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MrHodja
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4/2/2012 8:42:33 PM
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Read the article (if I can get the URL to come through) and tell me if you are the least bit concerned about Obama's disdain for the separation of powers in the US Government...and the fact that there is a reason for same, and that he is arguing against the foundation of our republic?
URL: Fox (yes Fox) article on Obama's belittling of the Supreme Court
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Zman
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4/2/2012 10:05:06 PM
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Concerned.
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Barneget
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4/2/2012 11:02:56 PM
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The statements and actions of this dictator in training are cause for great concern. It is interesting that a candidate presented as a constitional scholar appears to have no understanding of the US Constitution and the balance of powers. Rational people must commit to doing everything necessary to get out the vote and move this American tragedy as far from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as is geographically possible. Just looking at a map, that would place he and his in some village in Kenya.
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water_watcher
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4/3/2012 6:50:54 AM
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beyond concerned.
Put aside that his comments are unpresidential, it shows total disregard for our constitution, with separation of powers that has made us the greatest country in the world and has worked well for over 235 years ...
Sad that so many people are so out of touch that they do not see the danger this man is to our freedoms. If he had his way government would call all the shots. It would no longer be a government of the people and for the people.
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Talullahhound
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4/3/2012 8:40:28 AM
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Minimally concerned. Remarks are in appropriate but I'm also concerned about the prospect of the court making a determination along political lines rather than on the basis of law. I like my Supreme Court to be outside of politics.
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Astro
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4/3/2012 9:13:26 AM
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Would you consider it to be political if they rule against the law or that they went by the law if they uphold it. They take an oath to uphold the constitution but I think maybe both sides cannot put their politics aside. The selection process of judges are certainly political so what else should we expect. I also think that whether you consider it lawful or political reflects your own beliefs.
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MrHodja
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4/3/2012 9:58:03 AM
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The concern is with Obama's lack of respect for our system of governing and his tring to influence the outcome of the case before the Supreme Court. If I were one of the Supremes and hadn't made up my mind, garbage like Obama's would be more reason to throw the law out, as he obviously wants more than his contitutional third of the government
As to the Supremes themselves, they haven't shown irresponsibly wild partisanship like Obama. They don't have to worry about the next election, so they can rule on the law as they see it. The current makeup of the Court is about as 50/50 philosophically as one could hope for, making it more likely that the outcome will be based on the constitutionality of the law and not someone's agenda.
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Tall Cotton
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4/3/2012 11:49:11 AM
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Concerned, but also concerned that the individual justices decision appears to have been "pre-determined" rather than being open minded and judging the case on it's merits.
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MrHodja
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4/3/2012 11:56:03 AM
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I would really be surprised if they had not all done their homework well before the case came to oral arguments. It may well be that the tone of the questions belies the judge's real position. They may be on the fence and waiting for the oral arguments before making up their mind.
And ithe answer may be clear in their minds to the point that oral arguments, no matter how persuasive, would not change their vote.
Ya just never know.....
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Talullahhound
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4/3/2012 11:56:14 AM
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For me, it's not a tit for tat thing. I don't think Obama should have said what he said, but I would like the Supreme Court Justices to put aside their personal feelings, and political beliefs about the law and analyze it strictly in terms of law. I think it is possible to be that objective. Frankly, I'm tired of every issue being politicized.
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MrHodja
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4/3/2012 12:30:03 PM
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Seemsto me everyone BUT the Supremes themsles are making a big deal about politics. These folks aren't political hacks and document their decisions. Its like two people looking at a partially filled glass of water - one may say it is half full, the other half empty. Same glass, just different ways of looking at it.
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water_watcher
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4/3/2012 1:07:59 PM
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I hope they do ... then the law is struck down, as it should be.
We do not need the federal government mandating anything on us or the states.
The thing is ... a tax for a single payer system, while I would also be against, would be within the constitution, but not a requirement by law that you have to buy something and have no option. The car insurance thing does not hold water, because you do not have to drive and it is mandated state by state, not the federal government.
If the power was put in the states hands and they mandated it ... it would be legal. but the federal government can not mandate each state to do something or require individuals to purchase something.
That over steps the authority and the power granted in the constitution.
Goodbye Obamacare ... Thank GOD !!!
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water_watcher
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4/3/2012 1:12:19 PM
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what is there to be open minded about ... if you understand and believe in the constitution, Obamacare is illegal and should be struck down.
