dorm, by someone that happened to be non white. Again, the news media failed to mention the race of the victim or the murderer. Is there a pattern here? Or a trend? Or are these facts only important when Jesse, and Al, daddy barack, and the New Black Panthers are on the case? I won't say another word on this, just shake my head as the collective know nothings, including some posting their feelings on the subject here, continue to posture, preen, and threaten.
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Talullahhound
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The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
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3/26/2012 10:49:42 PM
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I didn't accuse you of anything. My point to you is that the protests and rallies were well underway before Obama even mentioned it. I was seeing Al Sharpton, the parents and various other people talking about this case long before Obama ever commented.
I don't see any parallel between this and the Cambridge case at all. Obama clearly expressed an opinion in that case and I think he lived to regret it.
Let's keep this in perspective. It's not a political issue, as much as you might want it to be.
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Talullahhound
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Tell me
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3/26/2012 11:03:34 PM
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So what is your point? There needs to be an investigation.
I don't see how you can lump the President of our country with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and the New Black Panthers. As I said before, let's not lose perspective.
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Barneget
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Tell me
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3/26/2012 11:26:32 PM
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That should be your advice to bho. There needs to be an investigation BEFORE the office of the President makes any statement other than the Justice Department will participate, or conduct its own...... He personalized it, he politicized it, and in the process, he tainted the results, regardless of the real truth. Now, if Zimmerman is charged, and convicted, some will never believe it was due to Zimmermans actions, but because the White House weighed in. If the story proves the shooter was in fact defending himself, and no charges are filed, it is because the racists hate obama. He stepped where he shouldn't have, occupying the role of community agitator, and as a result, placed us all in dangerous territory.
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Talullahhound
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Tell me
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3/27/2012 9:57:59 AM
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I don't think anything Obama has done or said will prejustice the outcome. Now I will agree that the media circus, and the continued appearances by the parents with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and a variety of other leaders of various organizations are creating a difficult situation for justice. Last night I saw the father speaking and Jesse Jackson was off his right shoulder. As I keep saying, this isn't about politics or about Obama. People need to keep perspective about what this case is really about.
BTW, I saw on this morning's news that they arrested the people that killed the student at Mississippi State.
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GoneFishin
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3/27/2012 12:25:43 PM (updated 3/27/2012 12:26:41 PM)
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GoneFishin
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The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
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3/27/2012 12:27:27 PM
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Hey HOBO, too bad you do not understand business. Some ventures succeed and some fail. While the VOLT may well be a failure, GM is doing quite well. You need to read the reports about GM before you post. Nothing Obama does or will do will be positive from your viewpoint. That is just a fact so what else is new? Doing any fishing?
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architect
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To Hound and GF (and me for that matter)
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3/27/2012 1:27:37 PM (updated 3/27/2012 1:28:37 PM)
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I'm sure you realize it...but with a few of the people on this forum you can apply the words of another one of their favorite people to hate, Barney Frank, who said to a nutcase at one of his open meetings."I have had more intellegent conversations with my dining table than I could ever have with you."
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Talullahhound
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To Hound and GF (and me for that matter)
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3/27/2012 6:52:05 PM
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A closed mind... is a terrible thing to waste. I read posts here so I don't have to watch or listen to conservative programs. I can just come here and read the latest rhetoric. It's easier to drink the kool aid than to actually think objectively.
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architect
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Who was it that said
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3/28/2012 9:12:17 PM (updated 3/28/2012 9:13:25 PM)
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something along the line of..."There is nothing more frightening than a man who absolutely knows what is right...there is nothing more hopeful than a man who is absolutely seeking to know what is right."?
We seem to have a lot more "knowers" than "seekers" on this forum!
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Talullahhound
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Who was it that said
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3/28/2012 11:23:09 PM
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I keep saying they all need to go to Washington.
But they'd having to learn which side of the Metro escalator to stand on.
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Talullahhound
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Why Thank you
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3/29/2012 8:43:51 AM
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I certainly appreciate you calling me a Stooge. Why do you feel the need to resort to personal attacks and name calling? Can't you do any better than that?
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Talullahhound
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Actually no
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3/29/2012 1:02:43 PM
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I probably disagree with GF and Architect as often as I agree with them. I realize that you would like to paint me as a flaming liberal, but I'm really much more middle of the road than that. I think that we need balance in government -- we need the liberals to keep of mindful of the needs of people, but we need Republicans to keep an eye on spending. I haven 't care much for the "moralizing" of the Republicans of late and if Obamacare is not the solution, I haven't heard a Republican solution that I think would solve the problem. I don't believe that there wil ever be "universal" health care, but I think a 90% solution would be a fair compromise. I don't think government belongs in social issues, but should keep to the planning and operating of our country (which neither side seems to be able to do) I do, however, think that some of the sacred cow social programs need to be restructed. Everything needs periodic review and tweaking or maybe out and out restructuring, and you can't just take things off the table.
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GoneFishin
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HEY HOBO
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3/29/2012 6:08:24 PM
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I wanna be Curly. He has more sense than a Potatoe Head from idaho.
Remember ABO Again Barack Obama 2012................