The only policial supremes seem to be the ones that would vote to allow the law to stand. They are over stepping their authority and the oath they took to uphold the constitution.
I know obama wants to make his own laws and throw out the constitution, but sorry, this is a country by and for the people. We do not want a dictator.
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Talullahhound
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4/3/2012 6:11:57 PM
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WW, I know you are a lawyer, but I don't think it is quite as simple as you think. If it was, there would be no reason to have it before the Supreme Court.
I'm sure the Supreme Court Justices and their clerks and other staff have been looking at this since it was passed. I don't know how it works with the Supreme Court, but before things go before Congress there are pre-consulations, documentation and white papers provided and the testimony is always submitted in writing beforehand. So I suspect that some kind of similar processes exist in the months leading up to the Supreme Court actually officially getting the case.
I think the discussion during the oral arguments left a lot of people thinking that this was going to be a political decision. I certainly hope not. We've got to step away from politicizing every single thing in this country. We need to get things decided and get things done, and behind us.
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krm1619
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4/3/2012 6:21:38 PM
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Tallula - I would certainly hope that the Supremes take a longer look at this law than the dems who passed it. It was passed in the middle of the night using every legislative trick known to man. It did not have strong bipartisan support and there was little discussion on it. I'm not saying whether its constitutional or not (probably not), but the point is.....this is just bad law. There is minority public support for it. That's usually a good indication that its bad and I hope proven unconstitutional.
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Talullahhound
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4/3/2012 7:10:47 PM
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Time will tell :-)
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copperline
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4/3/2012 8:20:31 PM
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I agree his comments were a gaffe..... un-Presidential, but am reminded of how many other times our Presidents have complained about the Court. I don't think his statements are influential to the Supreme Court, he's campaigning...at least he didn't mention using an Etch-a-Sketch if the law is struck down. I expect the Justices to do their duty as the highest jurists in the land and that they are pretty well immune to campaign sound bytes....
As far as their ruling goes, I think the constitutionality of the mandate to buy commercial insurance really is suspect and (of course) regret that the law had to be watered-down to try to get private insurance companies to step into the gap. If the current plan is undone, then where do we go from here? There aren't any other plans on the table to address the problem of national healthcare.
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water_watcher
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4/3/2012 8:50:15 PM
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who says we need a national plan?
We do need to address those that need coverage and can't get it. That should be easy.
We need to address those that want coverage and truely can not afford it and what they can afford.
We need to address illegals and others that choose not to carry insurance. What happens when they go to a hospital and do not have insurance. The IRS can size property if you do not pay taxes ... there needs to be penalties if you just choose not to have insurance.
All this needs to be handled state by state, and not mandates by the federal government.
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Barneget
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4/3/2012 8:56:52 PM (updated 4/3/2012 9:22:33 PM)
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Let's cut through all the stuff here. The health care "problem" for the un and underinsured was caused by the people now offering the fix for all. Single payer systems held up as examples during the "debates" are successes in the eyes of their governments, and profound failures in the eyes of their citizenry. I know, our socialists are much smarter than their socialists, so we probably have nothing to worry about. Creating a bad guy out of an entire industry is easy, and the democommieprogs are both patient and skilled in this. Nuclear, petroleum, family farms, health insurance, health providers, banks, traditional marriage, credit card companies, plastic bag manufacturers, 2 parent families, motor vehicle manufacturers, home made lunch for kids, coal fired powerplants, raw milk, charter schools ... and on and on, all because they insist on saving us from ourselves, and just happen to accumulate more power for themselves. Bring on the windmills, solar panels, chevy volts and unicorn farts. It is time we save ourselves from them.
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copperline
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4/3/2012 8:58:10 PM
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Are you saying that if a State mandated everyone to purchase private insurance it would be constitutional, but not if this was done on a Federal level? I don't understand that.
You're right, the car insurance analogy is flawed... but it's because if I don't have auto insurance and damage your property, I am still liable for the damages. You can sue me and perhaps get compensation. But if I go into an ER with no insurance, then ultimately you are going to pay my bill.
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MrHodja
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4/3/2012 9:07:53 PM
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Ah, a bit of levity...unicorn farts? LMAO!
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Barneget
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4/3/2012 9:19:29 PM
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Didn't think that unicorn would get past the dirty words list but it cleared.
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