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GoneFishin
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HEY HOBO
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3/29/2012 10:17:01 PM
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The Right either offers Santorium who wants GOP to be God's Only People or Romney who is so out of touch with the average person. Would I like to see a budget? Yes, I would. But Paul had one passed today that will be defeated in the Senate. Why not sit down and quit grandstanding and try and come up with a budget?
Obamacare will be dismantled by the court and without the mandate you have no pre existing coverage. The Right has no solution to the health crisis other than to say tough luck if you are sick. I assume you have coverage from the miititary and could care less if anyone else has coverage.
Yes, I still say
ABO...Again Barack Obama 2012
Signed
Curly
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Barneget
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No Preexisting coverage
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3/29/2012 10:30:28 PM (updated 3/29/2012 10:32:21 PM)
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Well, that could be an incentive to buy health insurance. I buy auto and homeowners in anticipation of need, and my health. And the health of my family, is much more important than either my vehicles or my home. Why would anyone defer, or fail to make the necessary sacrifice? Your pre existing argument brings to mind that State Farm commercial featuring the guy with his car wrapped around the pole trying to buy insurance. Beyond that, persisting conditions have been covered under group plans, by law, since Newt was speaker. Yes, there is a waiting period, but beyond the wait, there was coverage. OMG 2012 (obama must go)
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GoneFishin
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No Preexisting coverage
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3/29/2012 11:21:21 PM
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It is nice that you can afford health insurance. Does your business write off the premium as a business expense/ Do you provide health insurance for your employees? Doesn't the pre ex coverage that you mention apply to group insurance? It is individual insurance that is really the issue.
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Barneget
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No Preexisting coverage
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3/30/2012 8:46:49 AM
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GF, opposition to zer0care is founded in the extreme power grab by the feds, all while doing nothing to solve the progressives identified components of the health care "crisis". It doesn't touch the core causes for escalating hc insurance rates. It limits access to care. It will expand compensation limits on medical professionals, it involves unseen unknowns in determining care, those same unseen unknowns are by law to determine whether you are too fat or too old or too mean for continued medical service. it allows those same unseen unknowns access to all of your financial and personal data, all while guaranteeing coverage to the uninsured at more than 6x the private sector cost. No, no business write off. No, no group plan for employees as annual surveys produce zero interest. Have 11 at 30+ hours, of whom 5 are doing post grad and buying through school, 2 covered on spouses city plan, 2 others covered on spouses private employer plan, and 2 that I assist with susbsidies. It is nice to be able to afford insurance, along with some niceties. Even private plans offer coverage for most pre existing after a waiting period. You must disclose during application process, and you may be rated. Depending on the severity, the condition may be excluded for an extended period. That is the nature of an insurance pool. Heck, my youngest is, according to my business insurer, a bad risk, and not allowed to approach a company vehicle, let alone operate one. If he does, they won't cover the risk. I am reading your post as advocating for the right to buy pre dated liability coverage after you run the red light and t bone a car. That is not insurance by any stretch of the definition.
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GoneFishin
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No Preexisting coverage
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3/30/2012 10:02:30 AM
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I assume by your reasoning medicare should be terminated and seniors should be on their own to purchase coverage. After all, medicare provides coverage for pre exisitng conditions at age 65 with no questions or increased rates but is single payer..
I keep reading about buying insurance across state lines. Any insurance company that wants to sell insurance in Alabama just needs to file a policy with the Insurance Department. The reason they don't is they don't want to set negotiate with the hospitals for discounts and set up a physician network. Just too expensive.
If we ever allow insurance to be sold across state lines, I suspect there will be federal employees overseeing it. Carriers would look for a state with the weakest insurance laws to file their policy. Then, when an Insured has a problem, their state insurance department would say sorry complain to the state where the policy is filed.
When Obamacare goes down in June, we can look to the GOP for some solution to the problems.
I sense most people carry auto liability insurance cause it is mandatory. Imagine that, the state is requiring I buy insurance to drive. They have a penalty if you don't...you can't drive. A mandate?????????
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comrade
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No Preexisting coverage
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3/30/2012 11:00:55 AM
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A mandate only if you drive. You may choose not to drive.
The government does not require the entire popylation to buy driving liability insurance whether they drive or not
See how that works?
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Barneget
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No Preexisting coverage
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3/30/2012 3:13:52 PM
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And with medicare, you don't take it, you don't pay the associated premium, you don't have coverage. Imagine that.
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GoneFishin
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Commie and Hobbie
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3/30/2012 3:23:49 PM
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Why a mandate? If you pay the penalty you are helping to pay for your free coverage should you be rushed to the emergency room. That is the logic behind Romneycare mandate. Now, you pay nothing and have free coverage at the ER. As long as you are willing to pay with higher premiums for those without coverage you are a Great American. So, looks like HOBO really does support the free coverage in the ER now available.
If you drive without insurance and get a caught a penalty....fine or jail or lawsuit. If you don't buy insurance with the mandate you pay a penalty. There are consequence with no auto or no insurance. But, that is all moot as the court will strike it down.
For the record, I love my entitlements.
ABO----Again Barack Obama 2012
Regards
Curly
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